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if his predecessors, who were so bad as to inspire Chavez to lead a coup against them, did it, then it's no big deal, right?
glad to know you think rule by decree is the right way for Latin American countries to go. it does seem to be working exceptionally well in such fine places as Colombia, Peru and Haiti, ain't it?
and why wasn't I on DU complaining the last time the power was granted to a different president in Venezuela? er, cause that was 1993, and DU was, well, only a twinkle in the eye of Skinner et al
I am an especially big fan of all the arguments that rule by decree is, in fact, democratic in some manner. Think of it this way, would you grant this power to the leaders of the oppostition in Venezuela? just because something is 'commonplace' doesn't make it democratic, right? I thought Chavez was going to do this a 'new' way, not the same old way. heck, this is a 'bolivarian' revolution, and Simon Bolivar wanted to be President for Life and declared himself a dictator, so maybe...
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cal04 |
Jun-25-07 02:44 AM |
#0 |
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I wonder how many here will condemn him for exploiting his troops for a photo op |
Dark |
Jun-25-07 02:52 AM |
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How is a socialist fatherland "fascistic?" |
David__77 |
Jun-25-07 02:54 AM |
#2 |
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The closer you come to either extreme, the more the extremes become one another. |
Dark |
Jun-25-07 03:13 AM |
#4 |
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I couldn't have said it better myself.... |
WCGreen |
Jun-25-07 04:01 AM |
#5 |
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Indeed, I think many of us had the same opinion of him, but I knew it wasn't going to end well... |
originalpckelly |
Jun-25-07 09:44 AM |
#21 |
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You "knew it wasn't going to end well"? "It" has "ended," has it? |
Peace Patriot |
Jun-25-07 11:09 AM |
#28 |
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Bravo!....n/t |
unkachuck |
Jun-25-07 08:59 PM |
#168 |
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So it doesn't matter that he's now democratically elected and the |
mhatrw |
Jun-25-07 12:54 PM |
#31 |
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I'm sorry, I forgot he went through the putsch reform program, he's a changed man. |
originalpckelly |
Jun-25-07 02:23 PM |
#62 |
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Let's have a look at that source you "looked up" on the coup attempt. |
Judi Lynn |
Jun-25-07 09:05 PM |
#169 |
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Exactly. It's not a straight line, but a circle. |
melody |
Jun-25-07 05:45 AM |
#11 |
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In Chavez's case, there really is "someone out there big and bad" who wants to get him. |
leveymg |
Jun-25-07 06:53 AM |
#13 |
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John Perkins (Economic Hitman) speculates that we'd already be |
sfexpat2000 |
Jun-25-07 01:08 PM |
#34 |
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I agree with John about that. |
leveymg |
Jun-26-07 06:40 AM |
#187 |
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And what is your opinion of Ghandi? |
Toots |
Jun-25-07 06:39 PM |
#161 |
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Um ... wasn't Ghandi assassinated? |
Dark |
Jun-25-07 09:18 PM |
#170 |
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Even when there actually is someone out there big and bad who wants to get you? |
eridani |
Jun-25-07 10:09 PM |
#171 |
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"A left jack boot up your ass feels no better than a right jack boot up your ass" |
slackmaster |
Jun-29-07 03:17 AM |
#234 |
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Yeah, I'm sorry, but this guy is starting to act like a nationalist. |
originalpckelly |
Jun-25-07 09:37 AM |
#20 |
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Exactly. Why can't he just be a corporate globalist? You know, the way |
mhatrw |
Jun-25-07 01:00 PM |
#32 |
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Have you ever considered that just maybe it's possible to not like Chavez... |
originalpckelly |
Jun-25-07 02:24 PM |
#64 |
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It's not that you don't like Chavez. |
mhatrw |
Jun-25-07 02:59 PM |
#81 |
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Duh!!! (n/t) |
ProudDad |
Jun-25-07 02:12 PM |
#57 |
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Is he nuttier than Uribe of Columbia? |
eridani |
Jun-25-07 10:18 PM |
#172 |
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well, because, the people can vote to remove him from office if they want to. |
otherlander |
Jun-26-07 06:08 PM |
#210 |
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Look at the full name of the Nazi party |
knight_of_the_star |
Jun-27-07 02:39 PM |
#218 |
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ThatS been tried here before. Nazis were not Socialists. |
Judi Lynn |
Jun-27-07 04:47 PM |
#219 |
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Depends on how far left you go |
knight_of_the_star |
Jun-29-07 02:31 AM |
#232 |
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Informed opinions are legitimate. Take time to have a grasp of the subject. n/t |
Judi Lynn |
Jun-29-07 02:48 AM |
#233 |
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Jun-29-07 12:18 PM |
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And of course we should just take everything the nazis say at face value right? |
MN Against Bush |
Jun-28-07 11:42 AM |
#230 |
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Just pointing out how Fatherland and Socialism can be in the same place |
knight_of_the_star |
Jun-29-07 02:29 AM |
#231 |
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The Nazis claimed a lot of things, but I don't believe everything they claimed |
MN Against Bush |
Jun-29-07 11:24 AM |
#235 |
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Except he's moving in a direction that's very dangerous |
knight_of_the_star |
Jun-29-07 12:20 PM |
#237 |
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Can you name me another country which would not have shut down a station advocating a violent coup? |
MN Against Bush |
Jun-29-07 01:51 PM |
#238 |
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Scaremongering? |
TOJ |
Jun-25-07 08:39 AM |
#15 |
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There's a big difference in what you're arguing |
NeedleCast |
Jun-25-07 09:58 AM |
#23 |
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That's funny. |
mhatrw |
Jun-25-07 01:02 PM |
#33 |
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sad, some of these responses... |
redqueen |
Jun-25-07 03:16 PM |
#91 |
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Bugga bugga bugga!!!!! |
devilgrrl |
Jun-25-07 02:06 PM |
#53 |
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Sorry Hugo. |
MilesColtrane |
Jun-25-07 02:57 AM |
#3 |
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I realize fearmongering is bad |
flobee1 |
Jun-25-07 04:24 AM |
#7 |
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Counting down... |
Prophet 451 |
Jun-25-07 04:16 AM |
#6 |
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I dont think Bush would be that retarded |
flobee1 |
Jun-25-07 04:32 AM |
#8 |
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I have a horrible feeling he would |
Prophet 451 |
Jun-25-07 01:32 PM |
#41 |
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The bushies think that they can |
ProudDad |
Jun-25-07 02:11 PM |
#56 |
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True, about the "camps" at DU. But one camp is well-informed, and the other |
Peace Patriot |
Jun-25-07 08:33 AM |
#14 |
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Dude, it wasn't an attempt to marginalise you |
Prophet 451 |
Jun-25-07 01:31 PM |
#40 |
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Excellent post. That sums up the situation here nicely. |
Vidar |
Jun-25-07 04:24 PM |
#130 |
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When were you most recently in Venezuela? n/t |
Tyrone Slothrop |
Jun-26-07 10:55 AM |
#190 |
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Thanks Peace Patriot |
plasticsundance |
Jun-26-07 03:30 PM |
#201 |
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overly simplistic |
redqueen |
Jun-25-07 03:18 PM |
#92 |
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Of course it's overly simplistic |
Prophet 451 |
Jun-25-07 04:37 PM |
#142 |
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my point is that just as with the media |
redqueen |
Jun-25-07 05:30 PM |
#156 |
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Sure |
Prophet 451 |
Jun-25-07 05:35 PM |
#158 |
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I don't believe Chavez walks on water, and have spent time |
sfexpat2000 |
Jun-26-07 02:51 PM |
#200 |
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It’s always far better to give your opinion on situations when you actually |
Judi Lynn |
Jun-25-07 05:02 AM |
#9 |
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Adding one more: US ambassador warned Vene. Vice-Pres. Rangel of possible assassination attempt.... |
Judi Lynn |
Jun-25-07 05:15 AM |
#10 |
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Would you like to explain: |
originalpckelly |
Jun-25-07 09:48 AM |
#22 |
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Ah, I'm reminded of the famous rallying cry, "Give me liberty or give me compromise!" |
Judi Lynn |
Jun-25-07 03:13 PM |
#89 |
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Maybe, in 30 Years, the CIA Murderers Will Be Forced To Disclose their Current......... |
Preening Fop |
Jun-25-07 06:44 AM |
#12 |
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I do get |
Mojorabbit |
Jun-25-07 09:07 AM |
#16 |
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Jun-25-07 09:24 AM |
#17 |
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self-delete |
Moochy |
Jun-25-07 11:54 PM |
#183 |
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AP has nothing better to do? Where are their articles on the mass graves in Colombia, |
Peace Patriot |
Jun-25-07 09:31 AM |
#18 |
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"Fatherland" when the fuck did he become a fucking Nazi? |
originalpckelly |
Jun-25-07 09:33 AM |
#19 |
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Oh, yeah, right, Originalpckelly, you haven't been calling Chavez a "dictator" |
Peace Patriot |
Jun-25-07 10:05 AM |
#24 |
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Typical straw man argument |
NeedleCast |
Jun-25-07 11:01 AM |
#25 |
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Before, everything was procedural, now it is becoming more than that. |
originalpckelly |
Jun-25-07 11:13 AM |
#30 |
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Whipping up "nationalist" sentiments? |
mhatrw |
Jun-25-07 01:21 PM |
#37 |
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if there is a 'true military threat' |
northzax |
Jun-25-07 01:31 PM |
#39 |
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What? Open a history book sometime if you think the USA is not a threat |
mhatrw |
Jun-25-07 01:54 PM |
#46 |
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"military' |
northzax |
Jun-25-07 02:00 PM |
#50 |
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As I said, just open any history book. n/t |
mhatrw |
Jun-25-07 02:38 PM |
#76 |
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can you recommend a history book |
northzax |
Jun-25-07 03:12 PM |
#87 |
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What Latin American "strongmen" in the past have acted like Chavez? |
mhatrw |
Jun-25-07 03:30 PM |
#98 |
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why, not a single one! |
northzax |
Jun-25-07 03:39 PM |
#103 |
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What "rogues gallery" of history are you referring to? |
mhatrw |
Jun-25-07 03:47 PM |
#108 |
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Chavez didn't change the constitution of Venezuela |
eridani |
Jun-25-07 10:36 PM |
#174 |
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oh, well in that case |
northzax |
Jun-25-07 11:18 PM |
#179 |
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By the Venezuelan constitution, any government in office has the power |
eridani |
Jun-26-07 12:37 AM |
#185 |
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sorry to correct such a noted scholar |
northzax |
Jun-26-07 11:00 AM |
#191 |
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Would you be good enough to provide a source for your claim |
Judi Lynn |
Jun-26-07 11:58 AM |
#192 |
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But reaction to the 1989 event is the foundation of his support n/t |
eridani |
Jun-26-07 01:30 PM |
#197 |
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Actually he was arrested in 1989 on suspicion of plotting a coup |
pschoeb |
Jun-28-07 10:54 AM |
#229 |
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Spend some time learning about American policy and history in Latin America. |
Judi Lynn |
Jun-25-07 03:30 PM |
#99 |
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ok, fine, you are right |
northzax |
Jun-25-07 04:04 PM |
#117 |
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What an odd post! First, are you saying there IS no threat? |
Judi Lynn |
Jun-25-07 06:37 PM |
#160 |
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the fact that he rules by decree? |
northzax |
Jun-25-07 01:28 PM |
#38 |
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"he is creating a hyper-militarized state" |
ProudDad |
Jun-25-07 02:22 PM |
#61 |
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oh right, you got me |
northzax |
Jun-25-07 03:09 PM |
#86 |
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And what's a 3000% difference in military spending per capita when |
mhatrw |
Jun-25-07 03:19 PM |
#93 |
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the words 'Juan Peron' come to mind |
northzax |
Jun-25-07 03:36 PM |
#102 |
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If Castro and Peron are your bogeymen, color me less than |
mhatrw |
Jun-25-07 03:49 PM |
#110 |
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if Castro and Peron are your heros |
northzax |
Jun-25-07 04:08 PM |
#120 |
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Who said they were my heroes? |
mhatrw |
Jun-25-07 04:22 PM |
#129 |
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Chavez was the victim of a coup |
ProudDad |
Jun-25-07 10:55 PM |
#177 |
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I doubt that they had English on their banners. |
roody |
Jun-25-07 11:06 AM |
#26 |
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Who came up with "Homeland Security"? |
mhatrw |
Jun-25-07 01:15 PM |
#36 |
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I don't see any difference, and I think they're both designed to stir nationalist feelings. |
originalpckelly |
Jun-25-07 02:29 PM |
#67 |
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And how many Democrats voted for "Homeland Security"? |
mhatrw |
Jun-25-07 02:50 PM |
#79 |
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I know you already made up your mind long ago |
Flanker |
Jun-25-07 01:58 PM |
#48 |
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He's a nazi in every Associated Press article... |
devilgrrl |
Jun-25-07 02:09 PM |
#55 |
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Well, it's supposedly a banner, which I can't find a single AP photo of |
pschoeb |
Jun-25-07 06:33 PM |
#159 |
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I think it is time to plan a DU meetup in Venezuela. eom |
roody |
Jun-25-07 11:09 AM |
#27 |
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I'd love that! Dying to see Caracas |
sfexpat2000 |
Jun-25-07 01:11 PM |
#35 |
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I would have thought the meeting would be held here |
Bacchus39 |
Jun-25-07 01:35 PM |
#42 |
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Why not? Then, I'd get to see schools where children are fed |
sfexpat2000 |
Jun-25-07 01:38 PM |
#43 |
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well, its all there for you to see. |
Bacchus39 |
Jun-25-07 01:49 PM |
#45 |
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False comparison. Really, Bacchus, you can do better. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jun-25-07 02:04 PM |
#52 |
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you're kidding or you' ve never been there |
Bacchus39 |
Jun-25-07 02:19 PM |
#58 |
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But the current policy in Caracas and in Sao Paolo |
sfexpat2000 |
Jun-25-07 02:22 PM |
#60 |
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what is the current policy? drugs and crime |
Bacchus39 |
Jun-25-07 02:36 PM |
#72 |
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Really? |
ProudDad |
Jun-25-07 02:24 PM |
#63 |
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I'm trying to be nice. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Jun-25-07 02:34 PM |
#71 |
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Worth a try. |
ProudDad |
Jun-25-07 10:58 PM |
#178 |
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Well there are tours of these areas |
Flanker |
Jun-25-07 02:08 PM |
#54 |
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aprovecha!! |
Bacchus39 |
Jun-25-07 02:20 PM |
#59 |
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Let's do our own. |
roody |
Jun-25-07 08:03 PM |
#164 |
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Daly City, CA -- just outside of San Francisco |
mhatrw |
Jun-25-07 01:59 PM |
#49 |
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never been there, been to Caracas several times though |
Bacchus39 |
Jun-25-07 02:01 PM |
#51 |
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Yes |
ProudDad |
Jun-25-07 02:25 PM |
#65 |
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maybe a meetup in Daly City is more appropriate then |
Bacchus39 |
Jun-25-07 02:37 PM |
#74 |
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Joking, yes? |
junior college |
Jun-26-07 08:17 PM |
#214 |
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Was when my family lived there. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Jun-25-07 02:32 PM |
#69 |
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Was there abject poverty in Venzuela before Chavez? |
mhatrw |
Jun-25-07 02:36 PM |
#73 |
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absolutely, and there still is |
Bacchus39 |
Jun-25-07 02:37 PM |
#75 |
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What makes Chavez's political enemies in Venezuela preferable |
mhatrw |
Jun-25-07 02:41 PM |
#77 |
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political enemies??? how about an alternative to authoritarianism |
Bacchus39 |
Jun-25-07 02:44 PM |
#78 |
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So fighting poverty is OK, just as long as it's not "heavy handed"? |
mhatrw |
Jun-25-07 02:52 PM |
#80 |
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fighting poverty is fine |
Bacchus39 |
Jun-25-07 03:01 PM |
#83 |
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Why is it the same for Chavez? |
mhatrw |
Jun-25-07 03:08 PM |
#85 |
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I don't get all the adoration |
Bacchus39 |
Jun-25-07 03:31 PM |
#100 |
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Bush has stacked the Supreme Court, Bush rules by signing statements, |
mhatrw |
Jun-25-07 03:59 PM |
#113 |
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but obviously you must be ok with that |
northzax |
Jun-25-07 04:10 PM |
#121 |
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What I'm saying is, don't you have anything better to do than get up |
mhatrw |
Jun-25-07 04:16 PM |
#126 |
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he doesn't need to, now does he? |
northzax |
Jun-25-07 04:18 PM |
#127 |
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At least he asked the legislature first. |
mhatrw |
Jun-25-07 04:24 PM |
#131 |
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again, if all you have is a 'slightly better than Bush' |
northzax |
Jun-25-07 04:28 PM |
#135 |
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What I have is that his methods of consolidating power are slightly |
mhatrw |
Jun-25-07 04:32 PM |
#137 |
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consolidating power in one person is always troublesome |
northzax |
Jun-25-07 04:33 PM |
#139 |
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It depends on how much power the executive already has. |
mhatrw |
Jun-25-07 04:43 PM |
#144 |
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ok, that's sensible (who knew, after all this we are still capable of sense!) |
northzax |
Jun-25-07 04:56 PM |
#149 |
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Well, in that sense populist leaders like Chavez typically end up becoming |
mhatrw |
Jun-25-07 05:10 PM |
#154 |
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all of our domestic email and phone calls monitored |
Bacchus39 |
Jun-25-07 04:10 PM |
#122 |
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Is Padilla still being held as an enemy combatant or not? |
mhatrw |
Jun-25-07 04:19 PM |
#128 |
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not really, besides the government could simply monitor |
Bacchus39 |
Jun-25-07 04:27 PM |
#134 |
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When was Padilla's trial? Do you even know what habeas corpus means? |
mhatrw |
Jun-25-07 04:30 PM |
#136 |
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I don't know, again you are so interested in |
Bacchus39 |
Jun-25-07 04:36 PM |
#141 |
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Your posts speak for themselves. |
mhatrw |
Jun-25-07 04:47 PM |
#145 |
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Your link is broken. I spent some years there, 4-8 and am curious. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jun-25-07 02:31 PM |
#68 |
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You are attempting to pull a fast one on DU'ers by pretending this level of poverty |
Judi Lynn |
Jun-25-07 04:01 PM |
#115 |
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The M$M will relabel it an "insurgency" |
treestar |
Jun-25-07 11:11 AM |
#29 |
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Chavez has no intention of EVER stepping down. |
Bo |
Jun-25-07 01:46 PM |
#44 |
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You sound just like a Republican during the FDR administration. |
mhatrw |
Jun-25-07 01:55 PM |
#47 |
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gee, seems like at the time |
northzax |
Jun-25-07 03:15 PM |
#90 |
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Learn some history, please! |
mhatrw |
Jun-25-07 03:27 PM |
#96 |
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then talk about the right thing |
northzax |
Jun-25-07 03:43 PM |
#105 |
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It happens to be the right of the Venezuelan people to change their own constitution |
eridani |
Jun-25-07 10:45 PM |
#175 |
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Nope your history is faulty |
ProudDad |
Jun-25-07 11:20 PM |
#180 |
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Do you have any proof |
ProudDad |
Jun-25-07 02:26 PM |
#66 |
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the burden of proof, historically |
northzax |
Jun-25-07 03:19 PM |
#94 |
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He was elected in December 1988, inaugurated February 2, 1999. |
Judi Lynn |
Jun-25-07 03:42 PM |
#104 |
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as you no doubt know |
northzax |
Jun-25-07 03:58 PM |
#112 |
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He did not serve as Venzuela's President during 1998. How is that hard to grasp? |
Judi Lynn |
Jun-25-07 04:03 PM |
#116 |
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he was, in fact elected in 1998, yes? |
northzax |
Jun-25-07 04:07 PM |
#118 |
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He didn't take office until February 2, 1999. That's not my fact, it's THE fact. n/t |
Judi Lynn |
Jun-25-07 04:54 PM |
#147 |
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and US presidents don't take office until January of the next year |
northzax |
Jun-25-07 05:02 PM |
#153 |
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Wow, a whole year added, and term limits added as well |
pschoeb |
Jun-25-07 07:41 PM |
#162 |
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Why do you think he won't? n/t |
eridani |
Jun-25-07 10:46 PM |
#176 |
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Do you have any other predictions you'd like to share |
sfexpat2000 |
Jun-25-07 02:33 PM |
#70 |
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SU EXCELLENCIA will be there until the revolution succeeds. lol |
Bo |
Jun-25-07 04:01 PM |
#114 |
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Yep. Much better to stop trying and resign yourself to a highly stratified |
mhatrw |
Jun-25-07 04:12 PM |
#124 |
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I LOVE IT that you can see into the future. You are AMAZING! |
PassingFair |
Jun-26-07 05:04 PM |
#206 |
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We are honored to have one of them amungus! They're so evolved. n/t |
Judi Lynn |
Jun-26-07 05:18 PM |
#208 |
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Jun-25-07 03:00 PM |
#82 |
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No, see, it's not the left they have a problem with. |
mhatrw |
Jun-25-07 03:03 PM |
#84 |
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bingo. n/t |
redqueen |
Jun-25-07 03:20 PM |
#95 |
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aw, that's cute |
northzax |
Jun-25-07 03:27 PM |
#97 |
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I often have the same question of Castro and Chavez supporters frankly |
Bacchus39 |
Jun-25-07 03:33 PM |
#101 |
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Once again, all of your arguments were used by Republicans against FDR. |
mhatrw |
Jun-25-07 03:43 PM |
#106 |
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terrible or benevolent dictator is a point of opinion |
northzax |
Jun-25-07 03:47 PM |
#107 |
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What about it? How was this different from Poppy & Sons or Bill & Hill? |
mhatrw |
Jun-25-07 04:08 PM |
#119 |
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ahh, speaking of GOP arguements |
northzax |
Jun-25-07 04:11 PM |
#123 |
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You didn't answer my question. How is what Peron did any different from |
mhatrw |
Jun-25-07 04:25 PM |
#132 |
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you mean when he was ineligible to run |
northzax |
Jun-25-07 04:32 PM |
#138 |
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Yes, Poppy has nothing to do with BushCo. |
mhatrw |
Jun-25-07 04:35 PM |
#140 |
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are you sure you are? |
northzax |
Jun-25-07 04:42 PM |
#143 |
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Yeah, right! |
mhatrw |
Jun-25-07 04:49 PM |
#146 |
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ah, another good revolutionary point |
northzax |
Jun-25-07 04:57 PM |
#150 |
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Is it OK if I just find it a bit gullible of someone to believe that the |
mhatrw |
Jun-25-07 05:16 PM |
#155 |
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You should really find out what the Bolivarian Revolution is about |
ProudDad |
Jun-25-07 11:22 PM |
#181 |
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It wasn't too long ago we had a visitor from the right-wing message board, |
Judi Lynn |
Jun-25-07 03:47 PM |
#109 |
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but the process isn't important |
northzax |
Jun-25-07 04:14 PM |
#125 |
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But you don't make sense, do you? Most of us know what Pinochet did. n/t |
Judi Lynn |
Jun-25-07 04:55 PM |
#148 |
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shouldn't matter |
northzax |
Jun-25-07 05:01 PM |
#152 |
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Who was it above that was talking about |
Andrushka |
Jun-25-07 11:45 PM |
#182 |
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Instead of pulling your "facts" from the same dark place |
ProudDad |
Jun-27-07 09:03 PM |
#228 |
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No, Chavez non-fans are Democrats because...they're Americans who support the Democratic party |
brentspeak |
Jun-25-07 08:10 PM |
#166 |
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Ooooh! The Associated Press said it - it must be TRUE!!!!!!! |
devilgrrl |
Jun-25-07 03:13 PM |
#88 |
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Yeah. Whatever they say about a leader the right-wing hates is true. |
Judi Lynn |
Jun-25-07 03:49 PM |
#111 |
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I seem to remember one Alberto Fujimori, Pres.of Peru |
Bo |
Jun-25-07 04:26 PM |
#133 |
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Last week he claimed he just may be considering running for office in Japan! |
Judi Lynn |
Jun-25-07 04:58 PM |
#151 |
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"psychological warfare, media warfare, political warfare, economic warfare."" |
ohio2007 |
Jun-25-07 05:32 PM |
#157 |
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"Dressed in olive green fatigues and a red beret"... Suprised he didn't wear a |
Endangered Specie |
Jun-25-07 07:50 PM |
#163 |
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Chavez really was a soldier, not just for dress up. |
roody |
Jun-25-07 08:06 PM |
#165 |
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He's the real thing. |
ozone_man |
Jun-25-07 08:50 PM |
#167 |
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Chavez to head to Russia, Belarus, Iran, in latest bid to heckle US |
ohio2007 |
Jun-25-07 10:30 PM |
#173 |
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There's a lot of the showman in Chavez. |
Matilda |
Jun-26-07 12:24 AM |
#184 |
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So uh |
sanskritwarrior |
Jun-26-07 12:56 AM |
#186 |
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When do we get to the bit about having to pre-emptively attack? |
Nihil |
Jun-26-07 07:41 AM |
#188 |
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I'm quaking in my boots at the Venezuelan threat. |
High Plains |
Jun-26-07 10:42 AM |
#189 |
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OHMYGOD, his missiles will be able to go almost 300 km!!! |
mhatrw |
Jun-27-07 02:30 PM |
#217 |
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Mission Accomplished was bad but "Fatherland, Socialism, or Death! We will triumph!"is good? |
rinsd |
Jun-26-07 12:14 PM |
#193 |
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How about "Give me liberty or give me death?" How is that wildly different? |
Judi Lynn |
Jun-26-07 12:26 PM |
#194 |
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You do know what the word Patriot actually means, don't you? |
pschoeb |
Jun-26-07 01:11 PM |
#195 |
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I have no problem with the word Fatherland. |
rinsd |
Jun-26-07 01:24 PM |
#196 |
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Where did he say anything about impending real war. |
pschoeb |
Jun-26-07 02:36 PM |
#198 |
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"I don't see any overt "militarism"," |
rinsd |
Jun-26-07 02:40 PM |
#199 |
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Patriotic slogans are the norm on independance days/ memorial day |
pschoeb |
Jun-26-07 03:35 PM |
#202 |
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Clinton & Esienhower in jackets is the best you got? |
rinsd |
Jun-26-07 03:52 PM |
#203 |
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Actually Washington did,,and actually personally commanded troops against |
pschoeb |
Jun-26-07 04:56 PM |
#205 |
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In battle is quite a different thing than an independence day celebration |
rinsd |
Jun-26-07 06:08 PM |
#211 |
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Yeah, It would have been better if Washington wore his uniform on independence day |
pschoeb |
Jun-26-07 07:31 PM |
#213 |
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I'm waiting for the concern over Filipe Claderon, of Mexico |
pschoeb |
Jun-26-07 05:56 PM |
#209 |
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You have a picture of this? Because I couldn't find one. |
rinsd |
Jun-27-07 04:53 PM |
#220 |
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That country is obligated to protect itself. It's not up to you to determine whether or not there's |
Judi Lynn |
Jun-27-07 05:34 PM |
#221 |
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Here you go |
pschoeb |
Jun-27-07 06:23 PM |
#222 |
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So your excuse for Chavez is that Calderon and Bush did it too. |
rinsd |
Jun-27-07 06:41 PM |
#223 |
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Actually I never said Calderon wearing a uniform was bad |
pschoeb |
Jun-27-07 07:39 PM |
#224 |
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So Calderón opted for the five star General's chapeau! Excellent choice! |
Judi Lynn |
Jun-27-07 08:29 PM |
#226 |
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Other countries seem to be in error in not consulting your whim on how to conduct their business. |
Judi Lynn |
Jun-26-07 04:46 PM |
#204 |
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No, try this: |
PassingFair |
Jun-26-07 05:08 PM |
#207 |
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Just found a fascinating little video, around 8 minutes long, on the coup attempt |
Judi Lynn |
Jun-26-07 06:13 PM |
#212 |
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He has seen what we have done in the past |
gorbal |
Jun-27-07 09:46 AM |
#215 |
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Sounds like somebody told him about Haiti? |
MetaTrope |
Jun-27-07 11:42 AM |
#216 |
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I really don't understand why Chavez still thinks Bush will attack him |
OldschoolDem |
Jun-27-07 08:17 PM |
#225 |
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Spend more time reading about the subject. You need to get some background. |
Judi Lynn |
Jun-27-07 08:32 PM |
#227 |
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