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31. Any winter climber who has ANY business going on Hood this time of
year is gonna have the the sense to carry plenty of gear for bad weather. Snow climbing is a whole different animal from summer camping. These guys were prepared.

Sometimes your number is just up.
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  -One Mt. Hood climber found dead. brook  Dec-17-06 05:50 PM   #0 
  - It's not as sad as the family who lost their dad when they were stuck in the snow recently.  truthisfreedom   Dec-17-06 05:54 PM   #1 
  - It's not a competition. n/t  beam me up scottie   Dec-17-06 05:55 PM   #2 
  - Sorry.  brook   Dec-17-06 05:56 PM   #3 
  - I'm sorry if I offended you. There was no condemnation intended in my post.  truthisfreedom   Dec-17-06 06:15 PM   #15 
     - Thanks for the apology...I think.  brook   Dec-17-06 06:32 PM   #22 
     - So should his wife, his kids, his parents not have loved him,  hlthe2b   Dec-17-06 07:26 PM   #48 
     - I have sympathy for his family too  proud2Blib   Dec-17-06 07:40 PM   #57 
        - I have sympathy for his family and friends.  TankLV   Dec-17-06 10:03 PM   #92 
     - Oh come on  proud2Blib   Dec-17-06 07:38 PM   #55 
     - I thought that too, Proud2Blib, but apparently December is  hlthe2b   Dec-17-06 07:49 PM   #62 
     - It was not unseasonal; it was just BIG.  janx   Dec-17-06 07:56 PM   #63 
     - yes, I meant to say unusual, not really unseasonal...eom  hlthe2b   Dec-17-06 08:00 PM   #64 
        - The strange thing is that Oregon has been getting  janx   Dec-17-06 08:09 PM   #66 
     - I think we could call it unseasonable if it was JULY  proud2Blib   Dec-17-06 08:32 PM   #69 
        - yes.."misspoke"...meant unusual--typed unseasonable....  hlthe2b   Dec-17-06 08:56 PM   #77 
           - "Unusual" is kind of misleading too.  Buck Rabbit   Dec-17-06 09:32 PM   #84 
              - Same applies to the Colorado Rockies where I live...  hlthe2b   Dec-17-06 09:39 PM   #85 
              - I lived in Colorado for 11 years...  janx   Dec-17-06 09:48 PM   #88 
                 - I've lived in the MW, NE, and SE: it really doesn't apply there...  hlthe2b   Dec-17-06 10:00 PM   #90 
                    - Yeah, the NW gets wonderful, brutal snow. n/t  janx   Dec-17-06 10:14 PM   #96 
              - The Columbia River Gorge is..  janx   Dec-17-06 09:43 PM   #86 
     - When I compare YOUR heartless lack of compassion  Trajan   Dec-18-06 10:34 AM   #111 
     - You risk climbing a mountain, you accept the possibility  psychopomp   Dec-17-06 09:44 PM   #87 
     - you get into a car  northzax   Dec-18-06 11:58 AM   #118 
     - Well by all means, everyone on the board hear this  treestar   Dec-18-06 08:04 AM   #110 
     - Knowledge of risks means shit  liberalhistorian   Dec-17-06 06:33 PM   #23 
        - well, yeah I am  AZDemDist6   Dec-17-06 06:41 PM   #27 
        - The storm that trapped  brook   Dec-17-06 06:46 PM   #28 
        - of course he did and was heroic in his efforts to protect them  AZDemDist6   Dec-17-06 06:51 PM   #30 
        - Any winter climber who has ANY business going on Hood this time of  kestrel91316   Dec-17-06 06:51 PM   #31 
        - Exactly, thank you.  liberalhistorian   Dec-17-06 06:52 PM   #32 
        - i'm not discounting the grief of their loved ones  AZDemDist6   Dec-17-06 07:03 PM   #39 
        - no such thing  AZDemDist6   Dec-17-06 07:31 PM   #54 
        - It is December  proud2Blib   Dec-17-06 07:43 PM   #58 
        - Exactly.  truthisfreedom   Dec-17-06 07:12 PM   #43 
        - And my friends died this spring doing what they loved  KurtNYC   Dec-17-06 08:10 PM   #67 
        - Mammoth is a monster  AZDemDist6   Dec-17-06 08:15 PM   #68 
        - Agreed  KevinJ   Dec-19-06 05:14 PM   #139 
        - It isn't as sad to me personally. I said nothing about his family. Look, I didn't kill anybody.  truthisfreedom   Dec-17-06 07:05 PM   #41 
        - I understand, TIF.... Some recent DU threads, though have had  hlthe2b   Dec-17-06 07:31 PM   #53 
        - Not Necessarily  iamjoy   Dec-17-06 09:02 PM   #79 
        - Thanks for this.  tabasco   Dec-17-06 11:27 PM   #103 
           - Thank you. I agree.  cwydro   Dec-18-06 04:43 AM   #108 
  - Any death is sad. His family will grieve as much as that other  Cleita   Dec-17-06 05:57 PM   #5 
  - uh oh  Little Wing   Dec-17-06 05:57 PM   #6 
  - Ask not for whom the bell tolls...  rockymountaindem   Dec-17-06 05:58 PM   #7 
  - How do you decide things like this?***  Egalitariat   Dec-17-06 06:03 PM   #9 
  - I doubt they set out thinking they'd not be returning.  Lastlaughin08   Dec-17-06 06:16 PM   #17 
  - Not only that, but the ice shelter and presence of climbing  Warpy   Dec-17-06 06:20 PM   #19 
     - The gear is typical for winter snow climbing. Hood is known for  kestrel91316   Dec-17-06 06:55 PM   #35 
        - exactly!  AZDemDist6   Dec-17-06 07:05 PM   #40 
        - Would you climb a mountain in DECEMBER?  proud2Blib   Dec-17-06 07:44 PM   #59 
           - Why not December? It's my understanding that Mt. Hood snow  Morgana LaFey   Dec-18-06 11:21 AM   #113 
           - I would not personally tackle Hood in December, but then I am  kestrel91316   Dec-18-06 11:29 AM   #114 
  - If the dead climber is James Kelley, he has a wife and three  liberalhistorian   Dec-17-06 06:34 PM   #24 
  - When one is married and has children one has responsibilities  AngryAmish   Dec-17-06 08:51 PM   #75 
  - I agree. I won't drive to the next town over in a snow storm, and always check  mycritters2   Dec-17-06 09:11 PM   #80 
  - No one is saying it is less sad  proud2Blib   Dec-17-06 10:39 PM   #100 
     - Please stop it! I used to respect proud2Blib's posts.  High Plains   Dec-18-06 12:48 PM   #124 
        - Tacky as opposed to suicidal  proud2Blib   Dec-18-06 04:29 PM   #136 
           - Agree again......this is some kind of record, but when you're right,  mycritters2   Dec-19-06 01:47 PM   #138 
  - Natural selection  proud2Blib   Dec-17-06 07:31 PM   #52 
  - So one person's death is more "valuable"  mountainvue   Dec-17-06 07:45 PM   #60 
  - see, to me  northzax   Dec-18-06 12:00 PM   #119 
  - Body found in second ice cave  BrotherBuzz   Dec-17-06 05:56 PM   #4 
  - As one who lives in the Pacific Northwest  oldtime dfl_er   Dec-17-06 06:02 PM   #8 
  - Yes, the rescuers are heroes.  brook   Dec-17-06 06:08 PM   #11 
  - The climbers didn't do everything right...  BrotherBuzz   Dec-17-06 06:26 PM   #20 
  - Sorry bout your cousin.  brook   Dec-17-06 06:40 PM   #26 
  - She'd probably spearhead the effort once she finds closer  BrotherBuzz   Dec-17-06 07:03 PM   #38 
  - Unfortunately, it looks like the climbing community doesn't want mandated Mountain Locator Units  brentspeak   Dec-17-06 06:50 PM   #29 
  - Not unlike the arguments against....  BrotherBuzz   Dec-17-06 07:16 PM   #45 
  - Do they consider that the rescuers  tblue37   Dec-17-06 10:01 PM   #91 
     - That, and I suspect the Mountain Rescue boys are loaded with radios for instant communication  BrotherBuzz   Dec-17-06 10:46 PM   #101 
     - since the rescuers are mountaineers in Oregon themselves  northzax   Dec-18-06 12:02 PM   #120 
     - If thinking of others was in the forefront of their minds...  KevinJ   Dec-19-06 06:32 PM   #140 
  - I sincerely hope that this guy does not represent the whole  janx   Dec-17-06 07:21 PM   #47 
  - enhanced 911 cell phones, PLB's, and rescue costs  BrightKnight   Dec-17-06 09:28 PM   #83 
  - Does he offer words of gratitude for those who risk their lives to rescue  mycritters2   Dec-17-06 09:13 PM   #81 
  - agreed! I was so glad when those babies came out  AZDemDist6   Dec-17-06 07:18 PM   #46 
  - I found this comment at HuffPO, he seems to know whereof he speaks.  achtung_circus   Dec-17-06 08:36 PM   #70 
  - Now is not the time...  janx   Dec-17-06 08:47 PM   #72 
  - Sorry about your cousin.  TriMetFan   Dec-17-06 11:41 PM   #104 
     - The MLU debate has been ongoing for over a decade  BrotherBuzz   Dec-18-06 12:16 AM   #105 
  - One thing everybody needs to remember: ALL THE RESCUERS  kestrel91316   Dec-17-06 07:00 PM   #37 
     - bingo! n/t  AZDemDist6   Dec-17-06 07:07 PM   #42 
     - "Mountain rescue is just one more way to get the adrenaline fix,"  janx   Dec-17-06 07:31 PM   #50 
        - I didn't say they were. But it's a bonus.  kestrel91316   Dec-18-06 11:31 AM   # 
  - "And a word for the rescuers...they are really heroic people."  Wcross   Dec-17-06 06:14 PM   #14 
  - That's right.. As a Coloradoan... we have become somewhat  hlthe2b   Dec-17-06 07:39 PM   #56 
  - On news tonite they found their camera  LiberalFighter   Dec-19-06 07:20 PM   #141 
  - I'm very very sad about this. I don't understand the passion behind  onecent   Dec-17-06 06:06 PM   #10 
  - "They died doing something they loved..." I guess their families wish they took up fishing.  NoodleyAppendage   Dec-17-06 08:54 PM   #76 
     - NEEDLESS, risky activities now verbotin for parents!!!  piedmont   Dec-17-06 09:55 PM   #89 
        - At least with those you list there's a reasonable chance of being saved.  NoodleyAppendage   Dec-17-06 10:20 PM   #97 
        - You might also want to add drinking and recreational  mountainvue   Dec-18-06 12:59 PM   #127 
  - Oh, shoot.  Suich   Dec-17-06 06:13 PM   #12 
  - I think we all did.  brook   Dec-17-06 06:15 PM   #16 
  - self delete  Lastlaughin08   Dec-17-06 06:14 PM   #13 
  - Oh, damn! I'm so sorry to hear this.  classof56   Dec-17-06 06:16 PM   #18 
  - Terrible out come hate to say it the other two probably didn't survive either  bigdarryl   Dec-17-06 06:27 PM   #21 
  - I'm afraid you're right.  brook   Dec-17-06 06:38 PM   #25 
  - Brian Hall is from Rapid City, where I live. His parents live here  liberalhistorian   Dec-17-06 06:55 PM   #34 
  - There's supposed to be sun for the next two days,  janx   Dec-17-06 07:00 PM   #36 
  - Sadly, chances are the other 2 won't be found until spring thaws.  karlrschneider   Dec-17-06 06:53 PM   #33 
     - I"m hoping for the best  AZDemDist6   Dec-17-06 07:13 PM   #44 
  - Sad news  Raine   Dec-17-06 07:30 PM   #49 
  - One climber found dead  proud2Blib   Dec-17-06 07:31 PM   #51 
  - This is terrible. I feel so bad for the families.  mountainvue   Dec-17-06 07:47 PM   #61 
  - that is very sad news  Evergreen Emerald   Dec-17-06 08:05 PM   #65 
  - It's kinda hard to feel sorry for mtn climbers dying because of inclement  superconnected   Dec-17-06 08:41 PM   #71 
  - I do. See my post #66.  janx   Dec-17-06 08:49 PM   #73 
  - Humankind's hubris in the face of Nature.  NoodleyAppendage   Dec-17-06 08:50 PM   #74 
  - I've noticed, and I've been in Iowa or Illinois all this autmun.  mycritters2   Dec-17-06 09:17 PM   #82 
  - You can't live life while hiding under the bead.  BrightKnight   Dec-17-06 10:20 PM   #98 
  - It was all over the Weather Channel--unusually cold and wet in the Pacific Northwest  mycritters2   Dec-17-06 10:36 PM   #99 
  - Do you really think they didn't check the forecast?  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-18-06 12:09 PM   #122 
  - It is December  proud2Blib   Dec-17-06 10:51 PM   #102 
     - Thank you.....and let me say, for the record, Proud2belib has NEVER  mycritters2   Dec-18-06 12:17 AM   #106 
  - A guy died on Mt. Washington, N.H., in August  shrike   Dec-18-06 04:12 PM   #135 
  - aparently three fewer than would have been benificial to their well being...  TankLV   Dec-17-06 10:05 PM   #93 
  - I know, I was in Salem most of Nov.  blitzen   Dec-17-06 10:12 PM   #95 
  - Turns out they're from out of state so at least that helps me think  superconnected   Dec-17-06 08:58 PM   #78 
  - That makes it sound as though Kelley is probably the one they  tblue37   Dec-17-06 10:07 PM   #94 
  - The goverment of the state of Oregon has had many conversations...  hayu_lol   Dec-18-06 04:24 AM   #107 
  - It was Kelly James--just in on AP  Norquist Nemesis   Dec-18-06 11:31 AM   #115 
  - not a good excuse  northzax   Dec-18-06 12:07 PM   #121 
  - All of this could have been avoided if they had rented a $5  whutgives   Dec-18-06 08:01 AM   #109 
  - I agree  proud2Blib   Dec-18-06 04:35 PM   #137 
  - This is very sad news, the families really had hope they would all be found alive  Jennicut   Dec-18-06 10:57 AM   #112 
  - The Darfur banner should put this in perspective  lastliberalintexas   Dec-18-06 11:45 AM   #116 
  - "they knew the risks."  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-18-06 11:54 AM   #117 
  - The storm was predicted  LisaM   Dec-18-06 12:26 PM   #123 
  - There's no excuse for taking these kinds of risks. Total hubris.  brentspeak   Dec-18-06 12:50 PM   #125 
  - I agree, and yet I think the people who do it are addicted  LisaM   Dec-18-06 12:53 PM   #126 
     - It is just a sport like skiing, kayaking or scuba diving.  BrightKnight   Dec-18-06 03:53 PM   #132 
        - LOL, to me, "just a sport" means softball!  LisaM   Dec-18-06 04:04 PM   #133 
        - Even the best climbers can run into the unexpected  shrike   Dec-18-06 04:08 PM   #134 
  - No it wasn't.  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-18-06 02:07 PM   #129 
     - I live in Seattle and they predicted bad weather all last week  LisaM   Dec-18-06 03:47 PM   #131 
  - AP: 2 Mount Hood Climbers May Have Fallen  Eugene   Dec-18-06 02:04 PM   #128 
     - They may not find these guys until next spring  depakid   Dec-18-06 03:38 PM   #130 

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