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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 07:03 PM
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24. I'm NOT saying they have to leave Estonia
I'm saying that if they live in Estonia, they should have the common courtesy to learn a small amount of the Estonian language and treating Estonians with respect, not as former slaves. May of these people have lived in Estonia for decades without bothering to learn a single word of the language. Heck, when my penniless parents came here from a refugee camp in 1949, they respected their new homeland enough to learn and speak English, obey our laws, and respect American laws and government.

When Russia occupied Estonia after WW2, Estonians were all forced to learn Russian and attend school in Russian.

How is it fair that the occupiers can move in and force their language on the victims, but it is not okay for Estonians to ask these people now to learn a few sentences of Estonian?

How would you feel if China conquered the US and forced everyone to speak Chinese and took over all the good land and good jobs and forced us all to do menial work and prohibited us from going to religious services of any kind, traveling overseas, singing the Star Spangled Banner, displaying the US flag, assembling in groups, having a free press, and basically demolishing our Constitution.

How about if they took a few million Americans and shipped them to labor camps in china, never to see their homes or families again? How about if they murdered a million more, raped untold numbers of women, and forbade any American except a few collaborators from participating in the government? Then how about if they ripped off all America's natural resources for themselves, meanwhile turning parts of the country into huge toxic waste dumps?

Then let's say they took over Manhattan, and forbade anyone from the rest of America from going there, and forbade people living in Manhattan from leaving to visit the rest of the country or even seeing relatives in other states, for 50 years?

Finally, after 50 years, the Chinese somehow pull out, but leave behind a good chunk of military and about 80 million Chinese -- few of whom have ever bothered to learn a word of English or Spanish, and who have nothing but disdain for the American people. Then the military finally pulls out, but now America must tread carefully, always in fear that the Chinese would come back on the slightest pretext and start the occupation all over again.

The Americans then do their best to create a democracy and rebuild a wrecked economy and badly damaged country. They would love to go back to the way things were before, and ask these millions of occupiers to leave, but they don't dare. All they ask is that the chinese occupiers now make the effort to learn a small amount of English and play by the rules of democracy. And these Chinese keep whining to mother China about how brutally they are being mistreated by being asked to learn a little English and/or Spanish.

Well, gee, how would you, then, as an American feel?
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  -Estonia braces itself for violent unrest oberliner  Apr-27-07 06:29 PM   #0 
  - This story is not important here  musiclawyer   Apr-27-07 06:48 PM   #1 
  - Its important to me -  DURHAM D   Apr-27-07 06:51 PM   #2 
  - Russia should mind its own business  LiberalEsto   Apr-27-07 06:52 PM   #3 
  - Thanks for your comments.  DURHAM D   Apr-27-07 07:16 PM   #4 
  - I have two cousins and an aunt there  LiberalEsto   Apr-27-07 08:42 PM   #5 
     - I have great sympathy  Rydz777   Apr-27-07 09:40 PM   #6 
     - Thanks again.  DURHAM D   Apr-27-07 09:59 PM   #7 
     - You're more than welcome  LiberalEsto   Apr-28-07 07:59 PM   #28 
        - I have bookmarked your note and will pass on your  DURHAM D   Apr-29-07 05:37 PM   #29 
     - Very similar to Latvia (and, I assume, Lithuania)  Lydia Leftcoast   Apr-27-07 10:27 PM   #8 
     - Did you notice that earlier this week Condi referred to Russia  DURHAM D   Apr-27-07 10:44 PM   #9 
     - The Russians were right to raise a 'fuss'  Dutch   Apr-28-07 06:46 AM   #13 
     - In all fairness to those Russians, they thought the USSR would last  treestar   Apr-28-07 07:25 PM   #26 
     - Tere!  goodboy   Apr-28-07 11:28 AM   #18 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-28-07 06:39 AM   #11 
  - The difference is that the Americans who liberated France  Lydia Leftcoast   Apr-28-07 12:25 PM   #21 
  - First of all, it isn't a desecration  LiberalEsto   Apr-28-07 06:38 PM   #23 
  - Why the fuck should ordinary Russian Estonians have to leave their home country?  Dutch   Apr-28-07 06:43 AM   #12 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-28-07 08:54 AM   #14 
     - I'm a she nt  LiberalEsto   Apr-28-07 07:30 PM   #27 
     - Nothing wrong with their maintaining their own language and culture, but  Lydia Leftcoast   Apr-28-07 09:56 AM   #15 
     - Correct...and I should know...I live in Estonia. But thankfully I'm in the US  goodboy   Apr-28-07 11:24 AM   #17 
     - I'm NOT saying they have to leave Estonia  LiberalEsto   Apr-28-07 07:03 PM   #24 
     - re your comments re ordinary russians  mouse1   Apr-30-07 01:14 PM   #30 
  - Fresh clashes over Estonia statue (300 detained)  muriel_volestrangler   Apr-28-07 05:27 AM   #10 
  - Small state, big neighbours, population of mixed ethnicity  fedsron2us   Apr-28-07 10:43 AM   #16 
  - Some video of rioting in Tallinn...(youtube)  goodboy   Apr-28-07 11:37 AM   #19 
  - Putin anger as Estonia row boils  Eugene   Apr-28-07 12:20 PM   #20 
  - Good old Putin the ex KGB agent  LiberalEsto   Apr-28-07 07:09 PM   #25 
  - Fuck Russia  Odin2005   Apr-28-07 05:33 PM   #22 

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