You are viewing an obsolete version of the DU website which is no longer supported by the Administrators. Visit The New DU.
Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Reply #12: This is not trivial. Unless USAFA has changed its Honor System significantly, the [View All]

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU
Springster Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 06:18 AM
Response to Original message
12. This is not trivial. Unless USAFA has changed its Honor System significantly, the
Edited on Fri Feb-16-07 06:19 AM by Springster
only punishment for those guilty of cheating is dismissal from the Academy.

I am a graduate of the US Military Academy (USMA - West Point - the original - to be emulated by the rest!) and lost about 150 classmates in our school's largest cheating incident. In my company of about 120, 30 of us started our 2nd class year (Junior) year and only 10 of us graduated with our class.

While 24 out of about 4000 cadets may seem like a very small percentage, about one half of one percent, it is huge for those involved.

Cadets come from all over the US and have learned very different values up to the point they under the Academy. We tell them that over the next four years we will educate and train them in Military, Academics, Leadership and Physical disciplines - but from day one, the absolute minimum standard in Honor is perfection with no toleration for even minor infractions. It's unrealistic that taking the oath of office - USAFA cadets are on active duty in the Regular Air Force - they have had the training & time to internalize the Honor Code. The USAFA code is similar to USMA and I believe that it's: "We will not lie, cheat , or steal nor tolerate among us those who do." You get just as kicked out for NOT reporting a violation as committing one.

I wouldn't make light of this but would instead think about the cost in human terms - 24 careers, perhaps the AF's next Ace or MOH recipient - truncated barely out of the starting gate.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
  -Air Force Academy Cheating Scandal Grows RamboLiberal  Feb-15-07 10:08 PM   #0 
  - Interesting. Since the fundie Christian influence has . . .  donco6   Feb-15-07 10:11 PM   #1 
  - In my town  Mabus   Feb-15-07 10:28 PM   #3 
  - Mercury. Used as weight. In a soapbox derby.  tanyev   Feb-16-07 07:26 AM   #15 
  - How could someone even got hold of that much mercury?  Frank Cannon   Feb-16-07 12:12 PM   #26 
  - When I was a cub scout, some kids tried to cheat in the pinewood derby  brentspeak   Feb-16-07 07:59 AM   #18 
     - I have seen this too. nt  MGD   Feb-16-07 08:01 AM   #19 
  - That was my very first thought, too.  LonelyLRLiberal   Feb-15-07 11:02 PM   #5 
  - That seems to be the overriding philosophy these days.  donco6   Feb-15-07 11:10 PM   #6 
  - If Jesus existed, he would be kicking some ass, I imagine.  LonelyLRLiberal   Feb-15-07 11:13 PM   #7 
     - Not always.  donco6   Feb-15-07 11:15 PM   #8 
        - I'll have to read up on that - didn't know a whip was involved.  LonelyLRLiberal   Feb-15-07 11:18 PM   #9 
           - I imagine he was a pretty buff, intimidating dude  Frank Cannon   Feb-16-07 12:25 PM   #28 
              - Hmmm....  RUMMYisFROSTED   Feb-16-07 09:01 PM   #32 
  - Yep, all you have to do is keep saying the Magic Jesus Words(TM)  kestrel91316   Feb-16-07 12:02 AM   #10 
  - My first reaction, too  LostinVA   Feb-16-07 07:20 AM   #14 
  - Easily explainable. "Cheating for Jesus" is just another form of "Lying for Jesus"  yellowcanine   Feb-16-07 12:08 PM   #25 
  - But . . . but . . . I thought the AF Academy was a bastion of fundie "Christian" values?  hatrack   Feb-15-07 10:12 PM   #2 
  - Just like the KC area  Mabus   Feb-15-07 10:30 PM   #4 
  - So, cheating is not wrong????  pinniped   Feb-16-07 01:10 AM   #11 
  - Cheating is now an honorable Republican trait  Canuckistanian   Feb-16-07 08:27 AM   #22 
     - It's not cheating if we don't enforce the RULES.  PassingFair   Feb-16-07 11:29 AM   #24 
     - Only if the get away with it. Get caught and they're on their own.  reprobate   Feb-16-07 12:17 PM   #27 
  - This is not trivial. Unless USAFA has changed its Honor System significantly, the  Springster   Feb-16-07 06:18 AM   #12 
  - Boohoohoo. Weeding out the undesirables.  tabasco   Feb-16-07 10:48 PM   #38 
  - Onward 'christian' soldiers  SpiralHawk   Feb-16-07 06:28 AM   #13 
  - Sad but 4,264 USAF academy students did not cheat. That's better than other universities. n/t  jody   Feb-16-07 07:45 AM   #16 
  - Or they haven't been caught yet.  PassingFair   Feb-16-07 08:51 AM   #23 
     - Using your logic & assuming you're not a convicted felon, you're just a felon who hasn't been caught  jody   Feb-16-07 01:10 PM   #29 
        - It's not my "logic".  PassingFair   Feb-16-07 08:01 PM   #30 
           - If you use it, then it's your logic regardless of the source. n/t  jody   Feb-16-07 09:11 PM   #33 
              - "That's better than other universities."  PassingFair   Feb-16-07 09:19 PM   #34 
                 - Academic Dishonesty Today  jody   Feb-16-07 09:51 PM   #35 
                    - Honor code?  PassingFair   Feb-16-07 10:05 PM   #36 
                       - Have a peaceful evening. n/t  jody   Feb-16-07 10:34 PM   #37 
  - It's harder to get into one of the federal military academies than it is to get into Harvard or Yale  brentspeak   Feb-16-07 07:56 AM   #17 
  - If you aren't cheating, you aren't trying hard enough. That's an old Army motto anyways. nt  MGD   Feb-16-07 08:03 AM   #20 
  - Didn't this just happen a while back  catmandu57   Feb-16-07 08:07 AM   #21 
  - It should be the walk of shame for all of them  Cobalt-60   Feb-16-07 08:47 PM   #31 
 

Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC