manic expression
(1000+ posts)
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Tue Feb-13-07 04:32 PM
Response to Reply #7 |
| 8. Would you agree that misinformation is a bad thing? |
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They're trying to balance access (in schools no less, which is laudable) with the fact that the US government is doing everything it can to bring down the Cuban system, which includes working through misinformation.
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Cuban official defends internet controls |
Bacchus39 |
Feb-13-07 12:21 PM |
#0 |

"The wild colt of 'information' must be controlled" nt |
LiberalVoice |
Feb-13-07 12:24 PM |
#1 |

This is very reasonable |
manic expression |
Feb-13-07 01:15 PM |
#2 |
 
we certainly wouldn't want people using the internet to criticize the government |
Bacchus39 |
Feb-13-07 02:51 PM |
#3 |
  
Different scenario |
manic expression |
Feb-13-07 04:13 PM |
#5 |
 
How could the internet be a threat to Cuba? nt |
hack89 |
Feb-13-07 04:28 PM |
#7 |
  
Would you agree that misinformation is a bad thing? |
manic expression |
Feb-13-07 04:32 PM |
#8 |
 
Would you agree that having the government |
hack89 |
Feb-13-07 05:38 PM |
#15 |
  
Cubans have access to the internet IF they can afford it. |
Mika |
Feb-13-07 06:09 PM |
#18 |
   
Ruh-roh, E-Net's site is running on .Net Framework |
slackmaster |
Feb-13-07 06:36 PM |
#26 |
  
very well said |
Bacchus39 |
Feb-13-07 06:36 PM |
#25 |
  
The government is extremely responsive to the people |
manic expression |
Feb-13-07 07:15 PM |
#33 |
 
What have I said that is so threatening to the Cuban regime .. |
hack89 |
Feb-13-07 08:09 PM |
#36 |
  
Cubans are not concerned about hack89 |
manic expression |
Feb-13-07 08:17 PM |
#38 |
  
You deserve the same rights as the Cuban people. |
Mika |
Feb-13-07 10:23 PM |
#71 |
 
So why can't they have the right to a |
hack89 |
Feb-13-07 10:42 PM |
#74 |
 
Speaking of housing, you'd think Ernest Hemingway's house, declared as a nat'l treasure |
ohio2007 |
Feb-14-07 01:11 PM |
#108 |
 
so Cuba needs censorship? |
Bacchus39 |
Feb-13-07 08:34 PM |
#42 |
 
Cuba wants to block American misinformation |
manic expression |
Feb-13-07 08:50 PM |
#46 |
 
When someone has the job of deciding what is information and what is misinformation |
slackmaster |
Feb-13-07 09:23 PM |
#59 |
  
As I've said |
manic expression |
Feb-13-07 09:31 PM |
#62 |
 
I wouldn't want "the people" deciding ANYTHING for me |
slackmaster |
Feb-13-07 09:32 PM |
#63 |
 
You can not want it all you want |
manic expression |
Feb-13-07 09:33 PM |
#64 |
 
If a few individuals decide what most of the people get to read, hear, and see |
slackmaster |
Feb-13-07 09:58 PM |
#67 |
 
It's not the few |
manic expression |
Feb-13-07 10:18 PM |
#70 |
 
Cubans tolerate blatant propoganda from their government |
Bacchus39 |
Feb-14-07 12:20 AM |
#77 |
  
Support that statement |
manic expression |
Feb-14-07 12:07 PM |
#100 |
 
State run media and programming are more than evidence |
Bacchus39 |
Feb-14-07 06:02 PM |
#142 |
 
And what of CNN radio? |
manic expression |
Feb-14-07 06:12 PM |
#148 |
 
its not from Cuba now is it?? |
Bacchus39 |
Feb-14-07 08:11 PM |
#172 |
 
People in Cuba can listen to it easily |
manic expression |
Feb-14-07 08:46 PM |
#178 |
 
The whole body of the people does not vote on every book, news article, URL, etc. |
slackmaster |
Feb-14-07 10:42 AM |
#97 |
  
I agree with part of your latter statement. End the embargo. |
Mika |
Feb-14-07 10:56 AM |
#98 |
 
Before that will happen, "you know who" has to assume room temp |
ohio2007 |
Feb-14-07 12:47 PM |
#107 |
 
How do "the many" |
sufrommich |
Feb-14-07 02:52 PM |
#113 |
 
Through many mediums |
manic expression |
Feb-14-07 04:13 PM |
#116 |
 
All definitions are social definitions. |
sufrommich |
Feb-14-07 04:32 PM |
#121 |
 
Not necessarily |
manic expression |
Feb-14-07 04:41 PM |
#122 |
 
Oh please. |
sufrommich |
Feb-14-07 04:56 PM |
#124 |
 
No damage |
manic expression |
Feb-14-07 05:01 PM |
#126 |
 
What "significant wealth" would that be? |
slackmaster |
Feb-14-07 05:20 PM |
#129 |
 
Anything more than personal possessions |
manic expression |
Feb-14-07 05:25 PM |
#131 |
 
Would you |
Big Pappa |
Feb-14-07 01:32 AM |
#83 |
  
As I've said before |
manic expression |
Feb-14-07 12:18 PM |
#104 |
 
No |
Big Pappa |
Feb-14-07 10:28 PM |
#180 |
 
So everything that the Cuban government blocks is American |
smitty |
Feb-14-07 06:09 PM |
#146 |
 
They get radio and tv stations from Miami, from the other islands, |
Judi Lynn |
Feb-14-07 06:22 PM |
#152 |
 
If Cubans are so well informed why does the government |
smitty |
Feb-14-07 06:26 PM |
#155 |
 
This is something you're going to have to apply yourself to studying. |
Judi Lynn |
Feb-14-07 06:43 PM |
#159 |
  
Basically you have no answer to my question. I think the |
smitty |
Feb-14-07 06:54 PM |
#165 |
 
The only "restrictions" are against pirate IPs supplied by the US interests section &.. |
Mika |
Feb-14-07 07:03 PM |
#167 |
 
You're misreading the information already given you on this board |
Judi Lynn |
Feb-14-07 07:17 PM |
#170 |
 
So is the US sending adware directly to the Cuban population? |
jhasp |
Feb-14-07 09:44 AM |
#93 |
 
Your US propaganda based post is astounding. |
Mika |
Feb-14-07 10:24 AM |
#96 |
 
I wonder if Cubans have "acces denied" trying to open your link |
ohio2007 |
Feb-14-07 01:17 PM |
#110 |
 
Here's a new car in Cuba |
killbotfactory |
Feb-14-07 07:04 PM |
#168 |
 
On that note. |
Mika |
Feb-14-07 09:30 AM |
#92 |
 
I, for one, welcome our Wild Colt of Information overlords |
Psephos |
Feb-13-07 03:53 PM |
#4 |
 
it's not reasonable at all |
paulk |
Feb-13-07 04:41 PM |
#10 |
  
Neither of us know that |
manic expression |
Feb-13-07 04:45 PM |
#11 |
   
It's amazing |
spoony |
Feb-13-07 05:24 PM |
#13 |
    
It's amazing that people want to criticize |
manic expression |
Feb-13-07 07:07 PM |
#29 |
   
no-one is criticizing Cuba for installing computers in schools |
Bacchus39 |
Feb-13-07 08:44 PM |
#44 |
   
They're just ignoring it |
manic expression |
Feb-13-07 08:53 PM |
#47 |
   
and searching witth Google will obviously lead to "misinformation" |
Bacchus39 |
Feb-13-07 09:02 PM |
#48 |
   
Which country is trying to topple us |
manic expression |
Feb-13-07 09:05 PM |
#50 |
   
alternate sources of information besides State run media |
Bacchus39 |
Feb-13-07 09:09 PM |
#52 |
   
There is no lack of that in Cuba |
manic expression |
Feb-13-07 09:11 PM |
#53 |
   
can you watch it?? |
Bacchus39 |
Feb-13-07 09:18 PM |
#55 |
   
American basic cable |
manic expression |
Feb-13-07 09:24 PM |
#60 |
   
American basic cable |
ngant17 |
Feb-14-07 01:24 AM |
#81 |
   
you can certainly make a pretty good guess |
paulk |
Feb-13-07 05:50 PM |
#17 |
  
Only if you know about Cuba's system |
manic expression |
Feb-13-07 07:19 PM |
#34 |
  
So, YOU deserve and have the right to full internet access but the Cubans |
ohio2007 |
Feb-13-07 08:26 PM |
#40 |
   
I never talked about what I deserve |
manic expression |
Feb-13-07 08:31 PM |
#41 |
  
It's not just US "misinformation" that's being censored |
ohio2007 |
Feb-13-07 09:03 PM |
#49 |
   
Freedom |
manic expression |
Feb-13-07 09:09 PM |
#51 |
  
But what else do they want none of? |
hack89 |
Feb-13-07 09:21 PM |
#58 |
  
Obviously not |
manic expression |
Feb-13-07 09:27 PM |
#61 |
  
Are you willing to give up freedoms you presently enjoy .. |
hack89 |
Feb-13-07 10:39 PM |
#73 |
  
Freedom |
manic expression |
Feb-13-07 11:03 PM |
#76 |
  
The people decided what was right in the Jim Crow south |
AngryAmish |
Feb-14-07 09:56 AM |
#94 |
  
So AngryAmish |
manic expression |
Feb-14-07 12:10 PM |
#101 |
  
"There is no basis for rights" |
sufrommich |
Feb-14-07 03:05 PM |
#114 |
   
I've been waiting |
manic expression |
Feb-14-07 04:21 PM |
#118 |
  
What are you trying to do, start a philosophy debate here? |
slackmaster |
Feb-14-07 05:19 PM |
#127 |
   
If people are going to evoke |
manic expression |
Feb-14-07 05:22 PM |
#130 |
   
I'm confident you will have a snappy comeback no matter what anyone says |
slackmaster |
Feb-14-07 05:27 PM |
#132 |
   
I try to offer disagreement |
manic expression |
Feb-14-07 05:31 PM |
#134 |
   
You sound a lot like I did after taking a year of undergraduate philosophy classes |
slackmaster |
Feb-14-07 05:38 PM |
#136 |
   
I've never taken a philosophy course |
manic expression |
Feb-14-07 05:42 PM |
#137 |
   
I told you my philosophy is based on my own personal observation and thought |
slackmaster |
Feb-14-07 05:44 PM |
#138 |
   
In other words |
manic expression |
Feb-14-07 05:49 PM |
#140 |
   
You're more interested in "proving" you are right than in basic human needs |
slackmaster |
Feb-14-07 06:18 PM |
#149 |
   
I'm still waiting for a real basis |
manic expression |
Feb-14-07 06:20 PM |
#150 |
   
You have failed as well |
slackmaster |
Feb-14-07 06:25 PM |
#154 |
   
Not really |
manic expression |
Feb-14-07 06:42 PM |
#158 |
   
Show of hands please - How many minds has manic expression changed here? |
slackmaster |
Feb-14-07 06:50 PM |
#160 |
   
This is a bad excuse |
manic expression |
Feb-14-07 06:52 PM |
#162 |
   
What's the basis for saying that people directing their own communities is justified? |
nick303 |
Feb-14-07 08:37 PM |
#176 |
   
The difference you neglected |
manic expression |
Feb-14-07 09:09 PM |
#179 |
  
I think that you are trying to make |
Amused Musings |
Feb-14-07 05:37 PM |
#135 |
  
Not exactly |
manic expression |
Feb-14-07 06:06 PM |
#144 |
  
Class is concrete? |
Amused Musings |
Feb-14-07 06:40 PM |
#157 |
  
Yes |
manic expression |
Feb-14-07 06:50 PM |
#161 |
  
This forum is for Democrats of all stripes |
slackmaster |
Feb-14-07 06:53 PM |
#163 |
  
This forum is also for 'other progressives' |
manic expression |
Feb-14-07 06:54 PM |
#164 |
  
I consider your politics to be regressive, not progressive |
slackmaster |
Feb-14-07 06:55 PM |
#166 |
  
I guess I should respond in order |
Amused Musings |
Feb-14-07 08:13 PM |
#173 |
  
OK |
manic expression |
Feb-14-07 08:43 PM |
#177 |
  
So you would accept it if American society .. |
hack89 |
Feb-14-07 04:00 PM |
#115 |
  
Strawman argument |
manic expression |
Feb-14-07 04:23 PM |
#119 |
  
No - we are arguing the fundamental source of freedom |
hack89 |
Feb-14-07 04:53 PM |
#123 |
  
That's not what you're arguing |
manic expression |
Feb-14-07 04:57 PM |
#125 |
  
Speaking of American lies, there is the time the Cuban "exiles" who run, at U.S. taxpayers' expense, |
Judi Lynn |
Feb-14-07 05:20 PM |
#128 |
  
What do Cuban exiles have to do with |
sufrommich |
Feb-14-07 05:27 PM |
#133 |
  
Cuban right-wing reactionaries are creating the information which flows to Cuba |
Judi Lynn |
Feb-14-07 06:07 PM |
#145 |
  
Judi Lynn, would you favor the USA censoring US right-wing reactionaries too? |
slackmaster |
Feb-14-07 06:35 PM |
#156 |
  
What's not to grasp in what Mika wrote earlier in the thread? |
Judi Lynn |
Feb-14-07 07:14 PM |
#169 |
  
Apparently,there is only one truth and it is yours. |
sufrommich |
Feb-14-07 07:48 PM |
#171 |
  
No one has ever implied that. Try stretching your mind to take in the history between |
Judi Lynn |
Feb-14-07 08:20 PM |
#174 |
  
I know history well enough |
sufrommich |
Feb-14-07 08:30 PM |
#175 |
  
There are some good lines from a Canadian article I stumbled across tonight: |
Judi Lynn |
Feb-13-07 09:19 PM |
#56 |
  
"Bombarded by US misinformation"...Oh PULEEEZ! |
rayofreason |
Feb-13-07 09:36 PM |
#65 |
  
Do you live in Cuba? |
manic expression |
Feb-13-07 09:45 PM |
#66 |
  
you can set your Home Page to DU or Yahoo or www.granma.cu |
Bacchus39 |
Feb-14-07 12:25 AM |
#78 |
  
Like I said |
manic expression |
Feb-14-07 12:29 AM |
#79 |
  
give an example of the propaganda that Cubans would be subjected to |
Bacchus39 |
Feb-14-07 08:42 AM |
#90 |
  
First of all |
manic expression |
Feb-14-07 12:15 PM |
#103 |
  
I think there is plenty of evidence if you bother to google |
Bacchus39 |
Feb-14-07 06:20 PM |
#151 |
  
"Cuba's government is a government of and for the people." |
paulk |
Feb-14-07 02:15 PM |
#111 |
  
Cuban leaders want to control all free thought. and open exchange of ideas |
ohio2007 |
Feb-13-07 06:31 PM |
#24 |
 
No its not |
Pavulon |
Feb-13-07 10:12 PM |
#69 |
 
Are you for real? |
yibbehobba |
Feb-14-07 08:38 AM |
#88 |

There will never be a DU in Cuba. |
hack89 |
Feb-13-07 04:27 PM |
#6 |
 
The entire nation of Cuba is an advanced DU |
ngant17 |
Feb-13-07 04:54 PM |
#12 |

So there are forums for the free exchange of ideas .. |
hack89 |
Feb-13-07 05:35 PM |
#14 |
 
Cuba's Revolution |
ngant17 |
Feb-13-07 06:19 PM |
#21 |

The Cuba TV show "The Round Table" is DU TV. eom |
Mika |
Feb-13-07 06:23 PM |
#22 |

Yet is such a fragile social system |
hack89 |
Feb-13-07 08:15 PM |
#37 |

No system should be forced to withstand foreign interference |
manic expression |
Feb-13-07 08:21 PM |
#39 |

Why is it so important to you to personalize this discusion? |
hack89 |
Feb-13-07 09:16 PM |
#54 |
 
First |
manic expression |
Feb-13-07 09:20 PM |
#57 |

But why can't they simply ignore it? |
hack89 |
Feb-13-07 10:31 PM |
#72 |

Many reasons |
manic expression |
Feb-13-07 10:57 PM |
#75 |

I feel that the Cuban people are strong enough to resist .. |
hack89 |
Feb-14-07 09:58 AM |
#95 |

A condescending attitude indeed |
Bacchus39 |
Feb-14-07 11:58 AM |
#99 |

They most certainly are |
manic expression |
Feb-14-07 12:10 PM |
#102 |

and the propaganda that they would be subjected to |
Bacchus39 |
Feb-14-07 12:35 PM |
#105 |

If you're good at one thing |
manic expression |
Feb-14-07 12:43 PM |
#106 |

you cannot answer how they would be exposed to misinformation |
Bacchus39 |
Feb-14-07 04:20 PM |
#117 |

I have |
manic expression |
Feb-14-07 04:25 PM |
#120 |

I would be delighted to read your posts. please list the post numbers |
Bacchus39 |
Feb-14-07 05:48 PM |
#139 |

How about |
manic expression |
Feb-14-07 05:51 PM |
#141 |

purely speculative, and Cubans would have to look |
Bacchus39 |
Feb-14-07 06:24 PM |
#153 |

Not only are they not scared of it... |
yibbehobba |
Feb-14-07 08:54 AM |
#91 |

You forgot to mention Bill Gates, Steve Jobs et el |
ohio2007 |
Feb-13-07 07:10 PM |
#32 |

Who invented the internet? |
manic expression |
Feb-13-07 08:03 PM |
#35 |

Al Gore?? |
Bacchus39 |
Feb-13-07 08:36 PM |
#43 |

That has nothing to do with my post |
manic expression |
Feb-13-07 08:44 PM |
#45 |

LOL, thats right, AL Gore said that one |
ohio2007 |
Feb-14-07 08:42 AM |
#89 |

There is considerable editorializing |
Flanker |
Feb-13-07 04:38 PM |
#9 |
 
Do you think they have access to DU? |
hack89 |
Feb-13-07 05:39 PM |
#16 |

I would welcome their contribution |
Bacchus39 |
Feb-13-07 06:16 PM |
#19 |

Yes they do. |
Mika |
Feb-13-07 06:16 PM |
#20 |

and the restrictions are in place because....?? |
Bacchus39 |
Feb-13-07 06:24 PM |
#23 |

And then there's the knee-jerk "All problems in Cuba are USA's fault" |
slackmaster |
Feb-13-07 06:41 PM |
#27 |

This is a statment devoid of reasoning or economics |
Flanker |
Feb-13-07 06:56 PM |
#28 |

Without internet access for the public...they don't know |
ohio2007 |
Feb-13-07 07:07 PM |
#30 |
 
Cuban literacy |
ngant17 |
Feb-14-07 01:28 AM |
#82 |
  
Literacy is what gets the doctors out of Cuba |
ohio2007 |
Feb-14-07 08:31 AM |
#86 |
 
totally wrong on that point |
ngant17 |
Feb-15-07 01:44 AM |
#181 |
 
Cubans have free access to the internet in most all libraries. |
Mika |
Feb-14-07 08:35 AM |
#87 |

Set aside some time and start getting the information you need, as we all do, |
Judi Lynn |
Feb-13-07 07:08 PM |
#31 |

I guess that you didn't read the article posted in the OP. |
Mika |
Feb-14-07 08:20 AM |
#84 |

Without the US to blame, Cuba will have to face up to its problems |
slackmaster |
Feb-14-07 02:20 PM |
#112 |

"The wild colt of new technologies can and must be controlled" |
joshcryer |
Feb-13-07 10:03 PM |
#68 |
 
No matter how you twist and rationalize it, it stinks of government |
smitty |
Feb-14-07 06:06 PM |
#143 |

I love Cuba. I support the Revolution. |
roody |
Feb-14-07 12:29 AM |
#80 |
 
The "cult of Fidel" only exists in the USA. Primarily in Miami & Washington. |
Mika |
Feb-14-07 08:25 AM |
#85 |

I like the cult of Fidel lovers. I could easily be one. |
roody |
Feb-14-07 06:11 PM |
#147 |

So Cuba is doing what Bush wants to do? |
ItNerd4life |
Feb-14-07 01:16 PM |
#109 |