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101. Well then what's all this nonsense about "mandatory?"
Smells like bullshit to me.
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  -(Massachusetts) Patrick seeks $72m hike in health aid (includes Gardasil coverage) Bill McBlueState  Feb-26-07 03:16 PM   #0 
  - So long as it's optional.  R_M   Feb-26-07 03:25 PM   #1 
  - Why all this worry about optional?  depakid   Feb-26-07 03:29 PM   #2 
  - GOD DAMN IT!  R_M   Feb-26-07 03:32 PM   #3 
  - There you go again with the "guinea pig" meme  depakid   Feb-26-07 03:52 PM   #4 
  - Give it a break.  R_M   Feb-26-07 03:54 PM   #5 
  - Ah  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 03:56 PM   #7 
     - I do NOT want this vaccine!  R_M   Feb-26-07 03:57 PM   #8 
        - Obviously.  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 03:59 PM   #10 
           - Leftists are just as bad a rightists.  R_M   Feb-26-07 04:00 PM   #12 
              - LOL  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 04:00 PM   #13 
              - You can refuse it all you want-  depakid   Feb-26-07 04:49 PM   #34 
                 - Cervical cancer kills 4000+ each year..  R_M   Feb-26-07 04:52 PM   #37 
  - This is an issue among all who consider GARDASIL's  mhatrw   Feb-26-07 05:54 PM   #65 
     - Remember DES? Three cousins of mine are...  AX10   Feb-26-07 05:55 PM   #67 
        - Not in Big Pharma La La Land, it seems.  mhatrw   Feb-26-07 06:02 PM   #72 
           - Good one!  AX10   Feb-26-07 06:03 PM   #73 
           - Again with the "must" misconception.  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 06:11 PM   #82 
           - What's the deal with pretending that "mandatory" means "voluntary"?  mhatrw   Feb-26-07 06:13 PM   #87 
              - I'm not the one making an issue out of it being optional.  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 06:14 PM   #89 
                 - If you want it to be optional, why do you say "mandatory"?  mhatrw   Feb-26-07 06:20 PM   #94 
                    - I'm not saying mandatory.  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 06:23 PM   #96 
                       - How about just saying "opt in" instead?  mhatrw   Feb-26-07 06:52 PM   #106 
                          - Opt out is better.  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 07:16 PM   #125 
                             - And if this vaccine turns out to have worse risks than benefits?  mhatrw   Feb-26-07 07:26 PM   #134 
                                - Well then I'll eat my hat.  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 07:27 PM   #135 
                                   - Wild conspiracy theories? You mean like Vioxx?  mhatrw   Feb-26-07 07:31 PM   #139 
                                      - DES, DPT...  AX10   Feb-26-07 07:33 PM   #140 
                                      - No.  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 07:34 PM   #141 
           - I reckon you also reject the British MHRA, Health Canada and  depakid   Feb-26-07 06:12 PM   #84 
              - Yes, this group of anglo nations is perfectly trustworthy when it comes  mhatrw   Feb-26-07 06:18 PM   #92 
                 - Anglo nations? What about the Franco nations?  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 06:20 PM   #93 
                 - Or the World Health Organization  depakid   Feb-26-07 06:46 PM   #100 
                 - Sounds like a case for public health education.  depakid   Feb-26-07 07:05 PM   #112 
                    - Education is great. Propaganda is not. Compulsion is even worse. n/t  mhatrw   Feb-26-07 07:17 PM   #127 
                       - Who said anything about compulsion?  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 07:21 PM   #130 
                       - I sense  depakid   Feb-26-07 07:30 PM   #137 
  - Indeed.  yibbehobba   Feb-26-07 05:51 PM   #62 
     - Well, cervical cancer obviously is misunderstood by the loud  mhatrw   Feb-26-07 05:56 PM   #69 
        - There's hard proof...  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 06:13 PM   #85 
           - No, it is not at all like that.  mhatrw   Feb-26-07 06:59 PM   #109 
  - Why all this worry about if it IS optional?  mhatrw   Feb-26-07 05:51 PM   #61 
     - Thank you for showing up.  AX10   Feb-26-07 05:52 PM   #63 
     - Are you saying that it's not optional?  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 06:13 PM   #88 
        - I'm saying that if it is optional, why is it called "mandatory"?  mhatrw   Feb-26-07 06:22 PM   #95 
           - Why be disingenuous?  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 06:25 PM   #97 
              - No. Tetanus vaccinations have been around since the 1920s.  mhatrw   Feb-26-07 07:02 PM   #111 
                 - How long is a long enough wait for you, mhatrw?  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 07:08 PM   #115 
                    - Let's wait until there is a SHRED of evidence that GARDASIL actually  mhatrw   Feb-26-07 07:13 PM   #121 
                       - Six to ten years down the road, eh?  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 07:20 PM   #129 
                       - Let's wait to see how many tens of thousands more women suffer and die  depakid   Feb-26-07 07:22 PM   #131 
                          - Sorry to burst your fundamentalist bubble, but science is not black and white.  mhatrw   Feb-26-07 07:29 PM   #136 
                             - The science is rather clear on this.  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 07:30 PM   #138 
  - It's always been optional.  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 03:55 PM   #6 
     - I call BULLSHIT!  R_M   Feb-26-07 03:58 PM   #9 
     - No one's ever been in favor of forced vaccination.  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 03:59 PM   #11 
        - You suddenly forgot about those threads where your minions were...  R_M   Feb-26-07 04:03 PM   #14 
           - Rick Perry's program was always optional.  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 04:03 PM   #15 
              - Then why is there an "opt out" option" instead of an "opt in" option?  R_M   Feb-26-07 04:04 PM   #16 
                 - So that more people get the vaccine.  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 04:04 PM   #17 
                    - And why does the government use the term mandate?  R_M   Feb-26-07 04:07 PM   #18 
                       - Why do you use the term mandate?  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 04:08 PM   #19 
                          - Because Depakid (your side) used the term!  R_M   Feb-26-07 04:11 PM   #20 
                             - Is that why you're using it?  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 04:13 PM   #21 
                             - You are skirting around the question.  R_M   Feb-26-07 04:16 PM   #22 
                                - Are you suggesting that depakid...  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 04:18 PM   #23 
                                   - That's what it sounds like.  R_M   Feb-26-07 04:18 PM   #24 
                                      - Funny that you mention "quacks."  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 04:23 PM   #25 
                                         - You are now attacking me because you have nothing left.  R_M   Feb-26-07 04:26 PM   #26 
                                            - I'm attacking you?  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 04:29 PM   #27 
                                               - I got one of those. You see, we are not anti-vaccine...  R_M   Feb-26-07 04:31 PM   #28 
                                               - But you're not against mandating this vaccine....  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 04:33 PM   #29 
                                               - Cervical cancer is NOT an epidemic.  R_M   Feb-26-07 04:35 PM   #30 
                                               - No, but HPV is an epidemic.  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 04:37 PM   #31 
                                               - How can GARDASIL possibly put an end to the HPV epidemic?  mhatrw   Feb-26-07 06:08 PM   #80 
                                               - I have made no attacks against Depakid, I simply used his...  R_M   Feb-26-07 04:43 PM   #32 
                                               - Are you familiar with the term "strawman?"  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 04:47 PM   #33 
                                               - This is not a strawman, it is a fact.  R_M   Feb-26-07 04:51 PM   #35 
                                               - It is a fact...  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 04:52 PM   #36 
                                               - Not "forced", but "mandated".  R_M   Feb-26-07 04:54 PM   #38 
                                               - As in Perry's program.  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 04:54 PM   #39 
                                               - LOL.  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 06:05 PM   #77 
                             - Unfortunately, you don't know what mandates I referred to  depakid   Feb-26-07 04:56 PM   #40 
                                - Of course this is semantics...  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 04:58 PM   #41 
                                - Americans just amaze me  depakid   Feb-26-07 04:59 PM   #43 
                                - Yeah, other Western countries...  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 05:01 PM   #46 
                                - Funny that you should speak of the "mentally ill".  AX10   Feb-26-07 05:23 PM   #50 
                                - OH MY GOD!  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 05:25 PM   #52 
                                   - Clinton was one Hell of a President, I have no problem with that...  AX10   Feb-26-07 05:27 PM   #54 
                                - Obviously we have some catching up to do in the US. n/t  yibbehobba   Feb-26-07 05:53 PM   #64 
                                - Maybe you should limit your kids to having sex with other Big Pharmabots?  mhatrw   Feb-26-07 06:11 PM   #83 
                                   - bad should be in quotation marks...  AX10   Feb-26-07 06:13 PM   #86 
                                - "Semantics"?  R_M   Feb-26-07 04:59 PM   #44 
                                   - You might want to check your dictionary.  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 05:02 PM   #48 
                                - Your friend is wrong than. You are for mandates.  R_M   Feb-26-07 04:59 PM   #42 
                                   - You think so?  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 05:00 PM   #45 
                                   - ???  depakid   Feb-26-07 05:02 PM   #47 
                                      - Again, you are showing just how blinded you are by Science.  AX10   Feb-26-07 05:21 PM   #49 
                                         - Once again you're blinded by puritanism.  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 05:24 PM   #51 
                                         - Your smear is just that.  AX10   Feb-26-07 05:26 PM   #53 
                                            - It's right there for everybody to see.  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 05:28 PM   #55 
                                               - And here is the BULLSHIT answer.  AX10   Feb-26-07 05:31 PM   #56 
                                               - Are you expecting to be taken seriously?  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 05:31 PM   #57 
                                               - After all of what?  AX10   Feb-26-07 05:43 PM   #58 
                                               - Well, let's see...  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 05:46 PM   #59 
                                               - Because you don't agree with me.  AX10   Feb-26-07 05:49 PM   #60 
                                         - Science is just a method  depakid   Feb-26-07 05:55 PM   #66 
                                            - Your scientific conclusions versus other scientific conclusions.  AX10   Feb-26-07 05:56 PM   #68 
                                               - There's scientific disagreement...  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 05:59 PM   #70 
                                               - We have a scientific disagreement here.  AX10   Feb-26-07 05:59 PM   #71 
                                               - No, we don't.  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 06:04 PM   #76 
                                               - Other "sciences???"  depakid   Feb-26-07 06:04 PM   #75 
     - Then why not make it opt in? You would then get rid of the issue.  mhatrw   Feb-26-07 06:04 PM   #74 
        - No, that wouldn't get rid of the issue  depakid   Feb-26-07 06:06 PM   #78 
        - Because you for mandating it.  AX10   Feb-26-07 06:08 PM   #81 
        - We're for an opt out program.  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 06:16 PM   #91 
           - I simply advocate placing it on the immunization schedule that parents  depakid   Feb-26-07 06:36 PM   #98 
           - We are for an opt in program.  AX10   Feb-26-07 06:42 PM   #99 
              - Well then what's all this nonsense about "mandatory?"  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 06:47 PM   #101 
              - That's what the current flawed law says.  AX10   Feb-26-07 06:49 PM   #103 
                 - No, AX10...  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 07:07 PM   #114 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-26-07 06:49 PM   #102 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-26-07 06:50 PM   #104 
                 - It's a perfectly valid frame  depakid   Feb-26-07 06:56 PM   #107 
                    - The vaccine has not been proven over the long run term.  AX10   Feb-26-07 07:00 PM   #110 
                       - Real doctors and scientists disagree with you.  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 07:09 PM   #117 
                       - Certain Doctors and Scientists agree with you and certain ones..  AX10   Feb-26-07 07:10 PM   #119 
                          - How long, AX10?  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 07:12 PM   #120 
                             - When you answer my question regarding the mandates.  AX10   Feb-26-07 07:13 PM   #122 
                                - I answered your questions.  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 07:15 PM   #124 
                       - The efficacy of the vaccine has been thoroughly tested with large "n's"  depakid   Feb-26-07 07:10 PM   #118 
                 - So not saying "How high?" when Big Pharma says "Jump!" is  mhatrw   Feb-26-07 07:23 PM   #132 
                    - Letting a kid get a disease...  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 07:25 PM   #133 
        - So, the problem comes down to not enough sheep to fully immunize the herd?  mhatrw   Feb-26-07 07:06 PM   #113 
           - Why is it always about sex?  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 07:18 PM   #128 
              - You see, if you didn't have sex with everyone you met...  AX10   Feb-26-07 07:36 PM   #142 
        - Because opt out is preferable.  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-07 06:07 PM   #79 
           - How about if we make women "opt out" of annual HPV screenings?  mhatrw   Feb-26-07 06:50 PM   #105 
              - At least you might consider being honest  depakid   Feb-26-07 06:58 PM   #108 
                 - It is largely untested on it targeted population. It is completely  mhatrw   Feb-26-07 07:09 PM   #116 
                    - That's untrue- and also utter sophistry  depakid   Feb-26-07 07:17 PM   #126 
  - I would be willing to be that this Governor also has Merk stock.  sarcasmo   Feb-26-07 06:15 PM   #90 
  - Find out and let us know.  Bill McBlueState   Feb-26-07 07:14 PM   #123 
  - Locking  mcscajun   Feb-26-07 07:36 PM   #143 
 

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