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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 04:49 AM
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5. I don't think Emergency Rooms have to get permission from anyone (if no one is
available, and the patient is comatise) to save a life. I don't understand the distinction between that current power (I think it's current--isn't it?) and having medical researchers there, suggesting new life-saving treatments. If a patient is conscious, I believe that ER's ask them to sign a consent form, or if they are not conscious and a relative is present, they ask the relative to do so. Does this take that right away from CONSCIOUS patients or from the relatives of unsconscious patients? Is that why it is "controversial"?
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  -Medical experiments to be done without patients' consent Judi Lynn  May-27-07 03:20 AM   #0 
  - Josef Mengele is alive and well in Amerika!  IndianaGreen   May-27-07 03:23 AM   #1 
  - Please. Ridiculous and callous comparison.  Miss Chybil   May-27-07 07:09 PM   #43 
  - Ill kill myself before I let Bush's  undergroundpanther   May-27-07 11:36 PM   #48 
  - I just read the entire article...  piesRsquare   May-27-07 03:30 AM   #2 
  - Johns Hopkins had that crazy doctor John Money, and his experiments with intersexed children  IndianaGreen   May-27-07 03:32 AM   #3 
  - Hmmmm  dragndust   May-27-07 04:07 AM   #4 
  - You are way to trusting.  StarryNite   May-27-07 03:50 PM   #30 
     - my hubby is a current cancer patient at Johns Hopkins and  Duppers   May-28-07 04:05 AM   #52 
        - Johns Hopkins gets federal funding to conduct research  IndianaGreen   May-28-07 04:17 AM   #54 
  - I don't think Emergency Rooms have to get permission from anyone (if no one is  Peace Patriot   May-27-07 04:49 AM   #5 
  - Actually, that information would be wrong.  demgurl   May-27-07 10:54 AM   #15 
  - Anybody who thinks this is kosher is crazy. This strips you of the  acmavm   May-27-07 05:35 AM   #6 
  - It's making unconscious people guinea pigs for the MEDICAL industry.  Kagemusha   May-27-07 08:30 AM   #8 
  - People who volunteer to be part of studies (and there's a whole industry  acmavm   May-27-07 09:52 AM   #9 
  - In general I'd agree with you. But there's nothing I see typical about this one.  Kagemusha   May-27-07 10:09 AM   #10 
     - So let's just see whether or not some poor unsuspecting fools die  acmavm   May-27-07 10:18 AM   #13 
        - You're not listening so whatever.  Kagemusha   May-27-07 11:40 AM   #18 
  - Using Our Fear of Death  Crisco   May-27-07 10:17 AM   #11 
  - Medical ethics didn't exist in the mid 1900s - the infamous Tuskegee syphilis study is an example  entanglement   May-28-07 05:25 AM   #55 
  - The US is taking on more and more characteristics  ikojo   May-27-07 07:09 AM   #7 
  - Hmmm ... no permission = secret?  Doremus   May-27-07 10:17 AM   #12 
  - If it was a secret, then why is it published in a major newspaper  hedgehog   May-27-07 05:42 PM   #40 
  - Difficult question, no obvious answer.  panzerfaust   May-27-07 10:21 AM   #14 
  - It is often said that the one good side effect of war is the advances we make in medicine.  hedgehog   May-27-07 02:16 PM   #20 
  - I think they killed my mother this way.  The Backlash Cometh   May-27-07 11:05 AM   #16 
  - I'm sorry for your loss, but the only way that they found out the stent shouldn't be used  hedgehog   May-27-07 02:21 PM   #21 
     - No offense, but yours has got to be the sickest response I've ever  The Backlash Cometh   May-27-07 02:41 PM   #22 
        - I'm sorry for offending you.  hedgehog   May-27-07 03:10 PM   #25 
           - Pat on the back  panzerfaust   May-27-07 04:09 PM   #32 
           - It's very hard to discuss medical outcomes because while we  hedgehog   May-27-07 04:38 PM   #35 
           - This time it will be.  The Backlash Cometh   May-27-07 04:42 PM   #38 
           - True. The current Measles Epidemic  panzerfaust   May-28-07 07:19 AM   #56 
           - God, your opinion and your nom de plume sends chills up my spine.  The Backlash Cometh   May-27-07 04:41 PM   #37 
           - Let's just say, if she had been twenty years younger, the doctor would  The Backlash Cometh   May-27-07 04:40 PM   #36 
           - "Someone had to gather the data and prove that the stents were causing harm."  MilesColtrane   May-27-07 05:59 PM   #42 
           - I really do believe, that they're hiding information from the public.  The Backlash Cometh   May-27-07 10:05 PM   #47 
           - INFORMED consent? give me a break!  NotGivingUp   May-28-07 09:30 AM   #61 
  - This should be done like organ donation. Sign up when you get your driver's license  glitch   May-27-07 11:20 AM   #17 
  - Lots of scary implications there.  Downtown Hound   May-27-07 01:41 PM   #19 
  - You know what they're fucking doing? They're legitimizing mal-practice.  The Backlash Cometh   May-27-07 02:46 PM   #24 
     - WHICH is the malpractice?  panzerfaust   May-27-07 03:40 PM   #29 
     - There is no such thing as protocol in medicine.  The Backlash Cometh   May-27-07 04:32 PM   #33 
        - I am sorry that you live in such a dark world.  panzerfaust   May-28-07 07:26 AM   #57 
           - I'm sorry that you have no compassion  JulieRB   May-28-07 10:39 AM   #66 
              - If your mother had a drug study performed on her without consent  panzerfaust   May-28-07 11:31 AM   #69 
     - Murder  undergroundpanther   May-28-07 12:00 AM   #50 
        - It really is frightening, isn't it?  The Backlash Cometh   May-28-07 01:42 AM   #51 
        - Ummm: We are talking about Salt Water here.  panzerfaust   May-28-07 07:42 AM   #58 
        - I'm awake and i am so pissed and you are so absolutely right.  NotGivingUp   May-28-07 09:34 AM   #62 
  - What is the difference between this and the notorious syphyllis  MadMaddie   May-27-07 02:44 PM   #23 
  - The difference is that at Tuskegee the patients were lied to.  hedgehog   May-27-07 03:15 PM   #26 
  - Agreed. This is unethical.  Nikki Stone1   May-27-07 03:17 PM   #27 
  - MKULTRA comes to mind.  otherlander   May-27-07 08:46 PM   #45 
  - When we accept trauma care, we give consent to whatever treatment  hedgehog   May-27-07 03:38 PM   #28 
  - A Bit More Restrictive -  panzerfaust   May-27-07 04:02 PM   #31 
     - I stand corrected. I should have remembered that proviso.  hedgehog   May-27-07 04:34 PM   #34 
        - I think that you might be referring to Ashley?  panzerfaust   May-28-07 08:41 AM   #59 
  - My Mom's Living Will - "I don't want to become a Science Experiment  HockeyMom   May-27-07 05:33 PM   #39 
  - Maybe I shouldn't comment in this thread at all because I do have a bias.  hedgehog   May-27-07 05:46 PM   #41 
     - no, that's exactly why you should post here  semillama   May-28-07 10:19 AM   #65 
        - Yes.  panzerfaust   May-28-07 11:11 AM   #67 
  - Let's cut to the chase on this thing.  Tandalayo_Scheisskopf   May-27-07 07:35 PM   #44 
  - The medical experiments at Dachau were to advance battlefield trauma medicine  IndianaGreen   May-28-07 04:12 AM   #53 
  - Wendy's. And mostly it goes the OTHER way.  panzerfaust   May-28-07 09:10 AM   #60 
  - Call me cynical  Screwfly   May-27-07 09:58 PM   #46 
  - Most trauma occurs in car crashes  panzerfaust   May-28-07 09:46 AM   #63 
  - We are all expendable  undergroundpanther   May-27-07 11:49 PM   #49 
  - How about making it like a donar card thing...  SayWhatYo   May-28-07 09:48 AM   #64 
     - I don't want to be nasty, because my own daughter came up with the same suggestion,  hedgehog   May-28-07 11:27 AM   #68 
        - Disagreeing with me is hardly considered nasty. :D  SayWhatYo   May-28-07 04:09 PM   #70 

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