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Rage for Order Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 01:06 PM
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56. And here's the problem with your approach
"The fact that some Chrisitans turned out "good" is not a result of their faith, but rather in spite of it."

Would you say that the fact that some Muslims turned out "good" was not a result of their faith, but rather in spite of it? If you did, do you think people would accuse you of anti-Muslim bias,and, if so, do you think they would be justified in doing so?

I could count the number of Christians I've met who are anti-science on one hand. They are, in my entire life experience, the extreme exception rather than the rule.
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  -Evangelicals begin urging flock to adopt (to blunt anti-abortion criticism) Judi Lynn  May-06-07 02:54 AM   #0 
  - They have to order them to do it?  aquart   May-06-07 02:57 AM   #1 
  - This thread is a complete vilification of all Christians and Evangelicals  ray of light   May-06-07 07:46 AM   #12 
     - Me thinks thou protesteth too much.............n/t  POAS   May-06-07 08:11 AM   #14 
     - Shame on you. Can't respond to the argument so you attack the person.  ray of light   May-06-07 11:11 AM   #37 
        - I did not attack you  POAS   May-06-07 01:20 PM   #57 
           - post that in a "reply to " sentence. It's quite clear.  ray of light   May-06-07 09:42 PM   #70 
           - Exactly correct  POAS   May-07-07 02:49 AM   #78 
              - ....  ray of light   May-07-07 10:53 AM   #80 
                 - Your a trip  POAS   May-07-07 03:54 PM   #86 
           - I think you need to get out and see more christian groups  superconnected   May-07-07 05:55 PM   #90 
              - Ummmm....OK....I think..........n/t  POAS   May-07-07 07:04 PM   #93 
     - You are very right about that, but it is the extremists that are  Ilsa   May-06-07 08:44 AM   #19 
     - Absolutely! The good people of Christian faith need to reign in the  ray of light   May-06-07 11:18 AM   #41 
        - I don't mind that there are people who don't like abortion. Most of us  Ilsa   May-06-07 11:42 AM   #46 
        - Yes. And there's a huge difference between persuasion  JerseygirlCT   May-06-07 06:56 PM   #66 
        - Well, here's the problem with that approach  jgraz   May-06-07 12:19 PM   #52 
        - And here's the problem with your approach  Rage for Order   May-06-07 01:06 PM   #56 
           - Think of it as the atheist version of "love the sinner, hate the sin"  jgraz   May-06-07 02:24 PM   #59 
              - I would have to disagree with you on this point  Rage for Order   May-06-07 04:48 PM   #63 
                 - Very strange logic  jgraz   May-06-07 06:08 PM   #64 
                    - Why does the religious belief of certain scientists have to be contingent on "indoctrination"?  BestCenter   May-07-07 11:17 AM   #82 
                       - Good point. It could also be fear of death or need for wish fulfillment  jgraz   May-07-07 04:10 PM   #87 
                          - Einstein? Afraid of dead and having wishes unfulfilled?  BestCenter   May-07-07 09:43 PM   #97 
                             - I'm doing nothing of the kind  jgraz   May-07-07 09:56 PM   #98 
                             - One more thing about Einstein  jgraz   May-07-07 11:05 PM   #99 
        - Protesting at clinics is just nasty and meanspirited, IMHO.  kestrel91316   May-07-07 06:07 PM   #91 
     - I also don't have to be reminded that not ALL Christians are gay hating bigots.  Liberal Veteran   May-06-07 10:01 AM   #26 
     - It's anti Christian to lump all together as one. Look at how they did  ray of light   May-06-07 11:14 AM   #38 
        - You have been right on this point in all your posts, that most Christians aren't the issue, but  Gormy Cuss   May-06-07 11:31 AM   #44 
        - I already acknowledged that not all Christians are homophobes.  Liberal Veteran   May-06-07 12:01 PM   #51 
           - ...I know what you are asking and it's quite understandable, "  ray of light   May-07-07 11:09 AM   #81 
     - ALL?? C'mon... the very first paragraph says...  ClassWarrior   May-06-07 11:40 AM   #45 
     - The debate should be about privacy and the right of women to make their own reproductive choices  wisteria   May-06-07 11:47 AM   #48 
     - I don't understand "anti-choice progressive" sounds like an  JerseygirlCT   May-06-07 06:53 PM   #65 
     - If you're anti-choice, you're NOT progressive n/t  silverojo   May-06-07 10:22 PM   #71 
     - We all know what this means - it's not ALL Christians  Canuckistanian   May-06-07 10:48 PM   #73 
  - They may encourage it, but I doubt this effort will gain much traction  WildClarySage   May-06-07 02:59 AM   #2 
  - They'll Like the Government Checks for Foster Parenting  Crisco   May-06-07 07:30 AM   #10 
     - In most states, if you adopt from foster care, you continue to recieve a  beyurslf   May-06-07 10:27 AM   #29 
        - Stipends for fostering don't cover the actual additional costs the  WildClarySage   May-07-07 03:17 PM   #84 
           - Oh I am a foster parent. Trust me, I know.  beyurslf   May-07-07 07:00 PM   #92 
  - Ask an anti-choicer how much more tax they're willing to pay...  ClassWarrior   May-06-07 03:01 AM   #3 
  - You'll hear them babble MORE TAX CUTS  Joe Bacon   May-06-07 08:46 AM   #20 
     - Pro-Life Dems  AnnieBW   May-06-07 11:48 AM   #49 
        - You got it!  Joe Bacon   May-06-07 01:49 PM   #58 
  - This is supposed to be better?  dave_p   May-06-07 04:58 AM   #4 
  - As opposed to  Sees Clearly   May-06-07 06:15 AM   #6 
     - Liberals and progressives  hyphenate   May-06-07 06:47 AM   #7 
     - Listen to the prowar and hate the Moslems message of the RW churches for all the proof you need  TheBorealAvenger   May-06-07 08:47 AM   #22 
        - Uh, I think you are responding to #6  hyphenate   May-06-07 10:28 AM   #31 
     - I've never met a "hate spewing democrat" nor hate spewing "Liberal" nor hate spewing "Progressive."  Judi Lynn   May-06-07 11:17 AM   #40 
     - Come hang out with me and we can discuss Perle and Cheney.  Forkboy   May-07-07 01:40 AM   #77 
     - I was asked to relay to you an important message  TheBorealAvenger   May-06-07 12:41 PM   #53 
  - great way to increase membership in the church rolls.  xchrom   May-06-07 05:04 AM   #5 
  - Geez, if I got pregnant, didn't get an abortion, had the baby, and gave the baby up for adoption,  no_hypocrisy   May-06-07 07:26 AM   #8 
  - yep, and if you had a girl, you might just begin a vicious cycle. n/t  Iris   May-06-07 10:26 PM   #72 
  - The Right Thing For the WRONG Reasons  Crisco   May-06-07 07:29 AM   #9 
  - Unfortunately, most of them aren't adopting from the US.  fifthgendem   May-06-07 07:34 AM   #11 
  - That has always puzzled me  cmd   May-06-07 07:50 AM   #13 
  - Not all races are disliked to the same extent.  igil   May-06-07 08:43 AM   #18 
  - I don't think it has so much to do with race as it does with "less hassle."  fifthgendem   May-06-07 09:07 AM   #24 
  - only perfect white infants  musette_sf   May-06-07 12:55 PM   #55 
  - They want to civilize the little brown heathens  Chovexani   May-07-07 07:46 PM   #94 
  - I wonder if those churches get a cut of the business  LiberalFighter   May-06-07 08:37 AM   #17 
  - The screening procedures are also extremely lax. Would these  whutgives   May-06-07 08:46 AM   #21 
  - Angelina's made it so chic!  marshall   May-06-07 08:58 AM   #23 
  - I'll bet  svpadgham   May-06-07 11:07 AM   #35 
  - Hopefully this is will be more successful  northernsoul   May-06-07 08:29 AM   #15 
  - This will be another Fundie bad experiment that will go wrong.  Ilsa   May-06-07 08:36 AM   #16 
  - "Religious attitudes on corporal punishment ..."  Pigwidgeon   May-06-07 09:42 AM   #25 
  - My response to anti-abortionists:  blackops   May-06-07 10:10 AM   #27 
  - Encouraging adoption is useless. Support universal health care, equal pay  Crowdance   May-06-07 10:21 AM   #28 
  - "spending all our time complaining about homosexuals adopting" - yep, exactly.  closeupready   May-06-07 10:28 AM   #30 
  - Three years ago  DemSoccerMom   May-06-07 10:39 AM   #32 
  - Some people are starting to refer to 2-3 yrs old as the new "Unadoptable" age......  slampoet   May-06-07 10:59 AM   #34 
  - I agree that it's disturbing  DemSoccerMom   May-06-07 11:17 AM   #39 
  - See? There you go...  svpadgham   May-06-07 11:10 AM   #36 
  - HUH?  DemSoccerMom   May-06-07 11:18 AM   #42 
     - lol, your kids were 9 and 11.  melnjones   May-06-07 02:58 PM   #60 
        - I see, said the visually-impaired man.  DemSoccerMom   May-06-07 03:12 PM   #61 
  - Welcome to DU!  TexasLawyer   May-06-07 10:58 PM   #74 
  - Bless you and your husband  wicket   May-07-07 03:54 PM   #85 
  - Bless your heart  Chovexani   May-07-07 07:51 PM   #95 
  - All this does is increase the competition for newborn white healthy babies.  slampoet   May-06-07 10:53 AM   #33 
  - Another reason to go all-out in protecting women's rights to control their own destiny.  truthisfreedom   May-06-07 11:21 AM   #43 
  - ROFLOL! Greed pigs only love them before they are born, after  Acadia Blue   May-06-07 11:43 AM   #47 
  - Evangelicals begin urging flock to adopt ( to blunt anti-abortion criticism)  Truthseeker013   May-06-07 11:52 AM   #50 
  - Awww... finally faced with losing badly in 2008...  krispos42   May-06-07 12:52 PM   #54 
  - How repugnant - they're USING those poor kids as a political weapon.  Zhade   May-06-07 04:44 PM   #62 
  - good then let them deal with all the outcomes of kids whose  cap   May-06-07 07:25 PM   #67 
  - Aren't they busy screwing up their own kids?  LeftyMom   May-06-07 08:58 PM   #68 
  - There are SO many children who need homes  TexasLawyer   May-06-07 08:59 PM   #69 
  - Unfortunately most are dark skinned and will NEVER be adopted by fundies.  rcdean   May-06-07 11:02 PM   #75 
     - The irony  Chovexani   May-07-07 07:54 PM   #96 
  - Works for me  Egnever   May-07-07 01:12 AM   #76 
  - It's sad  Catalyst   May-07-07 02:52 AM   #79 
  - Can't wait for the increased cases of child abuse and neglect and abandonment  Roland99   May-07-07 12:24 PM   #83 
  - sorry, won't help ... don't want to have biological or adopt children n/t  Scout   May-07-07 05:41 PM   #88 
  - Political attack on womens rights, from the churches  superconnected   May-07-07 05:52 PM   #89 

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