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Mon Feb-26-07 03:25 PM
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| 1. So long as it's optional. |
| -(Massachusetts) Patrick seeks $72m hike in health aid (includes Gardasil coverage) |
Bill McBlueState |
Feb-26-07 03:16 PM |
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So long as it's optional. |
R_M |
Feb-26-07 03:25 PM |
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Why all this worry about optional? |
depakid |
Feb-26-07 03:29 PM |
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GOD DAMN IT! |
R_M |
Feb-26-07 03:32 PM |
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There you go again with the "guinea pig" meme |
depakid |
Feb-26-07 03:52 PM |
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Give it a break. |
R_M |
Feb-26-07 03:54 PM |
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Ah |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 03:56 PM |
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I do NOT want this vaccine! |
R_M |
Feb-26-07 03:57 PM |
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Obviously. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 03:59 PM |
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Leftists are just as bad a rightists. |
R_M |
Feb-26-07 04:00 PM |
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LOL |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 04:00 PM |
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You can refuse it all you want- |
depakid |
Feb-26-07 04:49 PM |
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Cervical cancer kills 4000+ each year.. |
R_M |
Feb-26-07 04:52 PM |
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This is an issue among all who consider GARDASIL's |
mhatrw |
Feb-26-07 05:54 PM |
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Remember DES? Three cousins of mine are... |
AX10 |
Feb-26-07 05:55 PM |
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Not in Big Pharma La La Land, it seems. |
mhatrw |
Feb-26-07 06:02 PM |
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Good one! |
AX10 |
Feb-26-07 06:03 PM |
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Again with the "must" misconception. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 06:11 PM |
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What's the deal with pretending that "mandatory" means "voluntary"? |
mhatrw |
Feb-26-07 06:13 PM |
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I'm not the one making an issue out of it being optional. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 06:14 PM |
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If you want it to be optional, why do you say "mandatory"? |
mhatrw |
Feb-26-07 06:20 PM |
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I'm not saying mandatory. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 06:23 PM |
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How about just saying "opt in" instead? |
mhatrw |
Feb-26-07 06:52 PM |
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Opt out is better. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 07:16 PM |
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And if this vaccine turns out to have worse risks than benefits? |
mhatrw |
Feb-26-07 07:26 PM |
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Well then I'll eat my hat. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 07:27 PM |
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Wild conspiracy theories? You mean like Vioxx? |
mhatrw |
Feb-26-07 07:31 PM |
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DES, DPT... |
AX10 |
Feb-26-07 07:33 PM |
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No. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 07:34 PM |
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I reckon you also reject the British MHRA, Health Canada and |
depakid |
Feb-26-07 06:12 PM |
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Yes, this group of anglo nations is perfectly trustworthy when it comes |
mhatrw |
Feb-26-07 06:18 PM |
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Anglo nations? What about the Franco nations? |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 06:20 PM |
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Or the World Health Organization |
depakid |
Feb-26-07 06:46 PM |
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Sounds like a case for public health education. |
depakid |
Feb-26-07 07:05 PM |
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Education is great. Propaganda is not. Compulsion is even worse. n/t |
mhatrw |
Feb-26-07 07:17 PM |
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Who said anything about compulsion? |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 07:21 PM |
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I sense |
depakid |
Feb-26-07 07:30 PM |
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Indeed. |
yibbehobba |
Feb-26-07 05:51 PM |
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Well, cervical cancer obviously is misunderstood by the loud |
mhatrw |
Feb-26-07 05:56 PM |
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There's hard proof... |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 06:13 PM |
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No, it is not at all like that. |
mhatrw |
Feb-26-07 06:59 PM |
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Why all this worry about if it IS optional? |
mhatrw |
Feb-26-07 05:51 PM |
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Thank you for showing up. |
AX10 |
Feb-26-07 05:52 PM |
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Are you saying that it's not optional? |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 06:13 PM |
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I'm saying that if it is optional, why is it called "mandatory"? |
mhatrw |
Feb-26-07 06:22 PM |
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Why be disingenuous? |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 06:25 PM |
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No. Tetanus vaccinations have been around since the 1920s. |
mhatrw |
Feb-26-07 07:02 PM |
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How long is a long enough wait for you, mhatrw? |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 07:08 PM |
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Let's wait until there is a SHRED of evidence that GARDASIL actually |
mhatrw |
Feb-26-07 07:13 PM |
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Six to ten years down the road, eh? |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 07:20 PM |
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Let's wait to see how many tens of thousands more women suffer and die |
depakid |
Feb-26-07 07:22 PM |
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Sorry to burst your fundamentalist bubble, but science is not black and white. |
mhatrw |
Feb-26-07 07:29 PM |
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The science is rather clear on this. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 07:30 PM |
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It's always been optional. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 03:55 PM |
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I call BULLSHIT! |
R_M |
Feb-26-07 03:58 PM |
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No one's ever been in favor of forced vaccination. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 03:59 PM |
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You suddenly forgot about those threads where your minions were... |
R_M |
Feb-26-07 04:03 PM |
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Rick Perry's program was always optional. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 04:03 PM |
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Then why is there an "opt out" option" instead of an "opt in" option? |
R_M |
Feb-26-07 04:04 PM |
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So that more people get the vaccine. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 04:04 PM |
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And why does the government use the term mandate? |
R_M |
Feb-26-07 04:07 PM |
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Why do you use the term mandate? |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 04:08 PM |
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Because Depakid (your side) used the term! |
R_M |
Feb-26-07 04:11 PM |
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Is that why you're using it? |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 04:13 PM |
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You are skirting around the question. |
R_M |
Feb-26-07 04:16 PM |
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Are you suggesting that depakid... |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 04:18 PM |
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That's what it sounds like. |
R_M |
Feb-26-07 04:18 PM |
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Funny that you mention "quacks." |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 04:23 PM |
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You are now attacking me because you have nothing left. |
R_M |
Feb-26-07 04:26 PM |
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I'm attacking you? |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 04:29 PM |
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I got one of those. You see, we are not anti-vaccine... |
R_M |
Feb-26-07 04:31 PM |
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But you're not against mandating this vaccine.... |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 04:33 PM |
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Cervical cancer is NOT an epidemic. |
R_M |
Feb-26-07 04:35 PM |
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No, but HPV is an epidemic. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 04:37 PM |
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How can GARDASIL possibly put an end to the HPV epidemic? |
mhatrw |
Feb-26-07 06:08 PM |
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I have made no attacks against Depakid, I simply used his... |
R_M |
Feb-26-07 04:43 PM |
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Are you familiar with the term "strawman?" |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 04:47 PM |
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This is not a strawman, it is a fact. |
R_M |
Feb-26-07 04:51 PM |
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It is a fact... |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 04:52 PM |
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Not "forced", but "mandated". |
R_M |
Feb-26-07 04:54 PM |
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As in Perry's program. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 04:54 PM |
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LOL. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 06:05 PM |
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Unfortunately, you don't know what mandates I referred to |
depakid |
Feb-26-07 04:56 PM |
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Of course this is semantics... |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 04:58 PM |
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Americans just amaze me |
depakid |
Feb-26-07 04:59 PM |
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Yeah, other Western countries... |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 05:01 PM |
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Funny that you should speak of the "mentally ill". |
AX10 |
Feb-26-07 05:23 PM |
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OH MY GOD! |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 05:25 PM |
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Clinton was one Hell of a President, I have no problem with that... |
AX10 |
Feb-26-07 05:27 PM |
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Obviously we have some catching up to do in the US. n/t |
yibbehobba |
Feb-26-07 05:53 PM |
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Maybe you should limit your kids to having sex with other Big Pharmabots? |
mhatrw |
Feb-26-07 06:11 PM |
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bad should be in quotation marks... |
AX10 |
Feb-26-07 06:13 PM |
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"Semantics"? |
R_M |
Feb-26-07 04:59 PM |
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You might want to check your dictionary. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 05:02 PM |
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Your friend is wrong than. You are for mandates. |
R_M |
Feb-26-07 04:59 PM |
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You think so? |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 05:00 PM |
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??? |
depakid |
Feb-26-07 05:02 PM |
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Again, you are showing just how blinded you are by Science. |
AX10 |
Feb-26-07 05:21 PM |
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Once again you're blinded by puritanism. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 05:24 PM |
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Your smear is just that. |
AX10 |
Feb-26-07 05:26 PM |
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It's right there for everybody to see. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 05:28 PM |
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And here is the BULLSHIT answer. |
AX10 |
Feb-26-07 05:31 PM |
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Are you expecting to be taken seriously? |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 05:31 PM |
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After all of what? |
AX10 |
Feb-26-07 05:43 PM |
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Well, let's see... |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 05:46 PM |
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Because you don't agree with me. |
AX10 |
Feb-26-07 05:49 PM |
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Science is just a method |
depakid |
Feb-26-07 05:55 PM |
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Your scientific conclusions versus other scientific conclusions. |
AX10 |
Feb-26-07 05:56 PM |
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There's scientific disagreement... |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 05:59 PM |
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We have a scientific disagreement here. |
AX10 |
Feb-26-07 05:59 PM |
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No, we don't. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 06:04 PM |
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Other "sciences???" |
depakid |
Feb-26-07 06:04 PM |
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Then why not make it opt in? You would then get rid of the issue. |
mhatrw |
Feb-26-07 06:04 PM |
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No, that wouldn't get rid of the issue |
depakid |
Feb-26-07 06:06 PM |
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Because you for mandating it. |
AX10 |
Feb-26-07 06:08 PM |
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We're for an opt out program. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 06:16 PM |
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I simply advocate placing it on the immunization schedule that parents |
depakid |
Feb-26-07 06:36 PM |
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We are for an opt in program. |
AX10 |
Feb-26-07 06:42 PM |
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Well then what's all this nonsense about "mandatory?" |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 06:47 PM |
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That's what the current flawed law says. |
AX10 |
Feb-26-07 06:49 PM |
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No, AX10... |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 07:07 PM |
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Feb-26-07 06:49 PM |
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Feb-26-07 06:50 PM |
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It's a perfectly valid frame |
depakid |
Feb-26-07 06:56 PM |
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The vaccine has not been proven over the long run term. |
AX10 |
Feb-26-07 07:00 PM |
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Real doctors and scientists disagree with you. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 07:09 PM |
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Certain Doctors and Scientists agree with you and certain ones.. |
AX10 |
Feb-26-07 07:10 PM |
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How long, AX10? |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 07:12 PM |
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When you answer my question regarding the mandates. |
AX10 |
Feb-26-07 07:13 PM |
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I answered your questions. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 07:15 PM |
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The efficacy of the vaccine has been thoroughly tested with large "n's" |
depakid |
Feb-26-07 07:10 PM |
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So not saying "How high?" when Big Pharma says "Jump!" is |
mhatrw |
Feb-26-07 07:23 PM |
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Letting a kid get a disease... |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 07:25 PM |
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So, the problem comes down to not enough sheep to fully immunize the herd? |
mhatrw |
Feb-26-07 07:06 PM |
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Why is it always about sex? |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 07:18 PM |
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You see, if you didn't have sex with everyone you met... |
AX10 |
Feb-26-07 07:36 PM |
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Because opt out is preferable. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-26-07 06:07 PM |
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How about if we make women "opt out" of annual HPV screenings? |
mhatrw |
Feb-26-07 06:50 PM |
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At least you might consider being honest |
depakid |
Feb-26-07 06:58 PM |
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It is largely untested on it targeted population. It is completely |
mhatrw |
Feb-26-07 07:09 PM |
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That's untrue- and also utter sophistry |
depakid |
Feb-26-07 07:17 PM |
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I would be willing to be that this Governor also has Merk stock. |
sarcasmo |
Feb-26-07 06:15 PM |
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Find out and let us know. |
Bill McBlueState |
Feb-26-07 07:14 PM |
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Locking |
mcscajun |
Feb-26-07 07:36 PM |
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