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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 04:01 PM
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1. isn't it just marvellous

when you have a agenda that is advanced by the murders of 32 people?

I wish I had an agenda like that ...

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  -Pro-gun lobby strengthened following US campus shooting rodeodance  Apr-22-07 03:57 PM   #0 
  - isn't it just marvellous  iverglas   Apr-22-07 04:01 PM   #1 
  - Really now  Praw   Apr-22-07 07:29 PM   #36 
  - hmm. The agenda of the "gun banners" being  iverglas   Apr-23-07 09:15 AM   #104 
  - The rednecks to the rescue! nt  VegasWolf   Apr-22-07 08:35 PM   #60 
  - That post almost broke my brain.  Nabeshin   Apr-23-07 02:03 AM   #89 
  - but cereally now  iverglas   Apr-22-07 04:03 PM   #2 
  - College students and professors aren't going to carry guns around...  onehandle   Apr-22-07 04:12 PM   #3 
  - That's why this argument is so stupid.  fidgeting wildly   Apr-22-07 04:57 PM   #11 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Apr-22-07 06:56 PM   #32 
  - Even if it was a little easier to carry a gun in VA and they did, people would still have died.  mcg   Apr-22-07 08:02 PM   #43 
     - Not quite  Praw   Apr-22-07 08:23 PM   #50 
        - Yes, quite.  mcg   Apr-22-07 09:07 PM   #72 
           - well, as it was  northzax   Apr-23-07 01:23 AM   #80 
              - "Automatic" pistols?  Nabeshin   Apr-23-07 01:56 AM   #86 
              - 'automatic' is the customary shorthand  northzax   Apr-23-07 02:36 AM   #93 
                 - With the gun jargon police,  porque no   Apr-23-07 10:38 PM   #113 
              - You say that you could easily purchase drugs....  S_B_Jackson   Apr-24-07 12:02 AM   #123 
                 - no, because if I was looking for drugs  northzax   Apr-24-07 02:29 AM   #124 
  - "Nail in the coffin."  Fierce   Apr-22-07 04:13 PM   #4 
  - Utter BS  nebula   Apr-22-07 04:21 PM   #5 
  - Indeed, a good background check was absent,  mcg   Apr-22-07 07:15 PM   #35 
  - There are 2 people to blame in this case.  TX-RAT   Apr-23-07 08:20 AM   #101 
     - More than 2 people, and no, it isn't.  mcg   Apr-23-07 09:36 PM   #112 
  - However, there was such a law...  tidy_bowl   Apr-23-07 09:49 AM   #105 
  - Not so  michreject   Apr-23-07 10:12 AM   #108 
     - Not easy to do  nebula   Apr-23-07 11:34 PM   #120 
        - I'm not obsessed  michreject   Apr-24-07 07:15 AM   #126 
  - GOP-style psy-ops/newspeak  villager   Apr-22-07 04:28 PM   #6 
  - ex-actly.  wtmusic   Apr-22-07 04:37 PM   #7 
  - I love Schumer  hogwyld   Apr-23-07 10:09 AM   #107 
  - Ding ding ding: "gun advocates said." (Sounds self-serving to me.)  Festivito   Apr-23-07 03:12 AM   #95 
  - Right On!  porque no   Apr-23-07 10:46 PM   #114 
  - A lot of pre-emptive yowling is what it is...  annabanana   Apr-22-07 04:40 PM   #8 
  - paranoid schizophrenics ought not to have easy access to firearms..  TX-RAT   Apr-23-07 08:23 AM   #102 
  - The Democratic Party says, "We will protect Americans' Second Amendment right to own firearms". n/t  jody   Apr-22-07 04:46 PM   #9 
  - Heck most of the Democrats I know  virginia mountainman   Apr-22-07 04:52 PM   #10 
  - grass roots at its best!!  iverglas   Apr-22-07 05:39 PM   #17 
  - I own a gun and *I* didn't vote for Gore or Kerry  skipos   Apr-22-07 06:34 PM   #26 
  - g'day g'day  iverglas   Apr-22-07 08:17 PM   #47 
  - NRA Astroturf is more likely. n/t  Bridget Burke   Apr-23-07 07:26 AM   #98 
  - Ah the pathological sickness of gun love  ProudDad   Apr-22-07 09:00 PM   #70 
  - "gun advocates said"  rusty charly   Apr-22-07 05:00 PM   #12 
  - Back in the day  Turbineguy   Apr-22-07 05:01 PM   #13 
  - Do you know the Democratic Platform says We will protect Americans' Second Amendment rights?  jody   Apr-22-07 05:21 PM   #14 
     - I am in favor of the Second Amendment as written.  Turbineguy   Apr-22-07 06:49 PM   #31 
        - Incorrect  Praw   Apr-22-07 07:07 PM   #33 
        - I gotta say that you can't have it both ways,  porque no   Apr-23-07 10:51 PM   #115 
        - Interesting view however a majority in congress passed Public Law no 109-092 with a different view.  jody   Apr-22-07 07:14 PM   #34 
        - I'll admit,  Turbineguy   Apr-22-07 08:19 PM   #48 
        - IMO the problem is balancing your fear against the right of a law-abiding citizen's to self-defense.  jody   Apr-23-07 07:02 AM   #97 
        - You gun folk keep placing the responsibility on those of us  porque no   Apr-23-07 11:03 PM   #117 
           - Law-abiding citizens do police ourselves, that's what self-defense means. Police are not obligated  jody   Apr-24-07 06:59 AM   #125 
        - According to the average gun worshiper,  porque no   Apr-23-07 10:57 PM   #116 
        - The supreme court  Mojorabbit   Apr-23-07 01:34 AM   #84 
        - The militia clause is a justification for the amendment...  Nabeshin   Apr-23-07 02:08 AM   #91 
  - Are they also advocating the ENFORCEMENT of existing gun control laws,  Kajsa   Apr-22-07 05:21 PM   #15 
  - Cho was not deemed a danger to others & under BATF guidelines he was not reported to NICS. n/t  jody   Apr-22-07 05:31 PM   #16 
     - OMG!  Kajsa   Apr-22-07 05:42 PM   #19 
        - LA Times link below.  jody   Apr-22-07 05:56 PM   #22 
           - Thanks!  Kajsa   Apr-22-07 06:02 PM   #23 
           - That's what happens when the local police aren't involved in granting handgun permits  brentspeak   Apr-22-07 09:22 PM   #77 
              - Interesting view. How could someone defend them self against a false accusation? n/t  jody   Apr-23-07 12:43 PM   #110 
  - Not surprising. Americans REALLY ARE stupid enough to believe that more guns = less violence.  BlooInBloo   Apr-22-07 05:42 PM   #18 
  - Odd..  virginia mountainman   Apr-22-07 05:52 PM   #20 
  - Well that cinches it! Everywhere is like your house! ROFL!  BlooInBloo   Apr-22-07 05:54 PM   #21 
  - Mine is  michreject   Apr-23-07 10:19 AM   #109 
  - You appear to be part of the problem  ProudDad   Apr-22-07 09:01 PM   #71 
  - If there were no crime, then law-abiding citizens would not need arms for self-defense but then RKBA  jody   Apr-22-07 06:08 PM   #24 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Apr-22-07 07:30 PM   #37 
  - to paraphrase an Australianism  anakie   Apr-22-07 06:25 PM   #25 
  - Agree 100%  irislake   Apr-22-07 06:41 PM   #28 
  - I can't figure it out.  rodeodance   Apr-22-07 07:54 PM   #39 
  - It's called "American Exceptionalism"  depakid   Apr-22-07 08:10 PM   #45 
     - Interesting  wtmusic   Apr-23-07 01:26 AM   #81 
        - I don't know about a "genetic" connection  JustABozoOnThisBus   Apr-23-07 07:44 AM   #100 
  - funny how Al Queda was also strengthened following 911  Magic Rat   Apr-22-07 06:38 PM   #27 
  - It seems like everything that happens in this country strngthens the evil parts  TOJ   Apr-22-07 06:41 PM   #29 
  - gun owners can be like  Magic Rat   Apr-22-07 06:43 PM   #30 
  - Oh, bullshit. These jerks always pipe up when things like this happen  depakid   Apr-22-07 07:50 PM   #38 
  - I have read most of your posts Pro-Gun and Anti-Gun  MadMaddie   Apr-22-07 07:56 PM   #40 
  - All of the major polls say the same thing  Praw   Apr-22-07 07:58 PM   #41 
  - Really?  depakid   Apr-22-07 08:02 PM   #42 
  - Maybe a poll question should be....  mcg   Apr-22-07 08:07 PM   #44 
  - Someone who has been adjudicated as mentally unfit, threat to others, shouldn't be free in society  Praw   Apr-22-07 08:29 PM   #54 
     - True, but that doesn't cover all cases.  mcg   Apr-22-07 08:48 PM   #66 
     - I agree.  onehandle   Apr-22-07 09:07 PM   #73 
     - Now we gotta round up all the unstable cause otherwise  porque no   Apr-23-07 11:34 PM   #119 
  - Sure. Here are some...  Praw   Apr-22-07 08:15 PM   #46 
  - Those aren't scientific polls  daleo   Apr-22-07 08:22 PM   #49 
  - Care to present a scientific poll, then?  Praw   Apr-22-07 08:27 PM   #52 
     - "all of the major polls" are your words, it's up to you to back that up  0rganism   Apr-22-07 08:30 PM   #56 
     - I did  Praw   Apr-22-07 08:45 PM   #64 
        - the hell you did  0rganism   Apr-22-07 09:23 PM   #78 
        - Are you for real?  porque no   Apr-23-07 11:37 PM   #121 
     - Yes, Gallup poll.  mcg   Apr-22-07 08:45 PM   #65 
     - I am not necessarily taking a position on the debate  daleo   Apr-22-07 11:13 PM   #79 
  - "Lopsided" indeed. And "unscientific"...  Diogenes2   Apr-22-07 08:26 PM   #51 
  - I'm still waiting  Praw   Apr-22-07 08:30 PM   #55 
     - is January 9, 2007 recent enough?  northzax   Apr-23-07 01:32 AM   #83 
  - big differences between "all major polls" and "a handful of online polls"  0rganism   Apr-22-07 08:28 PM   #53 
  - "that doesn't mean they don't have SOME bearing on public opinion"...I agree  Praw   Apr-22-07 08:32 PM   #58 
  - I kinda figured that's what you'd cite- internet polls  depakid   Apr-22-07 08:30 PM   #57 
     - gallup poll, more gun control loses 47% to 49%  Praw   Apr-22-07 08:34 PM   #59 
        - Gotta do better than Gallup- it's not a credible organization  depakid   Apr-22-07 08:36 PM   #62 
        - Who would be a good source?  Praw   Apr-22-07 08:38 PM   #63 
        - I hate to cite the Post (I really, really do) but they just had a rundown  depakid   Apr-22-07 08:51 PM   #67 
        - Did you even READ the page you posted?  0rganism   Apr-22-07 09:10 PM   #75 
        - It's not a Gallup poll, it's AP-Ipsos, and the split is 47% stricter, 11% reduced, 38% as-is  0rganism   Apr-22-07 09:16 PM   #76 
        - Praw, the poll on that page doesn't say what you want it to say  0rganism   Apr-22-07 09:00 PM   #69 
        - look at those numbers again  northzax   Apr-23-07 01:36 AM   #85 
        - Way too vague to be of any use in crafting specific new laws  slackmaster   Apr-23-07 02:01 AM   #88 
        - Nice selective excerpt...  silvermachine   Apr-23-07 09:59 AM   #106 
  - No, of course not "really", but  porque no   Apr-23-07 11:29 PM   #118 
  - Than by all means, the neo-lib geniuses speaking for all Democrats should increase their rhetoric  MGD   Apr-23-07 03:10 AM   #94 
  - Absolutely.  wtmusic   Apr-23-07 01:28 AM   #82 
  - Well said MadMaddie  slackmaster   Apr-23-07 02:00 AM   #87 
  - Every time something awful happens, they trot out that old one  JerseygirlCT   Apr-22-07 08:35 PM   #61 
  - I Promise to  ProudDad   Apr-22-07 08:58 PM   #68 
  - ProudDad threatens violence against people who are trying to defend themselves  slackmaster   Apr-23-07 02:03 AM   #90 
  - I find his statement hilarious!  Nabeshin   Apr-23-07 02:15 AM   #92 
     - I find it bordering on insane and suicidal.  MGD   Apr-23-07 03:18 AM   #96 
     - He probably hasn't given a moment's thought to who he'd be beating up  slackmaster   Apr-23-07 07:29 AM   #99 
  - Not a wise move, but it's your life.  TX-RAT   Apr-23-07 08:42 AM   #103 
  - Careful ProudDad, the "nuts"  porque no   Apr-23-07 11:49 PM   #122 
  - This is maddness. eom  bluerum   Apr-22-07 09:10 PM   #74 
     - This is Sparta!  scrinmaster   Apr-23-07 03:52 PM   #111 
 

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