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LeighAnn (1000+ posts)

Wed Jan-31-07 12:40 PM
Response to Reply #7

50. Why not make boys get it, too?

Women aren't getting this sexually transmitted disease from other women. Why should girls be the only ones forced to get this shot? Why should anyone be forced to, for that matter? What ever happened to informed consent? What are the long-term side effects of this drug?

Shades of the rotavirus vaccine?

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Drugmaker wants law to require STD shot	RamboLiberal	Jan-30-07 06:04 PM	#0
Is there not a blatent conflict of interest here?	AX10	Jan-30-07 06:10 PM	#1
This is the first I've even heard of the manufacturer urging this.	Kagemusha	Jan-30-07 06:22 PM	#3
I said that the vaccine should be optional.	AX10	Jan-30-07 06:24 PM	#4
Not a communicable disease?	mrbassman03	Jan-30-07 06:32 PM	#7
Why not make boys get it, too?	LeighAnn	Jan-31-07 12:40 PM	#50
As a woman, I would not get it at this time.	R_M	Jan-31-07 05:55 PM	#57
or you could try a smidgen of research	iverglas	Feb-01-07 08:09 PM	#116
Are you being serious or sarcastic?	AX10	Feb-01-07 08:14 PM	#120
I haven't seen any research on the efficacy that isn't funded by MERCK, myself.	MADem	Feb-02-07 10:43 PM	#232
This is NOT a drug	iverglas	Feb-03-07 02:31 PM	#260
You should discriminate what	zidzi	Feb-03-07 04:13 PM	#271
Another poster on this thread said she got the vaccine 20 years ago in Germany	MADem	Feb-04-07 01:31 AM	#360
perhaps you could identify the post/poster	iverglas	Feb-04-07 06:06 PM	#371
Four hundred thousand people die in car crashes every year. Fewer than	MADem	Feb-05-07 11:47 AM	#391
Perhaps b/c the FDA says it is.	Pretty_in_CodePink	Feb-03-07 06:39 PM	#317
lardy bleedin jayzus	iverglas	Feb-03-07 06:45 PM	#320
Very mature. Let's make a "Hitler" comparsion now.	AX10	Feb-03-07 08:51 PM	#338
What? You mean - drug companies AREN'T Hitler???	iverglas	Feb-03-07 09:10 PM	#342
"Could Adolph Hitler be trusted to give an accurate account of the colour of the sky"	AX10	Feb-03-07 09:14 PM	#344
As a man I wouldn't get it at this time either...	SayWhatYo	Feb-02-07 11:48 PM	#251
Exactly!	Digit	Jan-31-07 09:16 PM	#67
Perhaps the vaccine is ineffective on males?	Katherine Brengle	Feb-01-07 01:28 PM	#85
Nope, it hasn't been tested on males yet	TexasBushwhacker	Feb-02-07 04:18 PM	#187
an interesting point on use in males	iverglas	Feb-03-07 05:46 PM	#303
because men don't get cervical cancer, so it doesn't bear on their health	JVS	Feb-04-07 03:12 AM	#363
Having read in detail about the debate about this in the UK	Kagemusha	Jan-30-07 06:42 PM	#9
Why should this be forced upon us?	AX10	Jan-30-07 06:44 PM	#10
Because it's an easily prevented disease caused by sex communicated virus.	Kagemusha	Jan-30-07 07:03 PM	#12
Oh bullshit. Put up or shut up. Who gives a good goddamn about teenage sex?	MADem	Feb-02-07 11:04 PM	#236
and yet no one was talking to you	iverglas	Feb-03-07 02:33 PM	#261
Ah, the old "Since my lousy argument wasn't directed your way,, I don't have to	MADem	Feb-04-07 12:39 AM	#355
Deleted message	Name removed	Feb-04-07 06:13 PM	#372
You have nothing left. That is why you are attacking MADem...	AX10	Feb-04-07 07:59 PM	#377
I don't drink, but thanks for your 'concern'	MADem	Feb-05-07 01:32 PM	#396
oh my goodness!!!	iverglas	Feb-05-07 02:08 PM	#398
Get over yourself. You seem bound and determined to stifle anyone who doesn't	MADem	Feb-05-07 02:46 PM	#400
I'm doing a damned crappy job of it, aren't I???	iverglas	Feb-05-07 03:28 PM	#406
I am not intimidated by bullies or people who resort to cheap insults	MADem	Feb-05-07 04:29 PM	#408
I agree about that Europe part. I strongly disagree with them	AX10	Feb-03-07 04:43 PM	#277
however they want to make a law requiring it, instead of it being	superconnected	Jan-30-07 06:49 PM	#11
I have no problem with making safe and tested vaccines for communicable diseases a requirement.	w4rma	Feb-01-07 07:32 PM	#103
Where is your evidence that this vaccine is both safe and effective?	mhatrw	Feb-01-07 07:15 PM	#96
Try the FDA web site...	rexcat	Feb-01-07 08:53 PM	#125
The control placebo was an ALUMINUM injection!	mhatrw	Feb-01-07 09:01 PM	#127
The point of the testing was to prevent HPV infection...	rexcat	Feb-01-07 10:12 PM	#130
So it's a well established FACT, is it?	mhatrw	Feb-02-07 01:10 AM	#134
Obviously your one of those who did not do well in the sciences...	rexcat	Feb-02-07 10:12 AM	#143
Do you understand the difference between injecting something and ingesting it?	mhatrw	Feb-02-07 01:01 PM	#151
Get real!	rexcat	Feb-02-07 05:20 PM	#196
Wow! Insults are better than data, right?	mhatrw	Feb-02-07 05:51 PM	#201
Where is the "boy" vaccine and WHY didn't they test one concurrently??	MADem	Feb-02-07 11:09 PM	#240
too clever by half	iverglas	Feb-03-07 02:40 PM	#262
And why did you engage with so many people?	AX10	Feb-03-07 04:49 PM	#281
and what fucking business is it of yours?	iverglas	Feb-03-07 04:54 PM	#285
How am I "trying to get the thread killed"???	AX10	Feb-03-07 04:57 PM	#287
that will be enough	iverglas	Feb-03-07 05:11 PM	#290
All I am saying that people should practice abstinence.	AX10	Feb-03-07 05:27 PM	#296
What I am saying is that you should mind your own goddamned business	iverglas	Feb-03-07 06:01 PM	#304
And do not force your so-called "wants" onto other people!	AX10	Feb-03-07 06:06 PM	#307
are you a 12-year-old girl?	iverglas	Feb-03-07 06:20 PM	#310
The same thing can be said about you.	AX10	Feb-03-07 08:50 PM	#337
"kissing the ring"	iverglas	Feb-03-07 09:12 PM	#343
Deleted sub-thread	Name removed	Feb-04-07 12:35 AM	#354
Why are you ashamed? No one is permitted to ask QUESTIONS?	MADem	Feb-02-07 11:00 PM	#235
Exactly! This cutting off of debate is very Frist/McConnell like.	AX10	Feb-03-07 04:45 PM	#278
Oooh, not at all like accusing multiple people of owning Merck stock	iverglas	Feb-03-07 04:51 PM	#283
Fine company your keeping.	AX10	Feb-03-07 04:55 PM	#286
who was that, btw?	iverglas	Feb-04-07 08:43 PM	#379
Geez, it wasn't an accusation, unless you are feeling guilty. It was a question.	MADem	Feb-04-07 12:50 AM	#359
make a little effort to follow yourself, will you?	iverglas	Feb-04-07 06:27 PM	#373
Say, do you find THIS revolting, too? I sure as hell do	MADem	Feb-05-07 12:03 PM	#393
such a sorry lack of imagination hereabouts	iverglas	Feb-05-07 02:15 PM	#399
You're forgetting that "opt out" means that the kids cannot go	MADem	Feb-05-07 02:54 PM	#401
but we already know -- I'm a dumbo and a fascist!!	iverglas	Feb-05-07 03:25 PM	#405
Well, you said it, not me. You know best if you got your characteristics right.	MADem	Feb-05-07 04:20 PM	#407
well, I have to say I'm sorry	iverglas	Feb-05-07 04:52 PM	#409
And everyone would have your course and outcome if they don't take this shot	MADem	Feb-05-07 05:29 PM	#410
oh no, paco!	iverglas	Feb-05-07 05:37 PM	#411
Whatever. That isn't true, but who cares. Have fun with your snarkiness.	MADem	Feb-05-07 05:57 PM	#412
What?	depakid	Jan-30-07 07:46 PM	#15
It does not rise to the same level as polio and dyptheria.	AX10	Jan-30-07 07:47 PM	#16
Tell that to a woman who gets cervical cancer	depakid	Jan-30-07 07:53 PM	#20
DPT ring a bell?	AX10	Jan-30-07 07:59 PM	#23
I'm sorry that your brother is handicapped.	Bridget Burke	Jan-31-07 01:32 PM	#53
That's a hit below the belt.	R_M	Jan-31-07 05:47 PM	#56
As R_M said!	AX10	Jan-31-07 07:28 PM	#61
Ahhh...	Party Line	Feb-01-07 03:53 AM	#73
How about if the maker of lethal injections wanted to make that mandatory?	mhatrw	Feb-01-07 07:25 PM	#99
Everything on this thread proves is that there are just....	AX10	Feb-01-07 08:08 PM	#115
This drug does not end the need to have a yearly pap smear.	qanda	Jan-30-07 08:12 PM	#29
Yes, tell that to my aunt, a nurse.	Thor_MN	Jan-30-07 08:13 PM	#30
Why talk them into it when the state can compel them instead? n/t	mhatrw	Feb-01-07 07:27 PM	#100
It's a not fully tested vaccine. I say make it optional. And not opt-out optional. Opt IN optional	MADem	Feb-02-07 11:15 PM	#242
Well, the point of school admission vaccines is to prevent things that could spread in school	LeftyMom	Jan-30-07 09:20 PM	#40
True.	AX10	Jan-30-07 09:34 PM	#42
Sure, but part of personal decision making is weighing risks.	LeftyMom	Jan-30-07 09:38 PM	#43
Also true. I'm on your side here.	AX10	Jan-30-07 09:48 PM	#45
Where is your evidence that this vaccine has been "proven" safe	mhatrw	Feb-01-07 07:18 PM	#97
Heh heheh......I know, I know!!!!!	MADem	Feb-02-07 11:30 PM	#245
You know, there was a time	iverglas	Feb-03-07 03:01 PM	#263
The Facts About Gardasil	mhatrw	Feb-03-07 05:24 PM	#294
comment? sure	iverglas	Feb-03-07 05:44 PM	#302
Typical.	mhatrw	Feb-03-07 06:13 PM	#309
wtf??? (edited)	iverglas	Feb-03-07 06:23 PM	#312
I'm covering my ears? To what? Your semantical detours and	mhatrw	Feb-03-07 06:27 PM	#313
risk??	iverglas	Feb-03-07 06:31 PM	#315
Did you read the GARDASIL insert?	mhatrw	Feb-03-07 06:49 PM	#322
Yup, I'm a dumbo and a fascist	iverglas	Feb-03-07 07:13 PM	#326
Maybe they are all common risks. Maybe some are new.	mhatrw	Feb-03-07 07:22 PM	#328
like I said, you're done	iverglas	Feb-03-07 07:46 PM	#329
Per se? What the hell is that supposed to mean? When evaluating	mhatrw	Feb-03-07 08:10 PM	#333
don't worry	iverglas	Feb-03-07 08:45 PM	#336
Yes. That's what it is. A tiny amount of poison that may have severe	mhatrw	Feb-04-07 12:07 AM	#346
Virtually UNIQUE to women? Huh?	MADem	Feb-04-07 12:26 AM	#352
Should a Polio vaccine be optional? n/t	IanDB1	Jan-30-07 08:40 PM	#32
Yes. n/t	mhatrw	Feb-01-07 07:29 PM	#101
I'm with you, AX10	Bluestar	Jan-30-07 06:28 PM	#5
Thank you for your support.	AX10	Jan-30-07 06:31 PM	#6
I agree with you two, AX10 and Bluestar.	Maat	Feb-02-07 10:59 PM	#234
I Think It's a HUGH Conflict of Interest	Crisco	Feb-01-07 01:06 PM	#83
It's how we got NCLB and statewide testing	Nevernose	Feb-01-07 10:19 PM	#131
You bet there is a huge conflict of interest!	AX10	Feb-02-07 09:22 PM	#222
Big conflict of interest... And I second your opinion about no	midnight	Feb-03-07 06:46 AM	#255
Clear conflict of interest	wholetruth	Feb-03-07 03:51 PM	#268
I don't see much difference between this and the Polio shots....	BlueJazz	Jan-30-07 06:10 PM	#2
Great comparison	mrbassman03	Jan-30-07 06:34 PM	#8
I guess I would go along with that argument	qanda	Jan-30-07 07:55 PM	#21
But was the maker of the poliio vaccine the one who proposed that	Morgana LaFey	Jan-31-07 06:58 PM	#58
And the army's forced anthrax vaccinations?	mhatrw	Feb-01-07 07:31 PM	#102
Polio was not spread only through sexual contact	AllegroRondo	Jan-31-07 12:27 PM	#49
Under the FDA, there is far less testing of drugs than before,	pnwmom	Jan-30-07 07:11 PM	#13
So, a "good" vaccine needs bankrolling from a drug company...	newburgh	Jan-30-07 07:23 PM	#14
Sometimes DU'rs just blow me away with their disdain for public health	depakid	Jan-30-07 07:50 PM	#17
We should not require this vaccine...	Scooter24	Jan-30-07 09:08 PM	#37
Exactly!	AX10	Jan-30-07 09:10 PM	#38
If somebody elects not to get it and they get cerv. cancer then no medicaid.	hollowdweller	Jan-31-07 09:06 PM	#64
Then, does that apply to every elective vaccine	Scooter24	Feb-01-07 12:42 AM	#69
And obviously smokers would get no medicaid	PaulaFarrell	Feb-01-07 05:31 AM	#77
Yes, let them die horribly in the street! n/t	mhatrw	Feb-01-07 07:33 PM	#104
that sounds cold-hearted	JVS	Feb-04-07 03:19 AM	#364
"...which requires an individual to make a choice to engage in sex"	GoddessOfGuinness	Feb-02-07 11:49 PM	#252
You never had any reservations about this vaccine?	AX10	Jan-31-07 11:32 AM	#47
What bothers me most about this whole thing	qanda	Jan-30-07 07:51 PM	#18
It's just frightening to see how many people side with corporations...	AX10	Jan-30-07 07:52 PM	#19
What amazes me is the paranoia and lack of	depakid	Jan-30-07 07:55 PM	#22
...	AX10	Jan-30-07 07:59 PM	#24
So ignorance of science is the only reason...	Nabeshin	Jan-30-07 08:10 PM	#27
Australia and several European nations already require it	depakid	Jan-30-07 08:41 PM	#33
England also had thalidmide too.	AX10	Jan-30-07 09:32 PM	#41
So Big Pharma has no influence outside the US?	mhatrw	Feb-01-07 07:36 PM	#105
If Australia and several European nations jumped off a bridge...	JVS	Feb-04-07 03:21 AM	#365
depakid probably also sides with Bush	Scooter24	Jan-30-07 08:58 PM	#35
You know Scooter24, I am not against this vaccine.	AX10	Jan-30-07 09:07 PM	#36
Not Mandatory	raebrek	Feb-02-07 01:37 PM	#161
I agree!	AX10	Feb-02-07 09:23 PM	#223
That's a different matter entirely	depakid	Feb-02-07 12:30 PM	#148
ideology trumps science	LanternWaste	Jan-30-07 08:37 PM	#31
No. This is not a knee jerk reaction.	AX10	Jan-30-07 09:15 PM	#39
What's frightening is the loss of our liberties -- the right NOT to	Morgana LaFey	Jan-31-07 07:08 PM	#60
You bet it is not an epidemic.	AX10	Jan-31-07 08:46 PM	#62
You are wrong, it IS reaching epidemic proportions. Ask a few college	SoCalDemGrrl	Feb-01-07 02:32 AM	#72
Show me a link that a high proportion of cervical cancers ..	Maat	Feb-02-07 11:07 PM	#237
You know nothing.	Party Line	Feb-01-07 04:07 AM	#75
You're right. Just because many vaccines have long term health issues	mhatrw	Feb-01-07 07:40 PM	#106
It's times like this that I am proud to say that I am a registered...	AX10	Feb-01-07 08:18 PM	#121
Deleted message	Name removed	Feb-02-07 11:24 PM	#243
Well, let's be fair. There is ONE really, really good reason to do so	Morgana LaFey	Feb-02-07 03:44 PM	#181
But it ISN'T science.	Xithras	Jan-30-07 09:47 PM	#44
My feelings exactly! My two daughters will not be guinea pigs for	Bunny	Jan-31-07 12:54 PM	#51
I'm well over 18 and I don't want it!	R_M	Jan-31-07 05:39 PM	#54
Do some math--privately.	Bridget Burke	Feb-01-07 08:48 AM	#79
Whoa! You are not acusing the poster of anything?	AX10	Feb-01-07 08:28 PM	#124
Not at all.	Bridget Burke	Feb-02-07 08:21 AM	#142
and unless	iverglas	Feb-02-07 11:18 AM	#146
Men can be sexually assulted too. Why not make them get it as well?	Coventina	Feb-02-07 01:32 PM	#160
I don't think I grasp your point	iverglas	Feb-02-07 01:52 PM	#166
My point is, I'm troubled about legislating a requirement on the basis of sex	Coventina	Feb-02-07 01:58 PM	#169
I think I answered ...	iverglas	Feb-02-07 02:18 PM	#171
It's scarce and expensive because Merck wants it to be that way	MADem	Feb-02-07 11:43 PM	#249
just fyi	iverglas	Feb-03-07 03:21 PM	#264
You are cherry picking facts and assuming that there are no associated risks.	mhatrw	Feb-03-07 05:27 PM	#297
reproduced with permission ...	iverglas	Feb-03-07 06:03 PM	#306
Have you ever contributed anything to this thread that has a	mhatrw	Feb-03-07 06:43 PM	#319
how things seem to you are not my problem	iverglas	Feb-03-07 07:04 PM	#324
reproduced with permission	iverglas	Feb-03-07 07:19 PM	#327
Well, gee, MERCK says it's safe!!!! Trust them--REALLY!!! That VIOXX fuckup was a one-off!!! NT	MADem	Feb-04-07 12:13 AM	#349
Death by drowning vaccine....	MADem	Feb-04-07 12:11 AM	#348
Very well-put, Xithras!	Maat	Feb-02-07 11:08 PM	#239
I feel as though I have every right to protect my child from greedy corporations	qanda	Jan-30-07 08:02 PM	#25
It's NOT an experimental vaccine	depakid	Jan-30-07 08:12 PM	#28
Otherwise, if big pharma has their way, your child will be ripped away from	newburgh	Jan-30-07 08:52 PM	#34
Show us the evidence that this vaccine is both safe and effective then.	mhatrw	Feb-01-07 07:44 PM	#107
you are not really interested in answers, are you?	nodehopper	Feb-02-07 09:11 PM	#217
I found the facts. Care to comment on them?	mhatrw	Feb-03-07 05:28 PM	#298
Not siding w/corporations but my college daughter has 4 friends	SoCalDemGrrl	Feb-01-07 02:23 AM	#70
not for the rest of their lives	nodehopper	Feb-01-07 08:56 AM	#80
Correction noted, however this is a terrible precancerous condition	SoCalDemGrrl	Feb-01-07 05:12 PM	#89
oh, I completely agree	nodehopper	Feb-01-07 05:55 PM	#92
YES- you have to be concerned the rest of your life	CatFelyne	Feb-02-07 08:36 PM	#212
I am not disagreeing with you	nodehopper	Feb-02-07 09:13 PM	#218
Some of them just don't make the connection, I fear	MADem	Feb-05-07 03:08 PM	#402
I agree	Digit	Jan-31-07 09:11 PM	#65
Can you name a vaccine for which this has been true?	Oak2004	Feb-03-07 02:15 PM	#259
thank you	iverglas	Feb-03-07 03:37 PM	#266
So all vaccines have tiny risks, right?	mhatrw	Feb-03-07 05:33 PM	#299
can you stay on one horse while we're in this stream? (edited)	iverglas	Feb-03-07 06:34 PM	#316
The argument for making the polio vaccine mandatory was once	mhatrw	Feb-03-07 06:46 PM	#321
Yeah, I guess big pharma does want that	WatchWhatISay	Jan-30-07 08:05 PM	#26
Prepubescent girls are going to be more worried about cancer than pregnancy?	rocknation	Jan-31-07 10:04 AM	#46
Condoms have not been proven to stop the transfer of HPV --	Katherine Brengle	Feb-01-07 01:33 PM	#86
Condoms haven't been proven to stop HPV, but this vaccine has?	mhatrw	Feb-01-07 07:47 PM	#108
I see this "requirement" as a violation of individual rights.	Ilsa	Jan-31-07 11:47 AM	#48
That's how I see it as well ...	DixieBlue	Jan-31-07 01:01 PM	#52
I'm disappointed in Governor Granholm.	R_M	Jan-31-07 05:40 PM	#55
I hope someoen looks at the sponosring lawmakers' bank accounts	Ilsa	Feb-01-07 04:43 PM	#88
If we can eliminate HPV caused Cervical Cancer, we should do it	WindRavenX	Jan-31-07 07:05 PM	#59
And I'm ashamed that so many DUer's are so blindly willing to...	AX10	Jan-31-07 08:48 PM	#63
Cervical cancer can be almost ELIMINATED	WindRavenX	Jan-31-07 09:49 PM	#68
Cervical cancer and HPV has reached epidemic proportions in the U.S.	SoCalDemGrrl	Feb-01-07 02:29 AM	#71
AX10, my daughter just went through a cervical cancer scare.	SeattleGirl	Feb-01-07 04:00 AM	#74
Amen Seattle Girl, well said & thank God your daughter is OK!!	SoCalDemGrrl	Feb-01-07 05:14 PM	#90
No one is stopping anybody from getting a voluntary vaccination.	mhatrw	Feb-01-07 07:50 PM	#109
If it is Mandatory	raebrek	Feb-02-07 01:47 PM	#164
Blind???	Party Line	Feb-01-07 04:18 AM	#76
Weird that you keep spouting off about your knowledge without	mhatrw	Feb-01-07 07:53 PM	#110
AND FURTHER ...the testing was a RUSH JOB..(ONLY 100 girls test)	OKthatsIT	Feb-02-07 09:09 PM	#215
I'm sorry we shouldn't make this mandatory	lovuian	Jan-31-07 09:12 PM	#66
I feel compelled to respond to those who say HPV is not epidemic...	colinmom71	Feb-01-07 07:48 AM	#78
Great post. nt	Katherine Brengle	Feb-01-07 01:36 PM	#87
That was a balanced post. Thank you.	mhatrw	Feb-01-07 07:58 PM	#111
thanks - and	iverglas	Feb-01-07 08:25 PM	#123
That is one of the most screwed up things I have ever read.	mhatrw	Feb-02-07 05:14 PM	#195
yes, yes, you're right; I'm a fascist	iverglas	Feb-02-07 06:58 PM	#208
See reply 210.	mhatrw	Feb-02-07 07:31 PM	#211
Yes - this should be a required immunization	Taverner	Feb-01-07 12:29 PM	#81
I agree -- who cares HOW you get HPV	TheLeftyMom	Feb-01-07 01:00 PM	#82
Yes, it's a CURE FOR CANCER. Thanks Lefty Mom & btw I like yr website!!	SoCalDemGrrl	Feb-01-07 05:20 PM	#91
What is your evidence that this vaccine is both safe and effective?	mhatrw	Feb-01-07 07:09 PM	#94
Actually, it is a preventative, not a cure	dansolo	Feb-01-07 08:11 PM	#118
This is complicated...	Katherine Brengle	Feb-01-07 01:26 PM	#84
not to mention that you can get it without having sex	nodehopper	Feb-01-07 05:56 PM	#93
Where is the evidence that condoms are less effective in	mhatrw	Feb-01-07 08:00 PM	#112
that question doesn't make sense to me, sorry	nodehopper	Feb-02-07 01:51 AM	#135
You didn't answer the question.	mhatrw	Feb-02-07 02:14 AM	#137
Go to the appropriate websites (FDA, etc.) & do your own research. nt	IdaBriggs	Feb-02-07 08:19 AM	#141
There answers don't exist. At least not yet. That's my point. n/t	mhatrw	Feb-02-07 01:08 PM	#154
Yes, they do. You've been referred to the appropriate websites	IdaBriggs	Feb-02-07 02:29 PM	#172
No, they don't. None of the websites discuss cervical cancer mortality	mhatrw	Feb-02-07 03:06 PM	#175
you're quite amusing now	iverglas	Feb-02-07 03:39 PM	#179
What is it you don't understand? This is a risk vs. benefit analysis.	mhatrw	Feb-02-07 03:54 PM	#183
I have an idea	iverglas	Feb-02-07 04:23 PM	#188
How about some intellectual honesty on both sides instead of "CURE FOR CANCER"?	mhatrw	Feb-02-07 04:47 PM	#190
you talking to me?	iverglas	Feb-02-07 05:07 PM	#193
You do have a television. Right? You've seen all the ads? Right?	mhatrw	Feb-02-07 05:25 PM	#198
You'd know the truth if you tripped on it, right?	iverglas	Feb-02-07 06:27 PM	#205
If you are really attracted to sophistry like a moth,	mhatrw	Feb-02-07 06:44 PM	#207
eh? what was that?	iverglas	Feb-02-07 07:00 PM	#209
Are you joking? Do you really think vaccines have no associated risks?	mhatrw	Feb-02-07 07:25 PM	#210
Deleted message	Name removed	Feb-04-07 10:27 PM	#382
no one	nodehopper	Feb-03-07 04:53 PM	#284
It's been said multiple times by vaccination advocates in this very	mhatrw	Feb-03-07 05:36 PM	#301
I'm sorry, I think that's a stupid comparison	nodehopper	Feb-02-07 11:04 AM	#145
You are the one saying the vaccine protects you while condoms	mhatrw	Feb-02-07 01:11 PM	#155
condoms help	nodehopper	Feb-02-07 01:30 PM	#158
in case I didn't make it clear	nodehopper	Feb-02-07 01:32 PM	#159
So condoms (75%) are better than the vaccine (70%) ...	mhatrw	Feb-02-07 03:10 PM	#176
where are you getting 75% from?	nodehopper	Feb-02-07 05:20 PM	#197
Your scientific ignorance is astounding.	mhatrw	Feb-02-07 05:36 PM	#200
yes, there has been one study	nodehopper	Feb-02-07 06:11 PM	#202
Bullshit.	mhatrw	Feb-02-07 06:22 PM	#204
one more try	nodehopper	Feb-02-07 08:54 PM	#214
More bullshit.	mhatrw	Feb-02-07 11:42 PM	#247
omg do you really not understand how medical testing is done	nodehopper	Feb-03-07 05:14 PM	#291
Just admit that you screwed up and go on with your life.	mhatrw	Feb-03-07 06:01 PM	#305
a couplel of responses ago I rephrased what I was saying	nodehopper	Feb-03-07 07:58 PM	#332
So this vaccine isn't really about preventing cervical cancer, now is it?	mhatrw	Feb-04-07 12:24 AM	#351
of course the vaccine is about preventing cervical cancer	nodehopper	Feb-04-07 05:02 PM	#367
There is no 30% contraction rate!	mhatrw	Feb-04-07 08:58 PM	#380
where are you getting these numbers?	nodehopper	Feb-04-07 11:17 PM	#384
It turns out the real numbers are more complicated than I imagined.	mhatrw	Feb-05-07 12:08 AM	#385
wow	nodehopper	Feb-05-07 01:08 PM	#395
The exact numbers for all HPV complications other than warts.	mhatrw	Feb-05-07 12:47 AM	#386
the number is lower for whom?	nodehopper	Feb-05-07 01:03 PM	#394
For everybody supporting yet another MANDATORY vaccination ...	mhatrw	Feb-01-07 07:11 PM	#95
Yeah what you said! If some think it is ok then get a shot and leave others alone!	Sapere aude	Feb-01-07 07:22 PM	#98
Exactly. n/t	mhatrw	Feb-01-07 08:02 PM	#113
That's what I have been saying.	AX10	Feb-01-07 08:02 PM	#114
Vioxx is different! This is a CURE FOR CANCER!	mhatrw	Feb-01-07 08:11 PM	#117
You forgot the "sarcasm" emotcon.	AX10	Feb-01-07 08:12 PM	#119
Point well-taken, although I sure giggled at the way that was put!	Maat	Feb-03-07 01:07 PM	#258
Ummm ... the manufacturer of this vaccine clearly states ..	Maat	Feb-02-07 11:15 PM	#241
Good. Because they don't even have a shred of hard clinical evidence	mhatrw	Feb-02-07 11:43 PM	#248
Exactly (n/t)!	Maat	Feb-03-07 01:04 PM	#257
I'm with you.	Treclo	Feb-02-07 12:37 PM	#150
I am sorry to hear about you situation.	AX10	Feb-02-07 09:50 PM	#228
well	nodehopper	Feb-02-07 05:26 PM	#199
That's NOT what the website said, which is why you didn't link it.	mhatrw	Feb-02-07 06:20 PM	#203
Food for thought.	mhatrw	Feb-01-07 08:23 PM	#122
Here's the funny thing I just learned. When they did the Gardasil study,	mhatrw	Feb-01-07 08:58 PM	#126
A little more from that Straight story	iverglas	Feb-01-07 09:12 PM	#128
Who in the control group died of cervical cancer?	mhatrw	Feb-01-07 10:03 PM	#129
funny	iverglas	Feb-01-07 10:30 PM	#132
funny	mhatrw	Feb-02-07 12:23 AM	#133
so many question marks ...	iverglas	Feb-02-07 10:20 AM	#144
Do you even understand why alum is in vaccines?	mhatrw	Feb-02-07 01:04 PM	#152
are you a bot?	iverglas	Feb-02-07 01:47 PM	#163
My point has always been the same. Putting something in your mouth	mhatrw	Feb-02-07 03:05 PM	#174
As a physician for both medicine and pediatric patients...	kutastha	Feb-02-07 02:12 AM	#136
Do any diseases ever wane in efficacy without vaccines?	mhatrw	Feb-02-07 02:18 AM	#138
Can you elaborate a bit?	kutastha	Feb-02-07 02:41 AM	#139
Can you show me how GARDASIL vaccinations are projected to affect the	mhatrw	Feb-02-07 01:07 PM	#153
can you explain what "age groups" have to do with this?	iverglas	Feb-02-07 02:00 PM	#170
Nice side step.	mhatrw	Feb-02-07 02:56 PM	#173
PubMed anyone? Here's some peer-reviewed just for you :-)	CatFelyne	Feb-02-07 09:11 PM	#216
Blah, blah, blah.	mhatrw	Feb-02-07 10:36 PM	#230
There are two entirely separate controversies here, IMHO...	benEzra	Feb-02-07 07:59 AM	#140
I Was Hoping Someone Would Bring Up Choice & Education	lligrd	Feb-02-07 11:50 AM	#147
do you feel the same way about polio vaccine?	nodehopper	Feb-02-07 09:15 PM	#220
No one's making you a "lab rat -and using that meme	depakid	Feb-02-07 12:35 PM	#149
Yes, we need laws to ensure that YOU decide the acceptable	mhatrw	Feb-02-07 01:21 PM	#157
Science needs to decide on matters of public health	depakid	Feb-02-07 01:49 PM	#165
Five cases of polio (infectious) should detemine public policy for HPV (communicable)?	mhatrw	Feb-02-07 03:28 PM	#177
HA! Pharma probably snuck the virus into their community	OKthatsIT	Feb-02-07 09:55 PM	#229
If you believe that you have the right to make MY choices for me,	benEzra	Feb-02-07 01:46 PM	#162
Yep- we DO have the right and the responsibility	depakid	Feb-02-07 01:54 PM	#167
Those were INFECTIOUS diseases and SAFETY PROVEN preventatives.	mhatrw	Feb-02-07 03:43 PM	#180
This entire debate proves to me that there are just...	AX10	Feb-02-07 09:30 PM	#226
How did this become about you?	iverglas	Feb-02-07 01:58 PM	#168
But YOU do get to make these decisions for MY kids, right?	mhatrw	Feb-02-07 03:38 PM	#178
Kindly do not make any further false statements about me,	iverglas	Feb-02-07 03:51 PM	#182
And what am I up to? I'm protecting my right of informed consent against	mhatrw	Feb-02-07 04:01 PM	#184
so sorry, that was neither a retraction nor an apology	iverglas	Feb-02-07 04:05 PM	#185
Yes, you are side-stepping the issue once again.	mhatrw	Feb-02-07 04:48 PM	#192
me, worry?	iverglas	Feb-02-07 05:09 PM	#194
He owes you no apology!	AX10	Feb-02-07 09:33 PM	#227
when I want your opinion, I'll be sure to ask	iverglas	Feb-03-07 03:41 PM	#267
Interesting, I have the same feelings that you do.	AX10	Feb-03-07 05:10 PM	#289
I would argue that avoiding the vaccine is NOT seriously ..	Maat	Feb-02-07 11:27 PM	#244
argue with you?	iverglas	Feb-03-07 04:06 PM	#270
There is no shred of evidence of the harmful effects ..	Maat	Feb-03-07 06:30 PM	#314
study and identify ... WHAT??? effects of WHAT???	iverglas	Feb-03-07 06:42 PM	#318
Whatever.	Maat	Feb-03-07 07:53 PM	#331
empathy, that's a good one	iverglas	Feb-03-07 08:36 PM	#335
Well, I will be working to ensure that there is a well-publicized ..	Maat	Feb-03-07 09:01 PM	#340
no forgiveness here	iverglas	Feb-03-07 09:09 PM	#341
You did behave as if you were qualified by using terms such as	Maat	Feb-03-07 09:15 PM	#345
Yes, the issue is informed consent.	mhatrw	Feb-02-07 01:19 PM	#156
Update: Goodhair Perry orders Texas to require the vaccine!	KamaAina	Feb-02-07 04:10 PM	#186
obviously, mandated health care without universal health insurance	iverglas	Feb-02-07 04:47 PM	#191
mandated vaccinations are covered	nodehopper	Feb-02-07 09:16 PM	#221
thanks! -- so in Texas	iverglas	Feb-03-07 03:59 PM	#269
Here are the stats	TexasBushwhacker	Feb-02-07 04:39 PM	#189
What are the age ranges for these cervical cancer deaths?	mhatrw	Feb-02-07 06:28 PM	#206
How about a 23 yr old who DIED of cervical cancer b4 routine HPV	SoCalDemGrrl	Feb-02-07 09:14 PM	#219
IF is the operative word here.	mhatrw	Feb-02-07 10:41 PM	#231
How can we make it mandatory u ask? Because something like 70% of college	SoCalDemGrrl	Feb-04-07 12:11 AM	#347
You don't understand the facts.	mhatrw	Feb-04-07 04:57 PM	#366
I understand that MANY young women have been DYING of cervical cancer	SoCalDemGrrl	Feb-04-07 07:04 PM	#374
How many otherwise healthy US women under 25 getting annual pap smears	mhatrw	Feb-04-07 09:10 PM	#381
you are asking for two sets of statistics	nodehopper	Feb-02-07 09:25 PM	#224
Please note:	mhatrw	Feb-02-07 10:49 PM	#233
the basic biology	nodehopper	Feb-02-07 11:07 PM	#238
And that's enough to make this vaccination compulsory for you?	mhatrw	Feb-03-07 12:00 AM	#253
yes, that is enough for me to make the vaccine mandated	nodehopper	Feb-03-07 11:45 AM	#256
You don't know the risks and you don't the benefits but you want	mhatrw	Feb-03-07 04:37 PM	#276
I know the risks	nodehopper	Feb-03-07 05:06 PM	#288
You don't know the risks. It's a new vaccine made using a new procedure.	mhatrw	Feb-03-07 06:21 PM	#311
you can assess risks of something	nodehopper	Feb-03-07 07:47 PM	#330
Sorry, dupe. n/t	mhatrw	Feb-04-07 12:42 AM	#357
Why? Why are you so concerned about forcing my little girls to be	mhatrw	Feb-04-07 12:49 AM	#358
thus far	nodehopper	Feb-04-07 02:31 AM	#361
You never addressed any of my risk issues.	mhatrw	Feb-04-07 03:12 AM	#362
That's because there AREN'T any reasonable "risk issues."	depakid	Feb-05-07 01:47 AM	#387
You are a vaccine risk denier. Just read the damn Merck produced insert!	mhatrw	Feb-05-07 05:06 AM	#388
Posts like this are precidely the reason we need laws mandating	depakid	Feb-05-07 05:23 AM	#389
Yes, anyone who disagrees your omniscience must be compelled to	mhatrw	Feb-05-07 06:43 AM	#390
Nope scientists around the world should decide	depakid	Feb-05-07 03:16 PM	#404
People who don't have any problem with mandatory GARDASIL vaccinations	mhatrw	Feb-05-07 10:38 PM	#414
what is this fixation on death?	iverglas	Feb-03-07 04:15 PM	#272
The rate of cervical cancer in US is small, and there is zero clinical	mhatrw	Feb-03-07 07:10 PM	#325
It may be small, but ask any college health ctr and the cases of dysplasia	SoCalDemGrrl	Feb-04-07 12:17 AM	#350
No. I'm going to argue that as long as there is no evidence for	mhatrw	Feb-04-07 12:30 AM	#353
Read this NY Times article, please.	mhatrw	Feb-02-07 08:47 PM	#213
Thank you!	AX10	Feb-02-07 09:26 PM	#225
Yes, thank you (n/t)!	Maat	Feb-02-07 11:31 PM	#246
WOW. Surprise, surprise. It very well COULD be all about the MONEY. NT	MADem	Feb-02-07 11:45 PM	#250
Maybe people should read this NY Times article, too	depakid	Feb-03-07 06:39 AM	#254
especially since the first one was actually not an "article"	iverglas	Feb-03-07 04:34 PM	#275
Mhatrw, can I ask do you have a horse in this race? I mean do u have a	SoCalDemGrrl	Feb-04-07 12:41 AM	#356
The Fascist Rick Perry is now requiring the vaccine by Executive Order....	censorshipsux	Feb-03-07 03:23 PM	#265
DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED -- MUST READ	USA No. 1	Feb-03-07 04:22 PM	#273
Al Sharpton beat diabeties by losing alot of weight and...	AX10	Feb-03-07 04:27 PM	#274
Then Al Sharpton has type II diabetes	iverglas	Feb-03-07 04:46 PM	#279
As I said, there are extremists on both sides.	AX10	Feb-03-07 04:48 PM	#280
do you understand the difference between high cholesterol and a viral illness	nodehopper	Feb-03-07 04:50 PM	#282
I'm not saying there aren't people who need these drugs, but....	USA No. 1	Feb-03-07 05:16 PM	#292
Which diet and exercise regimen did you decide on	iverglas	Feb-03-07 05:23 PM	#293
There is a difference between the lifestyle drugs that are being pushed and	USA No. 1	Feb-03-07 05:35 PM	#300
I give up	iverglas	Feb-03-07 06:11 PM	#308
No one will stop you if you want to take vaccine....	USA No. 1	Feb-03-07 06:56 PM	#323
I'm sorry to say that you are not going to get an agreement...	AX10	Feb-03-07 08:58 PM	#339
on the contrary	nodehopper	Feb-04-07 05:09 PM	#369
Yes nodehopper, for that reason it SHOULD be mandated	SoCalDemGrrl	Feb-04-07 07:07 PM	#375
Nice spinning there.	AX10	Feb-04-07 07:57 PM	#376
let me try to explain for you	iverglas	Feb-04-07 08:38 PM	#378
yes, thank you	nodehopper	Feb-04-07 11:12 PM	#383
a three-shot vaccine is not a lifetime regimen	nodehopper	Feb-04-07 05:06 PM	#368
Do some googling--they say that boosters may be required every FOUR years.	MADem	Feb-05-07 11:51 AM	#392
check it out	nodehopper	Feb-05-07 06:26 PM	#413
Well, first off, your source is a BIG PHARMA funded newsletter, so how believable is that?	MADem	Feb-06-07 04:10 PM	#415
thanks for sharing. i've known for quite awhile that our medical system sucks.	NotGivingUp	Feb-03-07 08:33 PM	#334
how is a one-time, three-shot vaccine "drugs for the rest of your life"?	nodehopper	Feb-04-07 05:10 PM	#370
Do some googling--turns out the thing might need boosters every four years.	MADem	Feb-05-07 01:36 PM	#397
Isn't the HPV vaccine	ripple	Feb-05-07 03:08 PM	#403
it should not be required because every one has a different body	cap	Feb-03-07 05:26 PM	#295
PLEASE READ THIS POST IF YOU ARE AT ALL INFORMED ON THIS ISSUE!	mhatrw	Feb-07-07 05:03 AM	#416

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