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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-30-07 10:20 AM
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17. I would suspect it's going down well.
The woman was weak and snivelling; not good for the Brits, but she's a woman, so all that shows is that the British military is stupid and desperate.

But having the men be as weak and snivelling as the woman? It shows that the British military isn't composed of men; the Iranians are standing up by rejecting international norms on displaying hostages as things--that, and taking British military folk hostage show they're strong, and insist on increasing their honor ... the Iranian military is composed of real men. And if you read Islamist writings, you see that "honor" and "manhood" and the like are every bit a part of their Islam as Muhammed (who, himself, was steeped in a retrograde honor culture). Those that have no honor don't need to be dealt with as men, or even as humans.

Dishonoring outsiders is a given if they have an "incorrect attitude" and don't properly submit; if they come as supplicants, as guests, then it's ok to give them honor--the honor given increases the honor of the giver. But having outsiders dishonor those in your group is horrible, and must be avenged; for a Muslim to torture a Muslim is bad enough, but for an outsider to insult a Muslim is far worse. It's possible for an outsider to thoroughly smack down a Muslim and Arab, but it had better be in just the right way or all it does is increase the sense of hurt honor and injustice that is already so rampant in the Middle East; even worse is the fact that honor pertains not just to individuals, but is derived from group identity, whether family, clan, tribe, nationality or religion. ("Just the right way" has yet to be found, however, which makes dealing with such cultures a losing game: it's why genocide was the norm in most places until recently.)
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  - BBC coverage:  Taxloss   Mar-30-07 07:33 AM   #1 
  - AP: Iran broadcasts British sailor's apology By NASSER KARIMI, Associated Press Writer  maddezmom   Mar-30-07 07:34 AM   #2 
  - Tehran raises the stakes in hostage crisis: Second 'confession' letter released questioning UK's  Taxloss   Mar-30-07 07:35 AM   #3 
  - I'm quite certain this was a "confession"....  ALiberalSailor   Mar-30-07 07:37 AM   #4 
  - Have they been trained by the CIA?  Henny Penny   Mar-30-07 07:50 AM   #5 
     - If they picked up their skills from Savak, then yes, I suppose.  Taxloss   Mar-30-07 07:58 AM   #6 
     - Sorry Taxloss... but who or what is Savak? n/t  Henny Penny   Mar-30-07 08:55 AM   #12 
        - The Shah's secret police.  Taxloss   Mar-30-07 09:06 AM   #13 
           - Not that *other* Saavik, right?  yibbehobba   Mar-30-07 10:37 AM   #20 
     - Probably, but does that make it right for Iran?  William769   Mar-30-07 08:00 AM   #7 
        - Absolutely not!  Henny Penny   Mar-30-07 08:53 AM   #11 
           - That's a very, very good point...  Hobarticus   Mar-30-07 09:30 AM   #15 
           - Torture takes many forms; some do not require physical abuse  Psephos   Mar-30-07 10:09 AM   #16 
           - I doubt if there has actually been torture  daleo   Mar-30-07 10:58 AM   #24 
              - Good points  Psephos   Mar-31-07 12:34 AM   #26 
           - I would suspect it's going down well.  igil   Mar-30-07 10:20 AM   #17 
           - I don't think they've been tortured either, but  cali   Mar-30-07 10:38 AM   #21 
           - no sign of torture?  DanWithAngel   Mar-30-07 10:46 AM   #23 
  - What the hell? Do they want WWIII?  Evergreen Emerald   Mar-30-07 08:11 AM   #8 
  - Iran is digging itself into a hole  Anarcho-Socialist   Mar-30-07 08:20 AM   #9 
  - I'm not so sure about that  RogueTrooper   Mar-30-07 08:24 AM   #10 
  - The question is, however, just what is it they're doing?  igil   Mar-30-07 10:23 AM   #18 
  - Iran is jerking Tony's chain, hard.  bemildred   Mar-30-07 09:19 AM   #14 
     - Brit tabloid yanks the Iranian nutjobs chain right back  ohio2007   Apr-10-07 11:01 AM   #29 
        - Iran planning documentary on British "confessions"  bemildred   Apr-10-07 11:14 AM   #30 
  - I wonder if  GTRMAN   Mar-30-07 10:26 AM   #19 
  - The Brits were already a bit miffed...  Baclava   Mar-30-07 10:43 AM   #22 
  - What's the British hostage's reward for "apologizing"? He gets to keep his left hand another day?  brentspeak   Mar-30-07 01:58 PM   #25 
  - Miffed about Iran violating the Geneva Convention  burrowowl   Mar-31-07 12:37 AM   #27 
     - You should question Saudi Arabia about that one. Most 'enemy combatants'  ohio2007   Apr-10-07 09:07 AM   #28 

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