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demgurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 06:15 PM
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10. So many bad stories about charter schools.
There are some good ones out there. There is a chain, I am aware of, that seems to be pretty good. The school is bound by the the government's laws for all state public schools. They do have several safeguards in place. They are accountable to a all-volunteer board that oversees the school. At the end of each year they survey the parents and get the parents to rate the school, teachers and staff members. The teacher's pay is tied into the student's grades. If the students do not get good grades, the teacher's pay is directly tied into that.

These particular schools do the state mandated tests but they also felt that did not give them enough direction and so they ended up finding additional tests that they do three times a year. Those are national tests that give real time results so that as soon as the students finishes taking them, the school not only knows their score but also where the child's weaknesses lie. Say the child is weak in math, the test will show that as well as the particular area of math that needs work. (IE. fractions, etc....)

One of these schools showed an average grade school growth rate, last year, of 1.8 years. They expect growth from every sector whether you are in the bottom or top of your class. The school chain truly believes that you can educate every child and no child in unreachable.

I know this is just one charter school chain but I did want to point out that not all of them are like the one described above. I think we are often too quick to tar everyone with the same brush.
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  -Auditor: Closed charter school owes state $1.4 million LiberalFighter  Feb-23-07 09:16 AM   #0 
  - This is why you don't mix  AnneD   Feb-23-07 09:20 AM   #1 
  - Accountable?  gratuitous   Feb-23-07 09:24 AM   #2 
  - Lather, rinse repeat.  donco6   Feb-23-07 09:34 AM   #3 
  - Students in PA charter schools score lower on standardized tests  PA Democrat   Feb-23-07 03:54 PM   #5 
  - They found the same thing here.  donco6   Feb-23-07 05:14 PM   #6 
  - Charter schools certainly aren't a "magic bullet", BUT  alstephenson   Feb-23-07 05:43 PM   #8 
  - Nope. They don't require state certifications for teachers.  jazzjunkysue   Mar-03-07 05:37 PM   #79 
  - Charter schools are not "privitized"...  alstephenson   Feb-23-07 05:52 PM   #9 
     - Privatize:  PA Democrat   Feb-23-07 07:25 PM   #12 
     - No they are NOT subject to the same oversight  proud2Blib   Feb-24-07 07:42 AM   #21 
     - They need to improve the oversight.  donco6   Feb-24-07 09:09 AM   #24 
  - I'll comment on curriculum  proud2Blib   Feb-24-07 07:38 AM   #19 
  - Yes, that happens  HockeyMom   Feb-23-07 09:36 AM   #4 
  - It's the same in Arizona  Tansy_Gold   Feb-23-07 05:36 PM   #7 
  - So many bad stories about charter schools.  demgurl   Feb-23-07 06:15 PM   #10 
  - wow, lots of negative comments about charter schools here!  genevat   Feb-23-07 06:35 PM   #11 
  - Thank you for comments based on actual experience and facts  Psephos   Feb-23-07 08:06 PM   #13 
  - you're welcome.  genevat   Feb-23-07 10:36 PM   #15 
  - I agree that too many schools are too large  LiberalFighter   Feb-23-07 08:19 PM   #14 
  - it's not that schools are too large  genevat   Feb-23-07 10:39 PM   #16 
  - Many of your points underline why we need school vouchers!  toopers   Feb-24-07 06:33 AM   #17 
  - Yes let's take money away from public education!  proud2Blib   Feb-24-07 07:45 AM   #22 
  - So a child who lives in a neighborhood with bad schools . . .  toopers   Feb-25-07 06:57 AM   #55 
     - Then let us fund and support that public school in order to make it better  MadHound   Feb-25-07 07:37 AM   #57 
     - In my city, they already spend more per student.  toopers   Feb-25-07 07:53 AM   #58 
        - What have they been spending that money on? How much more money per student are we talking about?  MadHound   Feb-25-07 08:15 AM   #61 
           - I understand your points . . .  toopers   Feb-25-07 08:53 AM   #63 
              - Please, stop pulling out the limiting others freedom canard.  MadHound   Feb-25-07 11:11 AM   #72 
     - Quit believing the hype  proud2Blib   Feb-25-07 10:57 AM   #69 
        - I never have believed the hype.  LWolf   Mar-03-07 01:52 PM   #78 
  - You've got to be kidding.  donco6   Feb-24-07 09:35 AM   #26 
     - Individually, all of us support programs with disagree with . .  toopers   Feb-25-07 06:59 AM   #56 
        - And we all have the right to object to such use of taxes.  donco6   Feb-25-07 09:54 AM   #65 
  - We have a ton of charters in my state  proud2Blib   Feb-24-07 07:40 AM   #20 
  - Thankyou for the dose of REALITY.  TankLV   Feb-24-07 09:43 PM   #49 
  - Interesting. Now here's the flip side:  donco6   Feb-24-07 09:32 AM   #25 
  - I think that is despicable.....  demgurl   Feb-24-07 10:09 AM   #31 
     - And they differ from state to state.  donco6   Feb-24-07 10:43 AM   #34 
        - we're not allowed to do that here.  genevat   Feb-24-07 11:50 AM   #35 
           - Our district schools are 60 to 65% Hispanic.  donco6   Feb-24-07 11:57 AM   #36 
           - they go to other schools.....  genevat   Feb-24-07 12:00 PM   #37 
              - Well, you did, actually.  donco6   Feb-24-07 12:07 PM   #38 
                 - not so.  genevat   Feb-24-07 06:26 PM   #43 
                    - Yes I know.  donco6   Feb-24-07 08:11 PM   #45 
                       - Our school may be different but I think we are used as a "default".  demgurl   Feb-25-07 11:14 AM   #73 
           - genvat....  demgurl   Feb-24-07 12:58 PM   #42 
              - Does the charter provide transportation? n/t  donco6   Feb-24-07 08:00 PM   #44 
                 - No, it does not provide transportation.  demgurl   Feb-24-07 09:11 PM   #46 
                    - And with all due respect, there's a huge discriminator.  donco6   Feb-25-07 09:42 AM   #64 
                       - the lottery is the law.  genevat   Feb-25-07 10:16 AM   #66 
                       - I think you truly have to know ....  demgurl   Feb-25-07 10:19 AM   #67 
                          - Yes, it's been a good productive discussion.  donco6   Feb-25-07 10:22 AM   #68 
  - BULLSHIT. Real world EXPERIENCE dictates otherwise.  TankLV   Feb-24-07 09:41 PM   #48 
  - that money follows the child.  genevat   Feb-24-07 11:05 PM   #51 
     - Nope - sorry - the money is "LOST" and does NOT "follow the child.  TankLV   Mar-03-07 08:47 PM   #81 
  - Charter schools have too many freedoms in how the money's handled.  LiberalHeart   Feb-25-07 12:08 AM   #52 
  - the school in your link is what the OP was about.  genevat   Feb-25-07 08:04 AM   #59 
     - That's just not true. I've read an audit of a charter school....  LiberalHeart   Feb-25-07 10:58 AM   #70 
        - i was talking about the state i live in.  genevat   Feb-25-07 11:53 AM   #74 
  - Does your charter school teach the appropriate use of capital letters?  Callous Taoboys   Feb-25-07 06:23 AM   #54 
     - yes, why?  genevat   Feb-25-07 08:05 AM   #60 
  - Good stuff in this thread.  rcdean   Feb-24-07 07:28 AM   #18 
  - They can literally do whatever they want  proud2Blib   Feb-24-07 07:46 AM   #23 
  - that's not true. see post #28.  genevat   Feb-24-07 09:56 AM   #29 
     - Yes it is true  proud2Blib   Feb-24-07 12:52 PM   #41 
  - I hope I can help answer your question.  demgurl   Feb-24-07 09:55 AM   #27 
  - excellent post. thank you!  genevat   Feb-24-07 10:04 AM   #30 
  - Not necessarily so.  donco6   Feb-24-07 10:33 AM   #33 
  - donoco6...  demgurl   Feb-24-07 12:31 PM   #39 
     - No disagreement here.  donco6   Feb-24-07 12:37 PM   #40 
  - A charter school can act as a front for private businesses...  LiberalHeart   Feb-25-07 12:16 AM   #53 
  - Thanks very much, demgurl. This helps a lot.  rcdean   Feb-25-07 08:47 AM   #62 
  - rcdean, you are very welcome.  demgurl   Feb-25-07 11:04 AM   #71 
  - I'm not yelling, just in caps to diferentiate my comments from yours  ProudDad   Mar-04-07 02:38 AM   #82 
  - they are basically public schools  genevat   Feb-24-07 09:55 AM   #28 
  - At will employment is one thing.  donco6   Feb-24-07 10:11 AM   #32 
  - Same thing happened here in Vegas a couple years ago in the middle of the term.  TankLV   Feb-24-07 09:37 PM   #47 
  - Edison, btw, is still in business in Las Vegas  Nevernose   Feb-26-07 08:54 AM   #76 
  - Thanks to all who contributed to this thread.  rcdean   Feb-26-07 06:44 AM   #75 
  - last night i did some googling  genevat   Feb-26-07 08:55 AM   #77 
  - Halliburton Elementary School For The Exceptionally Greedy  jazzjunkysue   Mar-03-07 05:48 PM   #80 

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