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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 02:09 PM
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68. Than lethal injection? No way,
A firing squad is more humane.

Than lethal injection? No way, unless they're shooting to the head.

IIRC, even complete transection of the aorta and cessation of blood flow to the brain (most humane possible scenario) can leave you up to 15 seconds of consciousness to feel the trauma in your chest--and I'm sure that feeling your sternum shattered and your chest and torso ripped apart would involve a bit more pain than a venipuncture and drug administration. You may be incapacitated from loss of blood pressure, but you might not lose consciousness for an agonizingly long time.

And that's a best case. If they merely put a few holes in your heart, you might hang onto consciousness for 30 seconds. A minute. Five minutes. Longer than I'd want to feel that.

And if they miss the heart, and you get lung shot instead? You can hang on a long time with a collapsed lung and pneumothorax--long enough to get you to a hospital and save you, if you weren't being executed. Not humane at all.
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  - "It has always been against the law to kill and yet it goes on....  MGD   Dec-14-06 08:08 PM   #75 
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  - There is no law in order in Iraq. Order has completely broken down.  MGD   Dec-14-06 08:17 PM   #77 
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  - I respectfully disagree  Kelvin Mace   Dec-14-06 10:36 AM   #50 
  - And I respect your opinion...however  MGD   Dec-14-06 08:26 PM   #78 
  - Canada doesn't have the death penalty  daleo   Dec-14-06 12:26 PM   #59 
  - Canada isn't the United states either. Not all solutions are universally applicable.  MGD   Dec-14-06 08:29 PM   #80 
     - No, but it weakens the point about the death penalty being a deterrent  daleo   Dec-15-06 03:06 PM   #100 
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  - The death penalty is not a deterrent  Warpy   Dec-14-06 05:06 PM   #73 
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  - In fairness  Prophet 451   Dec-13-06 11:50 PM   #8 
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  - It is a strong deterrent. nt  MGD   Dec-14-06 12:08 AM   #15 
  - No it's not  J Miles   Dec-14-06 03:36 AM   #29 
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  - Prove it. Numbers please. -nt  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Dec-14-06 07:20 AM   #36 
  - Death Penalty  intaglio   Dec-14-06 02:44 PM   #70 
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  - AH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA  Roland99   Dec-14-06 07:29 AM   #39 
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     - Fair enough  Prophet 451   Dec-14-06 01:01 AM   #24 
     - I respect your opinion  mvd   Dec-14-06 01:02 AM   #25 
        - Always  Prophet 451   Dec-14-06 01:08 AM   #26 
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  - Not to sound too morbid, but  dbaker41   Dec-14-06 09:23 AM   #48 
  - I forget where I read that.  knitter4democracy   Dec-14-06 11:02 AM   #53 
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     - Conceded. See above n/t  Prophet 451   Dec-14-06 12:34 PM   #65 
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  - Actually, it's not  krispos42   Dec-14-06 05:29 AM   #32 
  - Than lethal injection? No way,  benEzra   Dec-14-06 02:09 PM   #68 
  - We should have the Death Penalty.  Opposite Reaction   Dec-14-06 12:54 AM   #22 
  - And I don't think it ever will be perfect enough  mvd   Dec-14-06 01:01 AM   #23 
  - well they could...  Kiouni   Dec-14-06 01:20 AM   #27 
  - There is a paralytic  intaglio   Dec-14-06 04:15 PM   #72 
  - When I was asked by a detective  Pastiche423   Dec-14-06 01:41 AM   #28 
  - Wow.  Evergreen Emerald   Dec-14-06 07:43 AM   #43 
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  - I myself  atomicdawg38   Dec-14-06 04:05 AM   #30 
  - Random "fact" FWIW  tbyg52   Dec-14-06 06:00 AM   #33 
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  - Since 1973  SOS   Dec-14-06 10:36 AM   #51 
  - Thanks I didn't know what the number was  underpants   Dec-14-06 11:15 AM   #55 
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  - This guy I know...  phusion   Dec-14-06 06:04 PM   #74 
  - outrageous  cyr330   Dec-14-06 08:17 PM   #76 
  - I just don't understand this.  greccogirl   Dec-14-06 11:28 PM   #85 
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  - 0.15%? I'm sorry - but I have probably had 15 surgeries in  greccogirl   Dec-15-06 10:25 AM   #98 
  - I think you've got the fractions wrong....  Bridget Burke   Dec-15-06 10:47 AM   #99 
  - Neat or clean, but not both  krispos42   Dec-16-06 02:16 PM   #108 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-16-06 02:45 AM   #101 
  - Those favoring the death penalty live in a bubble of delusion.  gulfcoastliberal   Dec-15-06 08:27 AM   #94 
  - I so badly want to allow myself to get sucked into your response...  ALiberalSailor   Dec-16-06 03:15 AM   #103 
     - I'll be for the death penalty too. When human judgement is error free.  reprobate   Dec-16-06 01:25 PM   #107 
  - Actually, it almost took 30 years . . .  toopers   Dec-15-06 09:35 AM   #96 
  - Execution is wrong  demobrit   Dec-16-06 07:29 AM   #105 
  - I don't get why hanging is considered cruel. It's instantaneous.  MrSlayer   Dec-16-06 11:39 PM   #110 

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