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Fri Feb-16-07 06:18 AM
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| 12. This is not trivial. Unless USAFA has changed its Honor System significantly, the |
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Edited on Fri Feb-16-07 06:19 AM by Springster
only punishment for those guilty of cheating is dismissal from the Academy.
I am a graduate of the US Military Academy (USMA - West Point - the original - to be emulated by the rest!) and lost about 150 classmates in our school's largest cheating incident. In my company of about 120, 30 of us started our 2nd class year (Junior) year and only 10 of us graduated with our class.
While 24 out of about 4000 cadets may seem like a very small percentage, about one half of one percent, it is huge for those involved.
Cadets come from all over the US and have learned very different values up to the point they under the Academy. We tell them that over the next four years we will educate and train them in Military, Academics, Leadership and Physical disciplines - but from day one, the absolute minimum standard in Honor is perfection with no toleration for even minor infractions. It's unrealistic that taking the oath of office - USAFA cadets are on active duty in the Regular Air Force - they have had the training & time to internalize the Honor Code. The USAFA code is similar to USMA and I believe that it's: "We will not lie, cheat , or steal nor tolerate among us those who do." You get just as kicked out for NOT reporting a violation as committing one.
I wouldn't make light of this but would instead think about the cost in human terms - 24 careers, perhaps the AF's next Ace or MOH recipient - truncated barely out of the starting gate.
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| -Air Force Academy Cheating Scandal Grows |
RamboLiberal |
Feb-15-07 10:08 PM |
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Interesting. Since the fundie Christian influence has . . . |
donco6 |
Feb-15-07 10:11 PM |
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In my town |
Mabus |
Feb-15-07 10:28 PM |
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Mercury. Used as weight. In a soapbox derby. |
tanyev |
Feb-16-07 07:26 AM |
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How could someone even got hold of that much mercury? |
Frank Cannon |
Feb-16-07 12:12 PM |
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When I was a cub scout, some kids tried to cheat in the pinewood derby |
brentspeak |
Feb-16-07 07:59 AM |
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I have seen this too. nt |
MGD |
Feb-16-07 08:01 AM |
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That was my very first thought, too. |
LonelyLRLiberal |
Feb-15-07 11:02 PM |
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That seems to be the overriding philosophy these days. |
donco6 |
Feb-15-07 11:10 PM |
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If Jesus existed, he would be kicking some ass, I imagine. |
LonelyLRLiberal |
Feb-15-07 11:13 PM |
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Not always. |
donco6 |
Feb-15-07 11:15 PM |
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I'll have to read up on that - didn't know a whip was involved. |
LonelyLRLiberal |
Feb-15-07 11:18 PM |
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I imagine he was a pretty buff, intimidating dude |
Frank Cannon |
Feb-16-07 12:25 PM |
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Hmmm.... |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Feb-16-07 09:01 PM |
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Yep, all you have to do is keep saying the Magic Jesus Words(TM) |
kestrel91316 |
Feb-16-07 12:02 AM |
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My first reaction, too |
LostinVA |
Feb-16-07 07:20 AM |
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Easily explainable. "Cheating for Jesus" is just another form of "Lying for Jesus" |
yellowcanine |
Feb-16-07 12:08 PM |
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But . . . but . . . I thought the AF Academy was a bastion of fundie "Christian" values? |
hatrack |
Feb-15-07 10:12 PM |
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Just like the KC area |
Mabus |
Feb-15-07 10:30 PM |
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So, cheating is not wrong???? |
pinniped |
Feb-16-07 01:10 AM |
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Cheating is now an honorable Republican trait |
Canuckistanian |
Feb-16-07 08:27 AM |
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It's not cheating if we don't enforce the RULES. |
PassingFair |
Feb-16-07 11:29 AM |
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Only if the get away with it. Get caught and they're on their own. |
reprobate |
Feb-16-07 12:17 PM |
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This is not trivial. Unless USAFA has changed its Honor System significantly, the |
Springster |
Feb-16-07 06:18 AM |
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Boohoohoo. Weeding out the undesirables. |
tabasco |
Feb-16-07 10:48 PM |
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Onward 'christian' soldiers |
SpiralHawk |
Feb-16-07 06:28 AM |
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Sad but 4,264 USAF academy students did not cheat. That's better than other universities. n/t |
jody |
Feb-16-07 07:45 AM |
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Or they haven't been caught yet. |
PassingFair |
Feb-16-07 08:51 AM |
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Using your logic & assuming you're not a convicted felon, you're just a felon who hasn't been caught |
jody |
Feb-16-07 01:10 PM |
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It's not my "logic". |
PassingFair |
Feb-16-07 08:01 PM |
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If you use it, then it's your logic regardless of the source. n/t |
jody |
Feb-16-07 09:11 PM |
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"That's better than other universities." |
PassingFair |
Feb-16-07 09:19 PM |
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Academic Dishonesty Today |
jody |
Feb-16-07 09:51 PM |
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Honor code? |
PassingFair |
Feb-16-07 10:05 PM |
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Have a peaceful evening. n/t |
jody |
Feb-16-07 10:34 PM |
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It's harder to get into one of the federal military academies than it is to get into Harvard or Yale |
brentspeak |
Feb-16-07 07:56 AM |
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If you aren't cheating, you aren't trying hard enough. That's an old Army motto anyways. nt |
MGD |
Feb-16-07 08:03 AM |
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Didn't this just happen a while back |
catmandu57 |
Feb-16-07 08:07 AM |
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It should be the walk of shame for all of them |
Cobalt-60 |
Feb-16-07 08:47 PM |
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