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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 10:08 PM
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29. Apparently, you can't debate without insulting people.
Why, look here, it's Zynx's comment!

"If I walked up to an African-American and yelled "Nigger" in his face, I would fully expect to get a pretty negative response and I would deserve it."

And here are your comments, for clarification:

"But I never said it did. Zynx explicitely said that a racist comment deserves to be met with any kind of verbal response imaginable, and I wanted to point out that it was the hecklers, not Richards, who started with the racial comments."

They were the ones who started up with the racist talk before Kramer went on his tirade: "White man ain't funny," is what they were shouting prior to the 2:47 clip on youtube.

Here's my stance, in case you didn't get it before. Call a black man a "nigger", and you deserve whatever nastiness he says back at you, even if it's "honky" or some equivalent. Totally inexcusable.

But a black person saying the phrase "white man", just like a white person saying "black man", is hardly racist. Your argument that the hecklers should be subjected to Zynx's standard because they said "white man" first is total garbage, and utterly laughable on its face.

Get it? Saying "white man" is not racist. Saying "nigger" is. Is that clear enough for you, or would you like to insult me some more?

Hence, I bring you to my previous post:

As I said, "white man" isn't even in the same league as "nigger". The former is a racial comment (ie, a comment about race), whereas the latter, in the context Richards used it, is a racist comment (ie, a derogatory comment specifically mocking someone's race).

BTW, you probably don't want to go around questioning my reading comprehension skills when you make up words like "explicitely".

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  -NYT/AP: "Seinfeld" Star Michael Richards' Racial Tirade Draws Castigation DeepModem Mom  Nov-20-06 06:08 PM   #0 
  - Well, considering he's a hack who always plays the same role...  Zhade   Nov-20-06 06:12 PM   #1 
  - He didn't act like it was a "horrible horrible mistake"  tularetom   Nov-20-06 06:14 PM   #2 
  - Ouch...  jgraz   Nov-20-06 06:15 PM   #3 
  - "Kramer" shouldn't HAVE to WORK?  Catchawave   Nov-20-06 06:58 PM   #4 
  - I think it was meant to be funny.  Placebo   Nov-20-06 07:04 PM   #5 
  - I agree.  Bornaginhooligan   Nov-20-06 07:05 PM   #6 
  - lol  Placebo   Nov-20-06 07:21 PM   #9 
  - Bornaginhooligan, that was hilarious!  silverojo   Nov-21-06 12:19 AM   #38 
  - ya, allusions to lynchings are always good comedy  salin   Nov-20-06 09:12 PM   #21 
  - Put this in perspective....  silverojo   Nov-21-06 12:25 AM   #39 
     - Maybe Michael Richards is an undiagnosed sufferer of Turrets Syndrome...  file83   Nov-21-06 01:08 AM   #41 
     - He was downright scary!  True_Blue   Nov-21-06 01:50 PM   #49 
     - Correct!  colorado_ufo   Nov-21-06 03:59 PM   #58 
  - Just because you like someone doesn't mean they don't suck  PurityOfEssence   Nov-20-06 11:12 PM   #35 
  - I don't think it was meant to be funny at all, and  Zavulon   Nov-21-06 02:03 PM   #50 
  - He's screwed ...  jarab   Nov-20-06 07:07 PM   #7 
  - Apparently, Richards was inexperienced in stand-up comedy  brentspeak   Nov-20-06 07:13 PM   #8 
  - The fact that he turns to some of the most vitriolic racist spewage I've  Zynx   Nov-20-06 07:58 PM   #13 
  - Yep. Similar to Mel Gibson. n/t  JudyM   Nov-20-06 11:44 PM   #36 
  - He started in stand-up comedy in 1979 according to this:  Lars39   Nov-20-06 09:21 PM   #23 
     - Thanks for the correction.  brentspeak   Nov-20-06 10:36 PM   #33 
  - Even more than WHAT He Said...  phrenzy   Nov-20-06 07:24 PM   #10 
  - They didn't respond in a "relatively calm way"  brentspeak   Nov-20-06 07:38 PM   #11 
     - If someone starts hurling such racist garbage, they deserve whatever  Zynx   Nov-20-06 07:57 PM   #12 
     - So then I guess you feel the hecklers deserved to be called "ni&&er", in that case  brentspeak   Nov-20-06 08:15 PM   #14 
     - So I guess the movie "White Men Can't Jump" is racist?  Alexander   Nov-20-06 08:27 PM   #16 
     - No, it doesn't give him permission to escalate it  brentspeak   Nov-20-06 08:46 PM   #18 
        - A "racIAL" comment is not a "racIST" comment.  Alexander   Nov-20-06 09:21 PM   #24 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-20-06 09:54 PM   #28 
              - Apparently, you can't debate without insulting people.  Alexander   Nov-20-06 10:08 PM   #29 
                 - "Here's my stance, in case you didn't get it before...."  brentspeak   Nov-20-06 10:34 PM   #32 
                    - I made 3 posts about this topic, and you accuse me of having multiple accounts?  Alexander   Nov-20-06 10:51 PM   #34 
     - And that's the context, isn't it? Without which everyone is freaking out.  sfexpat2000   Nov-20-06 09:11 PM   #20 
     - Thank you. Some sanity.  brentspeak   Nov-20-06 09:35 PM   #27 
     - No one in my husband's audience knows who he is  sfexpat2000   Nov-20-06 10:18 PM   #30 
     - I've noticed that too.  file83   Nov-21-06 01:16 AM   #42 
     - funny thing is, if you rewrite Richards' rant to refer to Jews instead..  NorthernSpy   Nov-21-06 04:45 PM   #60 
        - You say I'm being disingenuous  brentspeak   Nov-21-06 06:48 PM   #65 
           - wow... disingenuousness AND equivocation!  NorthernSpy   Nov-21-06 11:27 PM   #68 
     - We have a crystal clear idea of if he is racist or not.  regularguy   Nov-21-06 11:55 AM   #48 
     - Not ambiguity, stage life. Stage life is not real life.  sfexpat2000   Nov-21-06 06:56 PM   #66 
     - someone tells him he's not funny, so he thinks they deserve to be lynched...  NorthernSpy   Nov-21-06 03:29 PM   #53 
        - No, you don't know this guy from his rant at a heckler to whom  sfexpat2000   Nov-21-06 06:58 PM   #67 
           - oh, of course not. Now, if he had argued for enforcing our immigration laws...  NorthernSpy   Nov-21-06 11:43 PM   #69 
              - The heckler opened the can of worms, Richard took it nuclear.  sfexpat2000   Nov-22-06 01:15 AM   #71 
     - Hecklers are stupid, performers are held to higher standards.  Zynx   Nov-21-06 02:43 AM   #45 
     - No I think you would get dead. n/t  humbled_opinion   Nov-21-06 05:01 PM   #62 
     - After being called n*gger a few times  silverojo   Nov-21-06 12:30 AM   #40 
     - someone called him a cracker AFTER he started spewing about lynching...  NorthernSpy   Nov-21-06 03:36 PM   #54 
  - Keith Olbermann showed a clip of the tirade  IndianaGreen   Nov-20-06 08:17 PM   #15 
  - I saw it on there too  Raine   Nov-20-06 08:34 PM   #17 
     - I'm with you.  bkcc   Nov-21-06 03:38 PM   #55 
  - I don't feel bad for hecklers...  Umbram   Nov-20-06 08:59 PM   #19 
  - having performed for over 10 years on the streets in NYC  habitual   Nov-20-06 09:18 PM   #22 
  - Productive and a lot more class!  CabalPowered   Nov-20-06 09:32 PM   #26 
  - The hecklers deserved to be told off  Raine   Nov-21-06 02:12 AM   #43 
  - From what I've heard from other comedians, hecklers go with the territory.  Judi Lynn   Nov-21-06 02:33 AM   #44 
  - I hope Richards is heckled mightily from now on...  NorthernSpy   Nov-21-06 03:48 PM   #57 
  - Micheal deserves what he gets  Ethelk2044   Nov-20-06 09:24 PM   #25 
  - According to something a man who was there said on CNN, the racial  Judi Lynn   Nov-20-06 10:19 PM   #31 
  - Mostly it just wasn't funny. Otherwise, all would be forgiven...  Nevernose   Nov-21-06 12:09 AM   #37 
  - Hecklers are jerks, but Richards was positively unhinged  Azathoth   Nov-21-06 04:13 AM   #46 
  - Richards' defense: he was enraged.  robcon   Nov-21-06 11:11 AM   #47 
  - How come Ann Coulter never has to apologize?  kskiska   Nov-21-06 02:10 PM   #51 
  - That's because the Right-Wing Barbie Slut Army  dogfacedboy   Nov-21-06 02:39 PM   #52 
  - Did anyone see the apology?  bkcc   Nov-21-06 03:45 PM   #56 
  - Mr. kt and I were thinking the same thing.  Kerrytravelers   Nov-21-06 04:29 PM   #59 
     - oh, I'm sure a LOT of people who've had to deal with him couldn't be more thrilled...  NorthernSpy   Nov-21-06 04:50 PM   #61 
     - I'm sure Seinfeld and Larry David are super pissed.  bkcc   Nov-21-06 05:59 PM   #64 
  - I never saw footage of the tirade. Just reading it is bad enough.  President Kerry   Nov-21-06 05:12 PM   #63 
  - Closet racists are legion, IMO  robcon   Nov-22-06 01:01 AM   #70 
  - Trent Lott gives Richards a pep talk  mcg   Nov-29-06 02:19 PM   #72 
     - This is EXACTLY the point Jesse Jackson  Karenina   Nov-29-06 05:18 PM   #73 
        - Yes, there worse hate speech going on than Richard's outbusts,  mcg   Nov-29-06 09:17 PM   #74 

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