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LeighAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 11:40 AM
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50. Why not make boys get it, too?
Women aren't getting this sexually transmitted disease from other women. Why should girls be the only ones forced to get this shot? Why should anyone be forced to, for that matter? What ever happened to informed consent? What are the long-term side effects of this drug?

Shades of the rotavirus vaccine?

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  -Drugmaker wants law to require STD shot RamboLiberal  Jan-30-07 05:04 PM   #0 
  - Is there not a blatent conflict of interest here?  AX10   Jan-30-07 05:10 PM   #1 
  - This is the first I've even heard of the manufacturer urging this.  Kagemusha   Jan-30-07 05:22 PM   #3 
  - I said that the vaccine should be optional.  AX10   Jan-30-07 05:24 PM   #4 
     - Not a communicable disease?  mrbassman03   Jan-30-07 05:32 PM   #7 
     - Why not make boys get it, too?  LeighAnn   Jan-31-07 11:40 AM   #50 
        - As a woman, I would not get it at this time.  R_M   Jan-31-07 04:55 PM   #57 
        - or you could try a smidgen of research  iverglas   Feb-01-07 07:09 PM   #116 
        - Are you being serious or sarcastic?  AX10   Feb-01-07 07:14 PM   #120 
        - I haven't seen any research on the efficacy that isn't funded by MERCK, myself.  MADem   Feb-02-07 09:43 PM   #232 
        - This is NOT a drug  iverglas   Feb-03-07 01:31 PM   #260 
           - You should discriminate what  zidzi   Feb-03-07 03:13 PM   #271 
           - Another poster on this thread said she got the vaccine 20 years ago in Germany  MADem   Feb-04-07 12:31 AM   #360 
              - perhaps you could identify the post/poster  iverglas   Feb-04-07 05:06 PM   #371 
                 - Four hundred thousand people die in car crashes every year. Fewer than  MADem   Feb-05-07 10:47 AM   #391 
        - Perhaps b/c the FDA says it is.  Pretty_in_CodePink   Feb-03-07 05:39 PM   #317 
           - lardy bleedin jayzus  iverglas   Feb-03-07 05:45 PM   #320 
              - Very mature. Let's make a "Hitler" comparsion now.  AX10   Feb-03-07 07:51 PM   #338 
                 - What? You mean - drug companies AREN'T Hitler???  iverglas   Feb-03-07 08:10 PM   #342 
                    - "Could Adolph Hitler be trusted to give an accurate account of the colour of the sky"  AX10   Feb-03-07 08:14 PM   #344 
        - As a man I wouldn't get it at this time either...  SayWhatYo   Feb-02-07 10:48 PM   #251 
        - Exactly!  Digit   Jan-31-07 08:16 PM   #67 
        - Perhaps the vaccine is ineffective on males?  Katherine Brengle   Feb-01-07 12:28 PM   #85 
        - Nope, it hasn't been tested on males yet  TexasBushwhacker   Feb-02-07 03:18 PM   #187 
        - an interesting point on use in males  iverglas   Feb-03-07 04:46 PM   #303 
        - because men don't get cervical cancer, so it doesn't bear on their health  JVS   Feb-04-07 02:12 AM   #363 
     - Having read in detail about the debate about this in the UK  Kagemusha   Jan-30-07 05:42 PM   #9 
     - Why should this be forced upon us?  AX10   Jan-30-07 05:44 PM   #10 
     - Because it's an easily prevented disease caused by sex communicated virus.  Kagemusha   Jan-30-07 06:03 PM   #12 
        - Oh bullshit. Put up or shut up. Who gives a good goddamn about teenage sex?  MADem   Feb-02-07 10:04 PM   #236 
           - and yet no one was talking to you  iverglas   Feb-03-07 01:33 PM   #261 
           - Ah, the old "Since my lousy argument wasn't directed your way,, I don't have to  MADem   Feb-03-07 11:39 PM   #355 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-04-07 05:13 PM   #372 
                 - You have nothing left. That is why you are attacking MADem...  AX10   Feb-04-07 06:59 PM   #377 
                 - I don't drink, but thanks for your 'concern'  MADem   Feb-05-07 12:32 PM   #396 
                    - oh my goodness!!!  iverglas   Feb-05-07 01:08 PM   #398 
                       - Get over yourself. You seem bound and determined to stifle anyone who doesn't  MADem   Feb-05-07 01:46 PM   #400 
                          - I'm doing a damned crappy job of it, aren't I???  iverglas   Feb-05-07 02:28 PM   #406 
                             - I am not intimidated by bullies or people who resort to cheap insults  MADem   Feb-05-07 03:29 PM   #408 
           - I agree about that Europe part. I strongly disagree with them  AX10   Feb-03-07 03:43 PM   #277 
     - however they want to make a law requiring it, instead of it being  superconnected   Jan-30-07 05:49 PM   #11 
     - I have no problem with making safe and tested vaccines for communicable diseases a requirement.  w4rma   Feb-01-07 06:32 PM   #103 
     - Where is your evidence that this vaccine is both safe and effective?  mhatrw   Feb-01-07 06:15 PM   #96 
     - Try the FDA web site...  rexcat   Feb-01-07 07:53 PM   #125 
        - The control placebo was an ALUMINUM injection!  mhatrw   Feb-01-07 08:01 PM   #127 
           - The point of the testing was to prevent HPV infection...  rexcat   Feb-01-07 09:12 PM   #130 
              - So it's a well established FACT, is it?  mhatrw   Feb-02-07 12:10 AM   #134 
              - Obviously your one of those who did not do well in the sciences...  rexcat   Feb-02-07 09:12 AM   #143 
                 - Do you understand the difference between injecting something and ingesting it?  mhatrw   Feb-02-07 12:01 PM   #151 
                    - Get real!  rexcat   Feb-02-07 04:20 PM   #196 
                       - Wow! Insults are better than data, right?  mhatrw   Feb-02-07 04:51 PM   #201 
              - Where is the "boy" vaccine and WHY didn't they test one concurrently??  MADem   Feb-02-07 10:09 PM   #240 
                 - too clever by half  iverglas   Feb-03-07 01:40 PM   #262 
                    - And why did you engage with so many people?  AX10   Feb-03-07 03:49 PM   #281 
                    - and what fucking business is it of yours?  iverglas   Feb-03-07 03:54 PM   #285 
                       - How am I "trying to get the thread killed"???  AX10   Feb-03-07 03:57 PM   #287 
                          - that will be enough  iverglas   Feb-03-07 04:11 PM   #290 
                             - All I am saying that people should practice abstinence.  AX10   Feb-03-07 04:27 PM   #296 
                                - What I am saying is that you should mind your own goddamned business  iverglas   Feb-03-07 05:01 PM   #304 
                                   - And do not force your so-called "wants" onto other people!  AX10   Feb-03-07 05:06 PM   #307 
                                      - are you a 12-year-old girl?  iverglas   Feb-03-07 05:20 PM   #310 
                                         - The same thing can be said about you.  AX10   Feb-03-07 07:50 PM   #337 
                                         - "kissing the ring"  iverglas   Feb-03-07 08:12 PM   #343 
                    - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Feb-03-07 11:35 PM   #354 
     - Why are you ashamed? No one is permitted to ask QUESTIONS?  MADem   Feb-02-07 10:00 PM   #235 
        - Exactly! This cutting off of debate is very Frist/McConnell like.  AX10   Feb-03-07 03:45 PM   #278 
           - Oooh, not at all like accusing multiple people of owning Merck stock  iverglas   Feb-03-07 03:51 PM   #283 
              - Fine company your keeping.  AX10   Feb-03-07 03:55 PM   #286 
              - who was that, btw?  iverglas   Feb-04-07 07:43 PM   #379 
              - Geez, it wasn't an accusation, unless you are feeling guilty. It was a question.  MADem   Feb-03-07 11:50 PM   #359 
                 - make a little effort to follow yourself, will you?  iverglas   Feb-04-07 05:27 PM   #373 
                    - Say, do you find THIS revolting, too? I sure as hell do  MADem   Feb-05-07 11:03 AM   #393 
                       - such a sorry lack of imagination hereabouts  iverglas   Feb-05-07 01:15 PM   #399 
                          - You're forgetting that "opt out" means that the kids cannot go  MADem   Feb-05-07 01:54 PM   #401 
                             - but we already know -- I'm a dumbo and a fascist!!  iverglas   Feb-05-07 02:25 PM   #405 
                                - Well, you said it, not me. You know best if you got your characteristics right.  MADem   Feb-05-07 03:20 PM   #407 
                                   - well, I have to say I'm sorry  iverglas   Feb-05-07 03:52 PM   #409 
                                      - And everyone would have your course and outcome if they don't take this shot  MADem   Feb-05-07 04:29 PM   #410 
                                         - oh no, paco!  iverglas   Feb-05-07 04:37 PM   #411 
                                            - Whatever. That isn't true, but who cares. Have fun with your snarkiness.  MADem   Feb-05-07 04:57 PM   #412 
     - What?  depakid   Jan-30-07 06:46 PM   #15 
     - It does not rise to the same level as polio and dyptheria.  AX10   Jan-30-07 06:47 PM   #16 
     - Tell that to a woman who gets cervical cancer  depakid   Jan-30-07 06:53 PM   #20 
        - DPT ring a bell?  AX10   Jan-30-07 06:59 PM   #23 
        - I'm sorry that your brother is handicapped.  Bridget Burke   Jan-31-07 12:32 PM   #53 
        - That's a hit below the belt.  R_M   Jan-31-07 04:47 PM   #56 
        - As R_M said!  AX10   Jan-31-07 06:28 PM   #61 
        - Ahhh...  Party Line   Feb-01-07 02:53 AM   #73 
           - How about if the maker of lethal injections wanted to make that mandatory?  mhatrw   Feb-01-07 06:25 PM   #99 
           - Everything on this thread proves is that there are just....  AX10   Feb-01-07 07:08 PM   #115 
        - This drug does not end the need to have a yearly pap smear.  qanda   Jan-30-07 07:12 PM   #29 
        - Yes, tell that to my aunt, a nurse.  Thor_MN   Jan-30-07 07:13 PM   #30 
        - Why talk them into it when the state can compel them instead? n/t  mhatrw   Feb-01-07 06:27 PM   #100 
        - It's a not fully tested vaccine. I say make it optional. And not opt-out optional. Opt IN optional  MADem   Feb-02-07 10:15 PM   #242 
     - Well, the point of school admission vaccines is to prevent things that could spread in school  LeftyMom   Jan-30-07 08:20 PM   #40 
     - True.  AX10   Jan-30-07 08:34 PM   #42 
        - Sure, but part of personal decision making is weighing risks.  LeftyMom   Jan-30-07 08:38 PM   #43 
           - Also true. I'm on your side here.  AX10   Jan-30-07 08:48 PM   #45 
     - Where is your evidence that this vaccine has been "proven" safe  mhatrw   Feb-01-07 06:18 PM   #97 
        - Heh heheh......I know, I know!!!!!  MADem   Feb-02-07 10:30 PM   #245 
           - You know, there was a time  iverglas   Feb-03-07 02:01 PM   #263 
              - The Facts About Gardasil  mhatrw   Feb-03-07 04:24 PM   #294 
              - comment? sure  iverglas   Feb-03-07 04:44 PM   #302 
                 - Typical.  mhatrw   Feb-03-07 05:13 PM   #309 
                    - wtf??? (edited)  iverglas   Feb-03-07 05:23 PM   #312 
                       - I'm covering my ears? To what? Your semantical detours and  mhatrw   Feb-03-07 05:27 PM   #313 
                          - risk??  iverglas   Feb-03-07 05:31 PM   #315 
                             - Did you read the GARDASIL insert?  mhatrw   Feb-03-07 05:49 PM   #322 
                                - Yup, I'm a dumbo *and* a fascist  iverglas   Feb-03-07 06:13 PM   #326 
                                   - Maybe they are all common risks. Maybe some are new.  mhatrw   Feb-03-07 06:22 PM   #328 
                                      - like I said, you're done  iverglas   Feb-03-07 06:46 PM   #329 
                                         - Per se? What the hell is that supposed to mean? When evaluating  mhatrw   Feb-03-07 07:10 PM   #333 
                                            - don't worry  iverglas   Feb-03-07 07:45 PM   #336 
                                            - Yes. That's what it is. A tiny amount of poison that may have severe  mhatrw   Feb-03-07 11:07 PM   #346 
              - Virtually UNIQUE to women? Huh?  MADem   Feb-03-07 11:26 PM   #352 
     - Should a Polio vaccine be optional? n/t  IanDB1   Jan-30-07 07:40 PM   #32 
        - Yes. n/t  mhatrw   Feb-01-07 06:29 PM   #101 
  - I'm with you, AX10  Bluestar   Jan-30-07 05:28 PM   #5 
  - Thank you for your support.  AX10   Jan-30-07 05:31 PM   #6 
  - I agree with you two, AX10 and Bluestar.  Maat   Feb-02-07 09:59 PM   #234 
  - I Think It's a HUGH Conflict of Interest  Crisco   Feb-01-07 12:06 PM   #83 
  - It's how we got NCLB and statewide testing  Nevernose   Feb-01-07 09:19 PM   #131 
  - You bet there is a huge conflict of interest!  AX10   Feb-02-07 08:22 PM   #222 
  - Big conflict of interest... And I second your opinion about no  midnight   Feb-03-07 05:46 AM   #255 
  - Clear conflict of interest  wholetruth   Feb-03-07 02:51 PM   #268 
  - I don't see much difference between this and the Polio shots....  BlueJazz   Jan-30-07 05:10 PM   #2 
  - Great comparison  mrbassman03   Jan-30-07 05:34 PM   #8 
  - I guess I would go along with that argument  qanda   Jan-30-07 06:55 PM   #21 
  - But was the maker of the poliio vaccine the one who proposed that  Morgana LaFey   Jan-31-07 05:58 PM   #58 
  - And the army's forced anthrax vaccinations?  mhatrw   Feb-01-07 06:31 PM   #102 
  - Polio was not spread only through sexual contact  AllegroRondo   Jan-31-07 11:27 AM   #49 
  - Under the FDA, there is far less testing of drugs than before,  pnwmom   Jan-30-07 06:11 PM   #13 
  - So, a "good" vaccine needs bankrolling from a drug company...  newburgh   Jan-30-07 06:23 PM   #14 
  - Sometimes DU'rs just blow me away with their disdain for public health  depakid   Jan-30-07 06:50 PM   #17 
  - We should not require this vaccine...  Scooter24   Jan-30-07 08:08 PM   #37 
  - Exactly!  AX10   Jan-30-07 08:10 PM   #38 
  - If somebody elects not to get it and they get cerv. cancer then no medicaid.  hollowdweller   Jan-31-07 08:06 PM   #64 
  - Then, does that apply to every elective vaccine  Scooter24   Jan-31-07 11:42 PM   #69 
  - And obviously smokers would get no medicaid  PaulaFarrell   Feb-01-07 04:31 AM   #77 
  - Yes, let them die horribly in the street! n/t  mhatrw   Feb-01-07 06:33 PM   #104 
  - that sounds cold-hearted  JVS   Feb-04-07 02:19 AM   #364 
  - "...which requires an individual to make a choice to engage in sex"  GoddessOfGuinness   Feb-02-07 10:49 PM   #252 
  - You never had any reservations about this vaccine?  AX10   Jan-31-07 10:32 AM   #47 
  - What bothers me most about this whole thing  qanda   Jan-30-07 06:51 PM   #18 
  - It's just frightening to see how many people side with corporations...  AX10   Jan-30-07 06:52 PM   #19 
  - What amazes me is the paranoia and lack of  depakid   Jan-30-07 06:55 PM   #22 
  - ...  AX10   Jan-30-07 06:59 PM   #24 
  - So ignorance of science is the only reason...  Nabeshin   Jan-30-07 07:10 PM   #27 
  - Australia and several European nations already require it  depakid   Jan-30-07 07:41 PM   #33 
  - England also had thalidmide too.  AX10   Jan-30-07 08:32 PM   #41 
  - So Big Pharma has no influence outside the US?  mhatrw   Feb-01-07 06:36 PM   #105 
  - If Australia and several European nations jumped off a bridge...  JVS   Feb-04-07 02:21 AM   #365 
  - depakid probably also sides with Bush  Scooter24   Jan-30-07 07:58 PM   #35 
     - You know Scooter24, I am not against this vaccine.  AX10   Jan-30-07 08:07 PM   #36 
     - Not Mandatory  raebrek   Feb-02-07 12:37 PM   #161 
        - I agree!  AX10   Feb-02-07 08:23 PM   #223 
     - That's a different matter entirely  depakid   Feb-02-07 11:30 AM   #148 
  - ideology trumps science  LanternWaste   Jan-30-07 07:37 PM   #31 
  - No. This is not a knee jerk reaction.  AX10   Jan-30-07 08:15 PM   #39 
  - What's frightening is the loss of our liberties -- the right NOT to  Morgana LaFey   Jan-31-07 06:08 PM   #60 
     - You bet it is not an epidemic.  AX10   Jan-31-07 07:46 PM   #62 
        - You are wrong, it IS reaching epidemic proportions. Ask a few college  SoCalDemGrrl   Feb-01-07 01:32 AM   #72 
        - Show me a link that a high proportion of cervical cancers ..  Maat   Feb-02-07 10:07 PM   #237 
        - You know nothing.  Party Line   Feb-01-07 03:07 AM   #75 
        - You're right. Just because many vaccines have long term health issues  mhatrw   Feb-01-07 06:40 PM   #106 
        - It's times like this that I am proud to say that I am a registered...  AX10   Feb-01-07 07:18 PM   #121 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-02-07 10:24 PM   #243 
        - Well, let's be fair. There is ONE really, really good reason to do so  Morgana LaFey   Feb-02-07 02:44 PM   #181 
  - But it ISN'T science.  Xithras   Jan-30-07 08:47 PM   #44 
     - My feelings exactly! My two daughters will not be guinea pigs for  Bunny   Jan-31-07 11:54 AM   #51 
     - I'm well over 18 and I don't want it!  R_M   Jan-31-07 04:39 PM   #54 
        - Do some math--privately.  Bridget Burke   Feb-01-07 07:48 AM   #79 
           - Whoa! You are not acusing the poster of anything?  AX10   Feb-01-07 07:28 PM   #124 
              - Not at all.  Bridget Burke   Feb-02-07 07:21 AM   #142 
                 - and unless  iverglas   Feb-02-07 10:18 AM   #146 
                    - Men can be sexually assulted too. Why not make them get it as well?  Coventina   Feb-02-07 12:32 PM   #160 
                       - I don't think I grasp your point  iverglas   Feb-02-07 12:52 PM   #166 
                          - My point is, I'm troubled about legislating a requirement on the basis of sex  Coventina   Feb-02-07 12:58 PM   #169 
                             - I think I answered ...  iverglas   Feb-02-07 01:18 PM   #171 
                                - It's scarce and expensive because Merck wants it to be that way  MADem   Feb-02-07 10:43 PM   #249 
                                   - just fyi  iverglas   Feb-03-07 02:21 PM   #264 
                                      - You are cherry picking facts and assuming that there are no associated risks.  mhatrw   Feb-03-07 04:27 PM   #297 
                                      - reproduced with permission ...  iverglas   Feb-03-07 05:03 PM   #306 
                                         - Have you ever contributed anything to this thread that has a  mhatrw   Feb-03-07 05:43 PM   #319 
                                         - how things seem to you are not my problem  iverglas   Feb-03-07 06:04 PM   #324 
                                         - reproduced with permission  iverglas   Feb-03-07 06:19 PM   #327 
                                         - Well, gee, MERCK says it's safe!!!! Trust them--REALLY!!! That VIOXX fuckup was a one-off!!! NT  MADem   Feb-03-07 11:13 PM   #349 
                                      - Death by drowning vaccine....  MADem   Feb-03-07 11:11 PM   #348 
     - Very well-put, Xithras!  Maat   Feb-02-07 10:08 PM   #239 
  - I feel as though I have every right to protect my child from greedy corporations  qanda   Jan-30-07 07:02 PM   #25 
  - It's NOT an experimental vaccine  depakid   Jan-30-07 07:12 PM   #28 
     - Otherwise, if big pharma has their way, your child will be ripped away from  newburgh   Jan-30-07 07:52 PM   #34 
     - Show us the evidence that this vaccine is both safe and effective then.  mhatrw   Feb-01-07 06:44 PM   #107 
        - you are not really interested in answers, are you?  nodehopper   Feb-02-07 08:11 PM   #217 
           - I found the facts. Care to comment on them?  mhatrw   Feb-03-07 04:28 PM   #298 
  - Not siding w/corporations but my college daughter has 4 friends  SoCalDemGrrl   Feb-01-07 01:23 AM   #70 
  - not for the rest of their lives  nodehopper   Feb-01-07 07:56 AM   #80 
     - Correction noted, however this is a terrible precancerous condition  SoCalDemGrrl   Feb-01-07 04:12 PM   #89 
     - oh, I completely agree  nodehopper   Feb-01-07 04:55 PM   #92 
     - YES- you have to be concerned the rest of your life  CatFelyne   Feb-02-07 07:36 PM   #212 
        - I am not disagreeing with you  nodehopper   Feb-02-07 08:13 PM   #218 
  - Some of them just don't make the connection, I fear  MADem   Feb-05-07 02:08 PM   #402 
  - I agree  Digit   Jan-31-07 08:11 PM   #65 
  - Can you name a *vaccine* for which this has been true?  Oak2004   Feb-03-07 01:15 PM   #259 
     - thank you  iverglas   Feb-03-07 02:37 PM   #266 
     - So all vaccines have tiny risks, right?  mhatrw   Feb-03-07 04:33 PM   #299 
        - can you stay on one horse while we're in this stream? (edited)  iverglas   Feb-03-07 05:34 PM   #316 
           - The argument for making the polio vaccine mandatory was once  mhatrw   Feb-03-07 05:46 PM   #321 
  - Yeah, I guess big pharma does want that  WatchWhatISay   Jan-30-07 07:05 PM   #26 
  - Prepubescent girls are going to be more worried about cancer than pregnancy?  rocknation   Jan-31-07 09:04 AM   #46 
  - Condoms have not been proven to stop the transfer of HPV --  Katherine Brengle   Feb-01-07 12:33 PM   #86 
     - Condoms haven't been proven to stop HPV, but this vaccine has?  mhatrw   Feb-01-07 06:47 PM   #108 
  - I see this "requirement" as a violation of individual rights.  Ilsa   Jan-31-07 10:47 AM   #48 
  - That's how I see it as well ...  DixieBlue   Jan-31-07 12:01 PM   #52 
     - I'm disappointed in Governor Granholm.  R_M   Jan-31-07 04:40 PM   #55 
     - I hope someoen looks at the sponosring lawmakers' bank accounts  Ilsa   Feb-01-07 03:43 PM   #88 
  - If we can eliminate HPV caused Cervical Cancer, we should do it  WindRavenX   Jan-31-07 06:05 PM   #59 
  - And I'm ashamed that so many DUer's are so blindly willing to...  AX10   Jan-31-07 07:48 PM   #63 
     - Cervical cancer can be almost ELIMINATED  WindRavenX   Jan-31-07 08:49 PM   #68 
     - Cervical cancer and HPV has reached epidemic proportions in the U.S.  SoCalDemGrrl   Feb-01-07 01:29 AM   #71 
     - AX10, my daughter just went through a cervical cancer scare.  SeattleGirl   Feb-01-07 03:00 AM   #74 
     - Amen Seattle Girl, well said & thank God your daughter is OK!!  SoCalDemGrrl   Feb-01-07 04:14 PM   #90 
     - No one is stopping anybody from getting a voluntary vaccination.  mhatrw   Feb-01-07 06:50 PM   #109 
        - If it is Mandatory  raebrek   Feb-02-07 12:47 PM   #164 
     - Blind???  Party Line   Feb-01-07 03:18 AM   #76 
     - Weird that you keep spouting off about your knowledge without  mhatrw   Feb-01-07 06:53 PM   #110 
     - AND FURTHER ...the testing was a RUSH JOB..(ONLY 100 girls test)  OKthatsIT   Feb-02-07 08:09 PM   #215 
  - I'm sorry we shouldn't make this mandatory  lovuian   Jan-31-07 08:12 PM   #66 
  - I feel compelled to respond to those who say HPV is not epidemic...  colinmom71   Feb-01-07 06:48 AM   #78 
  - Great post. nt  Katherine Brengle   Feb-01-07 12:36 PM   #87 
  - That was a balanced post. Thank you.  mhatrw   Feb-01-07 06:58 PM   #111 
  - thanks - and  iverglas   Feb-01-07 07:25 PM   #123 
     - That is one of the most screwed up things I have ever read.  mhatrw   Feb-02-07 04:14 PM   #195 
        - yes, yes, you're right; I'm a fascist  iverglas   Feb-02-07 05:58 PM   #208 
           - See reply 210.  mhatrw   Feb-02-07 06:31 PM   #211 
  - Yes - this should be a required immunization  Taverner   Feb-01-07 11:29 AM   #81 
  - I agree -- who cares HOW you get HPV  TheLeftyMom   Feb-01-07 12:00 PM   #82 
     - Yes, it's a CURE FOR CANCER. Thanks Lefty Mom & btw I like yr website!!  SoCalDemGrrl   Feb-01-07 04:20 PM   #91 
     - What is your evidence that this vaccine is both safe and effective?  mhatrw   Feb-01-07 06:09 PM   #94 
     - Actually, it is a preventative, not a cure  dansolo   Feb-01-07 07:11 PM   #118 
  - This is complicated...  Katherine Brengle   Feb-01-07 12:26 PM   #84 
  - not to mention that you can get it without having sex  nodehopper   Feb-01-07 04:56 PM   #93 
     - Where is the evidence that condoms are less effective in  mhatrw   Feb-01-07 07:00 PM   #112 
        - that question doesn't make sense to me, sorry  nodehopper   Feb-02-07 12:51 AM   #135 
           - You didn't answer the question.  mhatrw   Feb-02-07 01:14 AM   #137 
              - Go to the appropriate websites (FDA, etc.) & do your own research. nt  IdaBriggs   Feb-02-07 07:19 AM   #141 
              - There answers don't exist. At least not yet. That's my point. n/t  mhatrw   Feb-02-07 12:08 PM   #154 
                 - Yes, they do. You've been referred to the appropriate websites  IdaBriggs   Feb-02-07 01:29 PM   #172 
                    - No, they don't. None of the websites discuss cervical cancer mortality  mhatrw   Feb-02-07 02:06 PM   #175 
                       - you're quite amusing now  iverglas   Feb-02-07 02:39 PM   #179 
                          - What is it you don't understand? This is a risk vs. benefit analysis.  mhatrw   Feb-02-07 02:54 PM   #183 
                             - I have an idea  iverglas   Feb-02-07 03:23 PM   #188 
                                - How about some intellectual honesty on both sides instead of "CURE FOR CANCER"?  mhatrw   Feb-02-07 03:47 PM   #190 
                                   - you talking to me?  iverglas   Feb-02-07 04:07 PM   #193 
                                   - You do have a television. Right? You've seen all the ads? Right?  mhatrw   Feb-02-07 04:25 PM   #198 
                                      - You'd know the truth if you tripped on it, right?  iverglas   Feb-02-07 05:27 PM   #205 
                                         - If you are really attracted to sophistry like a moth,  mhatrw   Feb-02-07 05:44 PM   #207 
                                            - eh? what was that?  iverglas   Feb-02-07 06:00 PM   #209 
                                            - Are you joking? Do you really think vaccines have no associated risks?  mhatrw   Feb-02-07 06:25 PM   #210 
                                            - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-04-07 09:27 PM   #382 
                                   - no one  nodehopper   Feb-03-07 03:53 PM   #284 
                                      - It's been said multiple times by vaccination advocates in this very  mhatrw   Feb-03-07 04:36 PM   #301 
              - I'm sorry, I think that's a stupid comparison  nodehopper   Feb-02-07 10:04 AM   #145 
                 - You are the one saying the vaccine protects you while condoms  mhatrw   Feb-02-07 12:11 PM   #155 
                    - condoms help  nodehopper   Feb-02-07 12:30 PM   #158 
                       - in case I didn't make it clear  nodehopper   Feb-02-07 12:32 PM   #159 
                       - So condoms (75%) are better than the vaccine (70%) ...  mhatrw   Feb-02-07 02:10 PM   #176 
                          - where are you getting 75% from?  nodehopper   Feb-02-07 04:20 PM   #197 
                             - Your scientific ignorance is astounding.  mhatrw   Feb-02-07 04:36 PM   #200 
                                - yes, there has been one study  nodehopper   Feb-02-07 05:11 PM   #202 
                                   - Bullshit.  mhatrw   Feb-02-07 05:22 PM   #204 
                                      - one more try  nodehopper   Feb-02-07 07:54 PM   #214 
                                         - More bullshit.  mhatrw   Feb-02-07 10:42 PM   #247 
                                            - omg do you really not understand how medical testing is done  nodehopper   Feb-03-07 04:14 PM   #291 
                                               - Just admit that you screwed up and go on with your life.  mhatrw   Feb-03-07 05:01 PM   #305 
                                                  - a couplel of responses ago I rephrased what I was saying  nodehopper   Feb-03-07 06:58 PM   #332 
                                                     - So this vaccine isn't really about preventing cervical cancer, now is it?  mhatrw   Feb-03-07 11:24 PM   #351 
                                                     - of course the vaccine is about preventing cervical cancer  nodehopper   Feb-04-07 04:02 PM   #367 
                                                     - There is no 30% contraction rate!  mhatrw   Feb-04-07 07:58 PM   #380 
                                                     - where are you getting these numbers?  nodehopper   Feb-04-07 10:17 PM   #384 
                                                     - It turns out the real numbers are more complicated than I imagined.  mhatrw   Feb-04-07 11:08 PM   #385 
                                                     - wow  nodehopper   Feb-05-07 12:08 PM   #395 
                                                     - The exact numbers for all HPV complications other than warts.  mhatrw   Feb-04-07 11:47 PM   #386 
                                                     - the number is lower for whom?  nodehopper   Feb-05-07 12:03 PM   #394 
  - For everybody supporting yet another MANDATORY vaccination ...  mhatrw   Feb-01-07 06:11 PM   #95 
  - Yeah what you said! If some think it is ok then get a shot and leave others alone!  Sapere aude   Feb-01-07 06:22 PM   #98 
  - Exactly. n/t  mhatrw   Feb-01-07 07:02 PM   #113 
  - That's what I have been saying.  AX10   Feb-01-07 07:02 PM   #114 
     - Vioxx is different! This is a CURE FOR CANCER!  mhatrw   Feb-01-07 07:11 PM   #117 
     - You forgot the "sarcasm" emotcon.  AX10   Feb-01-07 07:12 PM   #119 
     - Point well-taken, although I sure giggled at the way that was put!  Maat   Feb-03-07 12:07 PM   #258 
     - Ummm ... the manufacturer of this vaccine clearly states ..  Maat   Feb-02-07 10:15 PM   #241 
        - Good. Because they don't even have a shred of hard clinical evidence  mhatrw   Feb-02-07 10:43 PM   #248 
           - Exactly (n/t)!  Maat   Feb-03-07 12:04 PM   #257 
     - I'm with you.  Treclo   Feb-02-07 11:37 AM   #150 
        - I am sorry to hear about you situation.  AX10   Feb-02-07 08:50 PM   #228 
  - well  nodehopper   Feb-02-07 04:26 PM   #199 
     - That's NOT what the website said, which is why you didn't link it.  mhatrw   Feb-02-07 05:20 PM   #203 
  - Food for thought.  mhatrw   Feb-01-07 07:23 PM   #122 
  - Here's the funny thing I just learned. When they did the Gardasil study,  mhatrw   Feb-01-07 07:58 PM   #126 
  - A little more from that Straight story  iverglas   Feb-01-07 08:12 PM   #128 
     - Who in the control group died of cervical cancer?  mhatrw   Feb-01-07 09:03 PM   #129 
        - funny  iverglas   Feb-01-07 09:30 PM   #132 
           - funny  mhatrw   Feb-01-07 11:23 PM   #133 
              - so many question marks ...  iverglas   Feb-02-07 09:20 AM   #144 
                 - Do you even understand why alum is in vaccines?  mhatrw   Feb-02-07 12:04 PM   #152 
                    - are you a bot?  iverglas   Feb-02-07 12:47 PM   #163 
                       - My point has always been the same. Putting something in your mouth  mhatrw   Feb-02-07 02:05 PM   #174 
  - As a physician for both medicine and pediatric patients...  kutastha   Feb-02-07 01:12 AM   #136 
  - Do any diseases ever wane in efficacy without vaccines?  mhatrw   Feb-02-07 01:18 AM   #138 
     - Can you elaborate a bit?  kutastha   Feb-02-07 01:41 AM   #139 
        - Can you show me how GARDASIL vaccinations are projected to affect the  mhatrw   Feb-02-07 12:07 PM   #153 
           - can you explain what "age groups" have to do with this?  iverglas   Feb-02-07 01:00 PM   #170 
           - Nice side step.  mhatrw   Feb-02-07 01:56 PM   #173 
           - PubMed anyone? Here's some peer-reviewed just for you :-)  CatFelyne   Feb-02-07 08:11 PM   #216 
              - Blah, blah, blah.  mhatrw   Feb-02-07 09:36 PM   #230 
  - There are two entirely separate controversies here, IMHO...  benEzra   Feb-02-07 06:59 AM   #140 
  - I Was Hoping Someone Would Bring Up Choice & Education  lligrd   Feb-02-07 10:50 AM   #147 
  - do you feel the same way about polio vaccine?  nodehopper   Feb-02-07 08:15 PM   #220 
  - No one's making you a "lab rat -and using that meme  depakid   Feb-02-07 11:35 AM   #149 
  - Yes, we need laws to ensure that YOU decide the acceptable  mhatrw   Feb-02-07 12:21 PM   #157 
  - Science needs to decide on matters of public health  depakid   Feb-02-07 12:49 PM   #165 
     - Five cases of polio (infectious) should detemine public policy for HPV (communicable)?  mhatrw   Feb-02-07 02:28 PM   #177 
     - HA! Pharma probably snuck the virus into their community  OKthatsIT   Feb-02-07 08:55 PM   #229 
  - If you believe that you have the right to make MY choices for me,  benEzra   Feb-02-07 12:46 PM   #162 
     - Yep- we DO have the right and the responsibility  depakid   Feb-02-07 12:54 PM   #167 
     - Those were INFECTIOUS diseases and SAFETY PROVEN preventatives.  mhatrw   Feb-02-07 02:43 PM   #180 
     - This entire debate proves to me that there are just...  AX10   Feb-02-07 08:30 PM   #226 
     - How did this become about you?  iverglas   Feb-02-07 12:58 PM   #168 
        - But YOU do get to make these decisions for MY kids, right?  mhatrw   Feb-02-07 02:38 PM   #178 
        - Kindly do not make any further false statements about me,  iverglas   Feb-02-07 02:51 PM   #182 
           - And what am I up to? I'm protecting my right of informed consent against  mhatrw   Feb-02-07 03:01 PM   #184 
              - so sorry, that was neither a retraction nor an apology  iverglas   Feb-02-07 03:05 PM   #185 
                 - Yes, you are side-stepping the issue once again.  mhatrw   Feb-02-07 03:48 PM   #192 
                 - me, worry?  iverglas   Feb-02-07 04:09 PM   #194 
                 - He owes you no apology!  AX10   Feb-02-07 08:33 PM   #227 
                    - when I want your opinion, I'll be sure to ask  iverglas   Feb-03-07 02:41 PM   #267 
                       - Interesting, I have the same feelings that you do.  AX10   Feb-03-07 04:10 PM   #289 
        - I would argue that avoiding the vaccine is NOT seriously ..  Maat   Feb-02-07 10:27 PM   #244 
           - argue with you?  iverglas   Feb-03-07 03:06 PM   #270 
              - There is no shred of evidence of the harmful effects ..  Maat   Feb-03-07 05:30 PM   #314 
                 - study and identify ... WHAT??? effects of WHAT???  iverglas   Feb-03-07 05:42 PM   #318 
                    - Whatever.  Maat   Feb-03-07 06:53 PM   #331 
                       - empathy, that's a good one  iverglas   Feb-03-07 07:36 PM   #335 
                          - Well, I will be working to ensure that there is a well-publicized ..  Maat   Feb-03-07 08:01 PM   #340 
                             - no forgiveness here  iverglas   Feb-03-07 08:09 PM   #341 
                                - You did behave as if you were qualified by using terms such as  Maat   Feb-03-07 08:15 PM   #345 
  - Yes, the issue is informed consent.  mhatrw   Feb-02-07 12:19 PM   #156 
  - Update: Goodhair Perry orders Texas to require the vaccine!  KamaAina   Feb-02-07 03:10 PM   #186 
  - obviously, mandated health care without universal health insurance  iverglas   Feb-02-07 03:47 PM   #191 
     - mandated vaccinations are covered  nodehopper   Feb-02-07 08:16 PM   #221 
        - thanks! -- so in Texas  iverglas   Feb-03-07 02:59 PM   #269 
  - Here are the stats  TexasBushwhacker   Feb-02-07 03:39 PM   #189 
  - What are the age ranges for these cervical cancer deaths?  mhatrw   Feb-02-07 05:28 PM   #206 
     - How about a 23 yr old who DIED of cervical cancer b4 routine HPV  SoCalDemGrrl   Feb-02-07 08:14 PM   #219 
     - IF is the operative word here.  mhatrw   Feb-02-07 09:41 PM   #231 
        - How can we make it mandatory u ask? Because something like 70% of college  SoCalDemGrrl   Feb-03-07 11:11 PM   #347 
           - You don't understand the facts.  mhatrw   Feb-04-07 03:57 PM   #366 
              - I understand that MANY young women have been DYING of cervical cancer  SoCalDemGrrl   Feb-04-07 06:04 PM   #374 
                 - How many otherwise healthy US women under 25 getting annual pap smears  mhatrw   Feb-04-07 08:10 PM   #381 
     - you are asking for two sets of statistics  nodehopper   Feb-02-07 08:25 PM   #224 
     - Please note:  mhatrw   Feb-02-07 09:49 PM   #233 
        - the basic biology  nodehopper   Feb-02-07 10:07 PM   #238 
           - And that's enough to make this vaccination compulsory for you?  mhatrw   Feb-02-07 11:00 PM   #253 
              - yes, that is enough for me to make the vaccine mandated  nodehopper   Feb-03-07 10:45 AM   #256 
                 - You don't know the risks and you don't the benefits but you want  mhatrw   Feb-03-07 03:37 PM   #276 
                    - I know the risks  nodehopper   Feb-03-07 04:06 PM   #288 
                       - You don't know the risks. It's a new vaccine made using a new procedure.  mhatrw   Feb-03-07 05:21 PM   #311 
                          - you can assess risks of something  nodehopper   Feb-03-07 06:47 PM   #330 
                             - Sorry, dupe. n/t  mhatrw   Feb-03-07 11:42 PM   #357 
                             - Why? Why are you so concerned about forcing my little girls to be  mhatrw   Feb-03-07 11:49 PM   #358 
                                - thus far  nodehopper   Feb-04-07 01:31 AM   #361 
                                   - You never addressed any of my risk issues.  mhatrw   Feb-04-07 02:12 AM   #362 
                                      - That's because there AREN'T any reasonable "risk issues."  depakid   Feb-05-07 12:47 AM   #387 
                                         - You are a vaccine risk denier. Just read the damn Merck produced insert!  mhatrw   Feb-05-07 04:06 AM   #388 
                                            - Posts like this are precidely the reason we need laws mandating  depakid   Feb-05-07 04:23 AM   #389 
                                               - Yes, anyone who disagrees your omniscience must be compelled to  mhatrw   Feb-05-07 05:43 AM   #390 
                                                  - Nope scientists around the world should decide  depakid   Feb-05-07 02:16 PM   #404 
                                                  - People who don't have any problem with mandatory GARDASIL vaccinations  mhatrw   Feb-05-07 09:38 PM   #414 
     - what is this fixation on death?  iverglas   Feb-03-07 03:15 PM   #272 
        - The rate of cervical cancer in US is small, and there is zero clinical  mhatrw   Feb-03-07 06:10 PM   #325 
           - It may be small, but ask any college health ctr and the cases of dysplasia  SoCalDemGrrl   Feb-03-07 11:17 PM   #350 
              - No. I'm going to argue that as long as there is no evidence for  mhatrw   Feb-03-07 11:30 PM   #353 
  - Read this NY Times article, please.  mhatrw   Feb-02-07 07:47 PM   #213 
  - Thank you!  AX10   Feb-02-07 08:26 PM   #225 
  - Yes, thank you (n/t)!  Maat   Feb-02-07 10:31 PM   #246 
  - WOW. Surprise, surprise. It very well COULD be all about the MONEY. NT  MADem   Feb-02-07 10:45 PM   #250 
  - Maybe people should read this NY Times article, too  depakid   Feb-03-07 05:39 AM   #254 
  - especially since the first one was actually not an "article"  iverglas   Feb-03-07 03:34 PM   #275 
  - Mhatrw, can I ask do you have a horse in this race? I mean do u have a  SoCalDemGrrl   Feb-03-07 11:41 PM   #356 
  - The Fascist Rick Perry is now requiring the vaccine by Executive Order....  censorshipsux   Feb-03-07 02:23 PM   #265 
  - DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED -- MUST READ  USA No. 1   Feb-03-07 03:22 PM   #273 
  - Al Sharpton beat diabeties by losing alot of weight and...  AX10   Feb-03-07 03:27 PM   #274 
  - Then Al Sharpton has type II diabetes  iverglas   Feb-03-07 03:46 PM   #279 
     - As I said, there are extremists on both sides.  AX10   Feb-03-07 03:48 PM   #280 
  - do you understand the difference between high cholesterol and a viral illness  nodehopper   Feb-03-07 03:50 PM   #282 
  - I'm not saying there aren't people who need these drugs, but....  USA No. 1   Feb-03-07 04:16 PM   #292 
     - Which diet and exercise regimen did you decide on  iverglas   Feb-03-07 04:23 PM   #293 
     - There is a difference between the lifestyle drugs that are being pushed and  USA No. 1   Feb-03-07 04:35 PM   #300 
        - I give up  iverglas   Feb-03-07 05:11 PM   #308 
           - No one will stop you if you want to take vaccine....  USA No. 1   Feb-03-07 05:56 PM   #323 
              - I'm sorry to say that you are not going to get an agreement...  AX10   Feb-03-07 07:58 PM   #339 
              - on the contrary  nodehopper   Feb-04-07 04:09 PM   #369 
                 - Yes nodehopper, for that reason it SHOULD be mandated  SoCalDemGrrl   Feb-04-07 06:07 PM   #375 
                 - Nice spinning there.  AX10   Feb-04-07 06:57 PM   #376 
                    - let me try to explain for you  iverglas   Feb-04-07 07:38 PM   #378 
                       - yes, thank you  nodehopper   Feb-04-07 10:12 PM   #383 
     - a three-shot vaccine is not a lifetime regimen  nodehopper   Feb-04-07 04:06 PM   #368 
        - Do some googling--they say that boosters may be required every FOUR years.  MADem   Feb-05-07 10:51 AM   #392 
           - check it out  nodehopper   Feb-05-07 05:26 PM   #413 
              - Well, first off, your source is a BIG PHARMA funded newsletter, so how believable is that?  MADem   Feb-06-07 03:10 PM   #415 
  - thanks for sharing. i've known for quite awhile that our medical system sucks.  NotGivingUp   Feb-03-07 07:33 PM   #334 
  - how is a one-time, three-shot vaccine "drugs for the rest of your life"?  nodehopper   Feb-04-07 04:10 PM   #370 
     - Do some googling--turns out the thing might need boosters every four years.  MADem   Feb-05-07 12:36 PM   #397 
  - Isn't the HPV vaccine  ripple   Feb-05-07 02:08 PM   #403 
  - it should not be required because every one has a different body  cap   Feb-03-07 04:26 PM   #295 
  - PLEASE READ THIS POST IF YOU ARE AT ALL INFORMED ON THIS ISSUE!  mhatrw   Feb-07-07 04:03 AM   #416 
 

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