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Tue Dec-05-06 04:47 AM
Response to Reply #86 |
| 140. You know what's cooler? |
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And you managed to completely miss the part where the article says the cops came to search for missing PS3's. For this they do need a warrant.
But let's be charitable to the cops. Let's assume the paper got that wrong, and they were there to arrest him.
The reported accounts, have Strickland answering the door, possibly being a bit panicky when it turns out to be the cops. His dad's a lawyer, and he's been in a bit of trouble before, so he's probably got a fairish (though possibly incomplete) idea of what his rights are and what the cops responsibilities are in that situation. So he demands to see a warrant and when they can't deliver, refuses to step outside where they can arrest him sans warrant.
(Can someone tell me if the cops in Wilmington can enter a person's home to enforce an arrest warrant sitting on a desk somewhere and not physically in their hand?)
Next words are exchanged and things get heated. (It's quite possibily about here that the dog starts up.) The cops bust the door down and a few seconds later Strickland and his dog are dead.
Alternatively, the cops busted the door down and Strickland gave them a mouthful. (Again, this is the likely point for the dog to enter the fray.)
Most of the above is in the reported accounts and for the purpose of the exercise I will assume them to be a close facsimile of the truth, with some speculation based upon my admittedly limited knowledge of the law in the US.
So why the fuck didn't the cops just wait for that warrant? Strickland wasn't going anywhere and sending a PS3 (which they may or may not have been entitled to look for) around the S-bend is not exactly easy, if at all possible.
My turn to assume. It was getting close to shift change and the cops were pissed at being mouthed off at by a punk kid. The let their emotions get the better of them and acted excessively. Strickland's dog doesn't like this invasion of its territory and let's the cops know it in no uncertain terms.
The cops are now faced with a threat which is pretty much of their own making and use their guns. Killing the dog and Strickland.
If my speculation is even remotely close to the truth of the matter, those cops should have the book thrown at them.
Further, no matter how "in the right" they were, unless there was a clear and present danger, they still deserve to have their arses royally reamed. Their actions, leading up to the shooting were not necessary, even if they were permissible.
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| -Alleged PS3 Thief Shot Dead by Police |
Nabeshin |
Dec-04-06 12:36 PM |
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Does this seem conflicting to anyone else? |
Lone_Star_Dem |
Dec-04-06 12:45 PM |
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Apparently he wanted to see a warrant, and they didn't have one. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Dec-04-06 12:50 PM |
#2 |
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Who knows |
Lone_Star_Dem |
Dec-04-06 12:56 PM |
#4 |
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They had a felony warrant |
Pavulon |
Dec-04-06 01:43 PM |
#14 |
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There are better ways to execute a warrant |
Lone_Star_Dem |
Dec-04-06 02:05 PM |
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You are right |
Pavulon |
Dec-04-06 02:28 PM |
#42 |
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Entry team? |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Dec-04-06 04:53 PM |
#89 |
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Jesus, |
Pavulon |
Dec-04-06 05:03 PM |
#93 |
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Jesus is doing bust and bakes? |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Dec-04-06 05:21 PM |
#95 |
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If this was a drug case |
Pavulon |
Dec-04-06 05:26 PM |
#97 |
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hey he was an economic terra-ist. |
antifaschits |
Dec-04-06 12:55 PM |
#3 |
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this is beyond obscene . . . stealing a PS3 may be a crime, but . . . |
OneBlueSky |
Dec-04-06 12:58 PM |
#5 |
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Hard for me to feel sorry for the robber |
karlrschneider |
Dec-04-06 01:36 PM |
#10 |
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alledged robber. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Dec-04-06 01:43 PM |
#13 |
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Alleged unjust |
Pavulon |
Dec-04-06 01:45 PM |
#15 |
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So why did they fail to provide a copy of the warrant? |
Bornaginhooligan |
Dec-04-06 01:46 PM |
#16 |
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I have followed this on local news |
Pavulon |
Dec-04-06 01:53 PM |
#22 |
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Again, why did they fail to provide a warrant? |
Bornaginhooligan |
Dec-04-06 01:55 PM |
#24 |
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That is what the investigation will |
Pavulon |
Dec-04-06 02:03 PM |
#29 |
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"If they had a warrant the would show it." |
Bornaginhooligan |
Dec-04-06 02:05 PM |
#30 |
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Dude where do you live? |
Pavulon |
Dec-04-06 02:15 PM |
#36 |
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The United States of America. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Dec-04-06 02:17 PM |
#37 |
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A new york state of mind |
Pavulon |
Dec-04-06 02:26 PM |
#41 |
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LOL. Y'all do things diffently down there, eh? |
Bornaginhooligan |
Dec-04-06 02:33 PM |
#45 |
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Nice |
Pavulon |
Dec-04-06 02:39 PM |
#46 |
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Oh, can it. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Dec-04-06 03:06 PM |
#53 |
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get a grip |
Pavulon |
Dec-04-06 03:54 PM |
#63 |
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they did not follow him -- the robbery occurred on November 17 |
Ms. Clio |
Dec-04-06 06:54 PM |
#119 |
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Arrest warrant requires no paper copy in nc |
Pavulon |
Dec-04-06 07:20 PM |
#122 |
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But they didn't merely arrest him, they broke down his door and entered his home |
Ms. Clio |
Dec-04-06 07:49 PM |
#125 |
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If they broke his door down |
Pavulon |
Dec-04-06 07:55 PM |
#126 |
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okay, thanks for the judicious response |
Ms. Clio |
Dec-04-06 08:00 PM |
#127 |
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not sure |
Pavulon |
Dec-04-06 08:05 PM |
#128 |
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See my post # 121 |
karlrschneider |
Dec-04-06 08:18 PM |
#129 |
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okay, thanks again |
Ms. Clio |
Dec-04-06 09:03 PM |
#131 |
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Yes, that is generally true (I'm a very long time ACLU member) |
karlrschneider |
Dec-04-06 08:20 PM |
#130 |
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Maybe i can help |
TX-RAT |
Dec-05-06 11:42 AM |
#145 |
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According to the roommate, the shooting victim and he were sitting |
1monster |
Dec-04-06 05:41 PM |
#105 |
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Never said it was.. |
Pavulon |
Dec-04-06 05:49 PM |
#107 |
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Bullshit. If I had witnessed the crime, I would have shot the bastard on |
karlrschneider |
Dec-04-06 01:47 PM |
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Does that make you feel macho to say that? |
Bornaginhooligan |
Dec-04-06 01:49 PM |
#18 |
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Ignored |
karlrschneider |
Dec-04-06 01:51 PM |
#20 |
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Dodged. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Dec-04-06 01:51 PM |
#21 |
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Wrong |
Pavulon |
Dec-04-06 01:54 PM |
#23 |
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No, you can't use deadly force to stop a felony.... |
Bornaginhooligan |
Dec-04-06 01:57 PM |
#25 |
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I have a |
Pavulon |
Dec-04-06 02:11 PM |
#33 |
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key phrase "when life is at risk." |
Bornaginhooligan |
Dec-04-06 02:14 PM |
#35 |
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Your opinion is noted |
Pavulon |
Dec-04-06 02:19 PM |
#38 |
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I'm the one changing context? |
Bornaginhooligan |
Dec-04-06 02:20 PM |
#39 |
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.... |
Pavulon |
Dec-04-06 02:28 PM |
#43 |
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The key word being "reasonably." |
benEzra |
Dec-06-06 10:47 AM |
#159 |
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What a waste of money |
wuushew |
Dec-04-06 02:44 PM |
#48 |
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$80 |
Pavulon |
Dec-04-06 02:51 PM |
#49 |
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ROFL... |
Llewlladdwr |
Dec-06-06 11:01 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Dec-04-06 02:10 PM |
#32 |
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Stopping an armed robbery is republican? Fine, I guess I am one then. |
karlrschneider |
Dec-04-06 03:07 PM |
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Wow, Karl, you really don't sound like yourself today. |
dicksteele |
Dec-04-06 03:58 PM |
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Well, I'm not sure what you mean...have I ever defended anyone's right to |
karlrschneider |
Dec-04-06 04:20 PM |
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No, and I sure would be unpleasantly surprised if you ever did! |
dicksteele |
Dec-04-06 05:16 PM |
#94 |
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It's okay, thank you for the kind words and sometimes I deserve criticism. |
karlrschneider |
Dec-04-06 05:25 PM |
#96 |
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LIFE imitates ART imitating a lifelike portrait painted from a photo? |
dicksteele |
Dec-04-06 06:01 PM |
#108 |
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If I'm still around in 10 more years, that'll be reward enough! |
karlrschneider |
Dec-04-06 06:15 PM |
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They beat someone and robbed them by force |
Pavulon |
Dec-04-06 01:41 PM |
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Nice of you to try him and convict him in a single post. Saves time, I suppose. |
Katzenjammer |
Dec-04-06 01:49 PM |
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In the grand scheme of things |
Pavulon |
Dec-04-06 01:59 PM |
#28 |
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Think again. |
Lance_Boyle |
Dec-04-06 03:51 PM |
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I don't know about that. |
genieroze |
Dec-12-06 02:57 PM |
#169 |
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Since his dad is a prominent area attorney |
One_Life_To_Give |
Dec-04-06 01:32 PM |
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Police shoot, kill teen Playstation robbery suspect |
Judi Lynn |
Dec-04-06 01:34 PM |
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Dead for six hundred bucks. |
karlrschneider |
Dec-04-06 01:34 PM |
#8 |
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More like $6100 |
heliarc |
Dec-04-06 01:58 PM |
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ebay bids don't necessarily mean a sale at that price. |
QuestionAll |
Dec-04-06 02:23 PM |
#40 |
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That's true |
heliarc |
Dec-05-06 03:56 AM |
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that's what they try to tell you- but it's not true. |
QuestionAll |
Dec-05-06 02:06 PM |
#153 |
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So encouraging that there are DUer's who don't respect laws |
heliarc |
Dec-06-06 12:52 AM |
#158 |
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he had his game, they had theirs. |
truthisfreedom |
Dec-04-06 01:34 PM |
#9 |
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Oh, this is golden. |
Nabeshin |
Dec-04-06 03:04 PM |
#51 |
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Be afraid in wilmington, very afraid |
Pavulon |
Dec-04-06 03:59 PM |
#65 |
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Having held PS3 controllers and small pistols |
NickB79 |
Dec-05-06 01:23 PM |
#149 |
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The dead guy was charged with Assault with a deadly weapon, |
Pavulon |
Dec-04-06 01:39 PM |
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you keep on convicting him |
zreosumgame |
Dec-04-06 06:08 PM |
#109 |
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If by involved you mean read the papers and |
Pavulon |
Dec-04-06 06:36 PM |
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The whole situation is a tragedy... |
Union Thug |
Dec-04-06 01:57 PM |
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You said it all. n/t |
boobooday |
Dec-06-06 07:33 PM |
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I don't feel too sorry for the guy, frankly. |
closeupready |
Dec-04-06 02:13 PM |
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No one has mentioned the murder of his dog by the police |
wuushew |
Dec-04-06 02:30 PM |
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It was a German shepherd, which is a big dog and |
closeupready |
Dec-04-06 02:43 PM |
#47 |
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I'll suspend judgement until I know the whole story. |
superconnected |
Dec-04-06 02:57 PM |
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Fucking amazing. |
TheMadMonk |
Dec-04-06 03:06 PM |
#52 |
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Did you see the thread... |
Bornaginhooligan |
Dec-04-06 03:11 PM |
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No. I presume the kid deserved that too? |
TheMadMonk |
Dec-04-06 03:20 PM |
#56 |
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Apparently. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Dec-04-06 03:29 PM |
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What do you mean? |
closeupready |
Dec-04-06 03:24 PM |
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According to the report, they had a warrant |
NickB79 |
Dec-05-06 01:25 PM |
#150 |
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You would be incorrect sir... |
Llewlladdwr |
Dec-06-06 11:09 PM |
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If he's guilty |
MichaelHarris |
Dec-04-06 03:23 PM |
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I see you are not a fan of the Constitution |
wuushew |
Dec-04-06 03:43 PM |
#61 |
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Well |
MichaelHarris |
Dec-04-06 04:10 PM |
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His roommate claims otherwise |
wuushew |
Dec-04-06 04:21 PM |
#71 |
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that's why |
MichaelHarris |
Dec-04-06 04:27 PM |
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"I'm assuming... this kid is guilty." |
Bornaginhooligan |
Dec-04-06 04:41 PM |
#79 |
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apparently, only the police are presumed innocent in this case n/t |
Ms. Clio |
Dec-04-06 07:01 PM |
#120 |
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Innocent until proven guilty only applies in a courtroom. |
Llewlladdwr |
Dec-06-06 11:12 PM |
#164 |
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Only if the phrase "common sense" now means "cops are always correct". |
dicksteele |
Dec-04-06 04:43 PM |
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Hey |
MichaelHarris |
Dec-04-06 06:14 PM |
#111 |
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Yeah, you're a regular legend in your own mind. |
dicksteele |
Dec-04-06 06:17 PM |
#113 |
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Infuckingdeed. |
Zhade |
Dec-05-06 02:31 PM |
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Careful with that last comment: |
fujiyama |
Dec-04-06 06:27 PM |
#114 |
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I agree with you |
MichaelHarris |
Dec-04-06 06:35 PM |
#115 |
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I have no real problem |
fujiyama |
Dec-04-06 06:43 PM |
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Arrest warrants aren't the same as search warrants. |
karlrschneider |
Dec-04-06 07:04 PM |
#121 |
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I guess my question, is, though, is it routine to execute an arrest warrant by knocking down |
Ms. Clio |
Dec-04-06 09:07 PM |
#132 |
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It isn't routine to the point of being more frequent than not, I suppose. |
karlrschneider |
Dec-04-06 09:32 PM |
#134 |
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okay, thanks |
Ms. Clio |
Dec-04-06 09:58 PM |
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Felony |
TX-RAT |
Dec-05-06 11:53 AM |
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I see |
Ms. Clio |
Dec-05-06 01:31 PM |
#152 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Dec-04-06 04:03 PM |
#66 |
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here ya go |
MichaelHarris |
Dec-04-06 04:11 PM |
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I guess that was the Double Jeopardy answer. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Dec-04-06 04:15 PM |
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I have no idea |
MichaelHarris |
Dec-04-06 04:24 PM |
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Michael, in a non-fascist, democratic society... |
Bornaginhooligan |
Dec-04-06 04:26 PM |
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and |
MichaelHarris |
Dec-04-06 04:35 PM |
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"The only reason I added to this thread..." |
Bornaginhooligan |
Dec-04-06 04:39 PM |
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hahahahahahaha |
MichaelHarris |
Dec-04-06 04:41 PM |
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Accuse you? |
Bornaginhooligan |
Dec-04-06 04:43 PM |
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thanks |
MichaelHarris |
Dec-04-06 04:44 PM |
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Well, Strickland was hardly an angel. Some more history: |
karlrschneider |
Dec-04-06 04:41 PM |
#81 |
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My goodness. Rap music. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Dec-04-06 04:44 PM |
#84 |
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you know what's cool? |
MichaelHarris |
Dec-04-06 04:50 PM |
#86 |
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No, I saw it. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Dec-04-06 04:52 PM |
#88 |
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I see your point |
MichaelHarris |
Dec-04-06 04:57 PM |
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alledged history of violence. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Dec-04-06 04:59 PM |
#91 |
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You know what's cooler? |
TheMadMonk |
Dec-05-06 04:47 AM |
#140 |
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Hmmm |
TX-RAT |
Dec-05-06 12:04 PM |
#147 |
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Correct. I mentioned this in my post # 121... |
karlrschneider |
Dec-05-06 12:13 PM |
#148 |
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I think he means the assault w injury |
Pavulon |
Dec-04-06 04:51 PM |
#87 |
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A note, most golf games |
Pavulon |
Dec-04-06 05:02 PM |
#92 |
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Kinda like that old lady who got shot and killed in I think it was Atlanta... |
Solon |
Dec-04-06 05:28 PM |
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Correct, the SBI |
Pavulon |
Dec-04-06 05:29 PM |
#99 |
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And I now realize that your sigline is a TRIBUTE. |
dicksteele |
Dec-04-06 04:33 PM |
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man o man |
MichaelHarris |
Dec-04-06 04:36 PM |
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roomate stated he was going to the door when they busted it down |
fleabert |
Dec-04-06 05:34 PM |
#101 |
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How many felony arrests are conducted |
Pavulon |
Dec-04-06 05:38 PM |
#104 |
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according to what I have read, I am at the conclusion that it appears |
fleabert |
Dec-04-06 09:43 PM |
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Not my post |
Pavulon |
Dec-04-06 10:18 PM |
#137 |
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you responded to my post in a bit of an uproar, |
fleabert |
Dec-05-06 01:46 AM |
#138 |
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Wow, you're spinning so fast even your STRAWMAN is confused. |
dicksteele |
Dec-04-06 05:35 PM |
#102 |
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Fail to follow instructions and move your hands |
Pavulon |
Dec-04-06 05:46 PM |
#106 |
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I give up |
MichaelHarris |
Dec-04-06 06:10 PM |
#110 |
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Yep, you're right. |
superconnected |
Dec-04-06 07:35 PM |
#124 |
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I am always going to err on the side of innocent until proven guilty |
fleabert |
Dec-05-06 06:53 PM |
#156 |
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And that's a GOOD thing in your opinion? Or does it just make you feel big to say it? |
dicksteele |
Dec-04-06 06:45 PM |
#118 |
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You are fucking lucky, buy lotto for me |
Pavulon |
Dec-04-06 07:26 PM |
#123 |
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unfucking believable. |
fleabert |
Dec-04-06 05:31 PM |
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Sickening this is what terror fear mongering gets us. n/t |
humbled_opinion |
Dec-04-06 03:25 PM |
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Sounds like excessive force by the police, but not enough information |
slackmaster |
Dec-04-06 05:36 PM |
#103 |
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a lot of holes in this story |
Blue_Tires |
Dec-04-06 09:13 PM |
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Where were their tazers? That's what I'd like to know. |
Katzenjammer |
Dec-05-06 08:37 AM |
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That's a good point. |
closeupready |
Dec-05-06 09:40 AM |
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One man beaten and another shot to death over a FUCKING GAME! |
Tight_rope |
Dec-05-06 09:01 AM |
#142 |
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The beating was indeed over the game |
slackmaster |
Dec-05-06 01:28 PM |
#151 |
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Sony must be so proud of the free publicity |
Canuckistanian |
Dec-05-06 09:52 AM |
#144 |
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"Of course, it doesn't help that people fall for this crap every time." |
Katzenjammer |
Dec-05-06 02:26 PM |
#154 |
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i still support tranq guns and mancatchers to replace police arsenal |
NuttyFluffers |
Dec-05-06 09:44 PM |
#157 |
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There's an old saying... |
Miss Chybil |
Dec-06-06 08:26 PM |
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In a civilized society cops don't walk into alleged criminals' houses and blow their brains out |
Hippo_Tron |
Dec-12-06 01:01 PM |
#168 |
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Cop charged with 2nd degree murder. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Dec-12-06 12:46 PM |
#165 |
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In a civilized society thugs like this kid are entitled to a trial and a fair sentence |
Hippo_Tron |
Dec-12-06 12:57 PM |
#166 |
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isn't that two dead now in the great PS3 wars |
leftofthedial |
Dec-12-06 12:58 PM |
#167 |