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28. they are basically public schools
we have to go by public school state and local regs. we must report to the state like any other public school. but:

we have on-site management. we don't always have to go the district for every decision. we have our own board.

we can have our own curriculum, as long as state teaching standards are met. there are certain things that must be covered every year for every grade, but we have a choice of how to get there.

we choose our students through a lottery in the spring. we literally put the names of applicants in a hat and draw them out per grade. the remainder are put on a waiting list. this way, everyone has the same chance of getting in, there is no bias, as we are accused of having.

our teachers have contracts that are either renewed or not at the end of the year. i don't know about hiring and firing at will, but i have seen good teachers let go for unclear reasons. (in the public school, i see horrible teachers who stay on and on, teachers who insult children, have a racial bias towards them, and 'lose' their homework over and over. but their contracts are continually renewed.)

these are the main differences. charters are stilll free public schools, but many of them have the feel of a private school, because they have more freedom in their process.

we have one charter school that was supposed to be very alternative. well, after a few years and a new head, it has turned into a regular mainstream school.

one small private school did 'go charter,' when they realized that the cost was prohibitive to many people.

one middle school is an outward bound school with 40% of the time spent outside the classroom on field trips, four of them a week long (they are leaving on one today to go winter camping in the mountains). this is where i work and one of my daughters is a student.

there is an outward bound type high school opening up this fall. the format is the same as the middle school, since one man created them both.

charter schools were originally intended to give students an alternative education that was free. not everyone does well in the public school system. some kid do fine, nostly the average ones. others, the not-so-average from either having disabilities or being gifted, have different learning styles that may be better addressed in a different atmosphere. not everyone can afford private schools, so charter schools were supposed to fill that niche between public and private.

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  -Auditor: Closed charter school owes state $1.4 million LiberalFighter  Feb-23-07 09:16 AM   #0 
  - This is why you don't mix  AnneD   Feb-23-07 09:20 AM   #1 
  - Accountable?  gratuitous   Feb-23-07 09:24 AM   #2 
  - Lather, rinse repeat.  donco6   Feb-23-07 09:34 AM   #3 
  - Students in PA charter schools score lower on standardized tests  PA Democrat   Feb-23-07 03:54 PM   #5 
  - They found the same thing here.  donco6   Feb-23-07 05:14 PM   #6 
  - Charter schools certainly aren't a "magic bullet", BUT  alstephenson   Feb-23-07 05:43 PM   #8 
  - Nope. They don't require state certifications for teachers.  jazzjunkysue   Mar-03-07 05:37 PM   #79 
  - Charter schools are not "privitized"...  alstephenson   Feb-23-07 05:52 PM   #9 
     - Privatize:  PA Democrat   Feb-23-07 07:25 PM   #12 
     - No they are NOT subject to the same oversight  proud2Blib   Feb-24-07 07:42 AM   #21 
     - They need to improve the oversight.  donco6   Feb-24-07 09:09 AM   #24 
  - I'll comment on curriculum  proud2Blib   Feb-24-07 07:38 AM   #19 
  - Yes, that happens  HockeyMom   Feb-23-07 09:36 AM   #4 
  - It's the same in Arizona  Tansy_Gold   Feb-23-07 05:36 PM   #7 
  - So many bad stories about charter schools.  demgurl   Feb-23-07 06:15 PM   #10 
  - wow, lots of negative comments about charter schools here!  genevat   Feb-23-07 06:35 PM   #11 
  - Thank you for comments based on actual experience and facts  Psephos   Feb-23-07 08:06 PM   #13 
  - you're welcome.  genevat   Feb-23-07 10:36 PM   #15 
  - I agree that too many schools are too large  LiberalFighter   Feb-23-07 08:19 PM   #14 
  - it's not that schools are too large  genevat   Feb-23-07 10:39 PM   #16 
  - Many of your points underline why we need school vouchers!  toopers   Feb-24-07 06:33 AM   #17 
  - Yes let's take money away from public education!  proud2Blib   Feb-24-07 07:45 AM   #22 
  - So a child who lives in a neighborhood with bad schools . . .  toopers   Feb-25-07 06:57 AM   #55 
     - Then let us fund and support that public school in order to make it better  MadHound   Feb-25-07 07:37 AM   #57 
     - In my city, they already spend more per student.  toopers   Feb-25-07 07:53 AM   #58 
        - What have they been spending that money on? How much more money per student are we talking about?  MadHound   Feb-25-07 08:15 AM   #61 
           - I understand your points . . .  toopers   Feb-25-07 08:53 AM   #63 
              - Please, stop pulling out the limiting others freedom canard.  MadHound   Feb-25-07 11:11 AM   #72 
     - Quit believing the hype  proud2Blib   Feb-25-07 10:57 AM   #69 
        - I never have believed the hype.  LWolf   Mar-03-07 01:52 PM   #78 
  - You've got to be kidding.  donco6   Feb-24-07 09:35 AM   #26 
     - Individually, all of us support programs with disagree with . .  toopers   Feb-25-07 06:59 AM   #56 
        - And we all have the right to object to such use of taxes.  donco6   Feb-25-07 09:54 AM   #65 
  - We have a ton of charters in my state  proud2Blib   Feb-24-07 07:40 AM   #20 
  - Thankyou for the dose of REALITY.  TankLV   Feb-24-07 09:43 PM   #49 
  - Interesting. Now here's the flip side:  donco6   Feb-24-07 09:32 AM   #25 
  - I think that is despicable.....  demgurl   Feb-24-07 10:09 AM   #31 
     - And they differ from state to state.  donco6   Feb-24-07 10:43 AM   #34 
        - we're not allowed to do that here.  genevat   Feb-24-07 11:50 AM   #35 
           - Our district schools are 60 to 65% Hispanic.  donco6   Feb-24-07 11:57 AM   #36 
           - they go to other schools.....  genevat   Feb-24-07 12:00 PM   #37 
              - Well, you did, actually.  donco6   Feb-24-07 12:07 PM   #38 
                 - not so.  genevat   Feb-24-07 06:26 PM   #43 
                    - Yes I know.  donco6   Feb-24-07 08:11 PM   #45 
                       - Our school may be different but I think we are used as a "default".  demgurl   Feb-25-07 11:14 AM   #73 
           - genvat....  demgurl   Feb-24-07 12:58 PM   #42 
              - Does the charter provide transportation? n/t  donco6   Feb-24-07 08:00 PM   #44 
                 - No, it does not provide transportation.  demgurl   Feb-24-07 09:11 PM   #46 
                    - And with all due respect, there's a huge discriminator.  donco6   Feb-25-07 09:42 AM   #64 
                       - the lottery is the law.  genevat   Feb-25-07 10:16 AM   #66 
                       - I think you truly have to know ....  demgurl   Feb-25-07 10:19 AM   #67 
                          - Yes, it's been a good productive discussion.  donco6   Feb-25-07 10:22 AM   #68 
  - BULLSHIT. Real world EXPERIENCE dictates otherwise.  TankLV   Feb-24-07 09:41 PM   #48 
  - that money follows the child.  genevat   Feb-24-07 11:05 PM   #51 
     - Nope - sorry - the money is "LOST" and does NOT "follow the child.  TankLV   Mar-03-07 08:47 PM   #81 
  - Charter schools have too many freedoms in how the money's handled.  LiberalHeart   Feb-25-07 12:08 AM   #52 
  - the school in your link is what the OP was about.  genevat   Feb-25-07 08:04 AM   #59 
     - That's just not true. I've read an audit of a charter school....  LiberalHeart   Feb-25-07 10:58 AM   #70 
        - i was talking about the state i live in.  genevat   Feb-25-07 11:53 AM   #74 
  - Does your charter school teach the appropriate use of capital letters?  Callous Taoboys   Feb-25-07 06:23 AM   #54 
     - yes, why?  genevat   Feb-25-07 08:05 AM   #60 
  - Good stuff in this thread.  rcdean   Feb-24-07 07:28 AM   #18 
  - They can literally do whatever they want  proud2Blib   Feb-24-07 07:46 AM   #23 
  - that's not true. see post #28.  genevat   Feb-24-07 09:56 AM   #29 
     - Yes it is true  proud2Blib   Feb-24-07 12:52 PM   #41 
  - I hope I can help answer your question.  demgurl   Feb-24-07 09:55 AM   #27 
  - excellent post. thank you!  genevat   Feb-24-07 10:04 AM   #30 
  - Not necessarily so.  donco6   Feb-24-07 10:33 AM   #33 
  - donoco6...  demgurl   Feb-24-07 12:31 PM   #39 
     - No disagreement here.  donco6   Feb-24-07 12:37 PM   #40 
  - A charter school can act as a front for private businesses...  LiberalHeart   Feb-25-07 12:16 AM   #53 
  - Thanks very much, demgurl. This helps a lot.  rcdean   Feb-25-07 08:47 AM   #62 
  - rcdean, you are very welcome.  demgurl   Feb-25-07 11:04 AM   #71 
  - I'm not yelling, just in caps to diferentiate my comments from yours  ProudDad   Mar-04-07 02:38 AM   #82 
  - they are basically public schools  genevat   Feb-24-07 09:55 AM   #28 
  - At will employment is one thing.  donco6   Feb-24-07 10:11 AM   #32 
  - Same thing happened here in Vegas a couple years ago in the middle of the term.  TankLV   Feb-24-07 09:37 PM   #47 
  - Edison, btw, is still in business in Las Vegas  Nevernose   Feb-26-07 08:54 AM   #76 
  - Thanks to all who contributed to this thread.  rcdean   Feb-26-07 06:44 AM   #75 
  - last night i did some googling  genevat   Feb-26-07 08:55 AM   #77 
  - Halliburton Elementary School For The Exceptionally Greedy  jazzjunkysue   Mar-03-07 05:48 PM   #80 

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