torrentprime
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Thu Nov-16-06 09:01 PM
Response to Reply #101 |
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"I'm gay, and I disagree with SF schools on this"
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| -San Francisco school board votes to dump JROTC program |
Newsjock |
Nov-15-06 01:16 AM |
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You gotta love SF! So "ballsy"! n/t |
keopeli |
Nov-15-06 01:23 AM |
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I disagree - I say let the students choose |
RamboLiberal |
Nov-15-06 01:26 AM |
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The issue is discrimination |
TechBear_Seattle |
Nov-15-06 08:43 AM |
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I don't see how taking away students' choices enhances "fairness" |
slackmaster |
Nov-15-06 10:34 AM |
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What kind of a choice do gay students have in this situation? |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-15-06 10:52 AM |
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I haven't seen any indication that gay students aren't welcome in JROTC |
slackmaster |
Nov-15-06 10:56 AM |
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I think the "no free lunch" rule applies here. |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-15-06 11:05 AM |
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Excellent poits |
hogwyld |
Nov-15-06 02:28 PM |
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The core of my political philosophy is personal choice |
slackmaster |
Nov-15-06 03:07 PM |
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While I generally agree with you on choice |
hogwyld |
Nov-15-06 03:23 PM |
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I'm from a military family, my brother is an officer in the Navy |
slackmaster |
Nov-15-06 03:49 PM |
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A gay or lesbian student can join JROTC and even become an officer |
slackmaster |
Nov-15-06 01:54 PM |
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Now imagine saying "A Jewish kid can join the exclusive club at the |
mondo joe |
Nov-15-06 02:54 PM |
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If gays and lesbians were actually banned from the military |
slackmaster |
Nov-15-06 03:08 PM |
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But gays and lesbians ARE banned if you know they're gay or |
mondo joe |
Nov-15-06 03:09 PM |
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Like a country club that says "We don't care about your religion, BUT..." |
slackmaster |
Nov-15-06 03:16 PM |
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Let The Military Fund It, Run It, and Do It Off Campus |
ProfessorGAC |
Nov-15-06 01:51 PM |
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Good idea, Professor |
slackmaster |
Nov-15-06 01:54 PM |
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Point is, only the STRAIGHT students get a choice. |
kestrel91316 |
Nov-15-06 02:14 PM |
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Agreed. |
Ka hrnt |
Nov-16-06 08:32 PM |
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That's a reach |
michreject |
Nov-15-06 06:20 PM |
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Same difference. |
PassingFair |
Nov-16-06 08:37 PM |
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Not even close |
michreject |
Nov-17-06 09:23 AM |
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Very dumb. (nt) |
w4rma |
Nov-15-06 01:29 AM |
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I agree |
torrentprime |
Nov-15-06 01:37 PM |
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One of my friends was in JROTC in high school and went on to military intel... |
DRoseDARs |
Nov-15-06 01:42 AM |
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What a shame. My son was in ROTC |
greccogirl |
Nov-15-06 01:57 AM |
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Actions like this will IMPROVE the JrROTC and ROTC programs in the future. |
keopeli |
Nov-15-06 02:57 AM |
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If They Can't Accept Gays While In San Fransisco, They Can Fuck Off (eom) |
wellst0nev0ter |
Nov-15-06 04:43 AM |
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It's supposedly the military's position on gays, not JROTC's in particular |
slackmaster |
Nov-15-06 10:27 AM |
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It's a DIRTY BABY. |
PassingFair |
Nov-16-06 08:40 PM |
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Truman, a Democrat, desegregated the military and that was a courageous act. IMO the military has |
jody |
Nov-15-06 07:38 AM |
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Wow.... people sure have a screwed up idea of JROTC |
MissMillie |
Nov-15-06 07:47 AM |
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The issue is discrimination, not war |
TechBear_Seattle |
Nov-15-06 08:46 AM |
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From the article |
MissMillie |
Nov-15-06 10:26 AM |
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You say "no reason" to get rid of program? |
David__77 |
Nov-15-06 10:43 AM |
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Please don't put words in my mouth |
MissMillie |
Nov-15-06 10:56 AM |
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They can be in it, but they can't get the same benefit from it. |
David__77 |
Nov-15-06 11:02 AM |
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By extension do you also feel that we should cancel the football program |
MissMillie |
Nov-15-06 11:16 AM |
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If they said "gay football player cannot get scholarships," yes! |
David__77 |
Nov-15-06 11:19 AM |
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actually |
MissMillie |
Nov-15-06 11:25 AM |
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I advise you be mad at the military, not the SF school board. |
David__77 |
Nov-15-06 11:36 AM |
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you really believe that denying these 1600 kids a JROTC program |
MissMillie |
Nov-15-06 12:42 PM |
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Would you make the same argument for a group that excluded Jews? |
mondo joe |
Nov-15-06 12:48 PM |
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your beef is w/ the military.... not w/ these kids |
MissMillie |
Nov-15-06 01:40 PM |
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I sincerely believe that no one here would argue that a group |
mondo joe |
Nov-15-06 02:09 PM |
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Bernie Ward was discussing this last night. |
feminazi |
Nov-15-06 01:13 PM |
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Also from the article |
TechBear_Seattle |
Nov-15-06 11:00 AM |
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fine |
MissMillie |
Nov-15-06 11:12 AM |
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Then the rest of the school clubs need to get off their behinds. |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-15-06 11:02 AM |
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Yeah! Our here, we reject the idea that discipline and team skills |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-15-06 10:53 AM |
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I don't think I said that either |
MissMillie |
Nov-15-06 10:58 AM |
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As a JROTC instructor |
tinymontgomery |
Nov-15-06 10:10 AM |
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our drill team is better than your drill team! |
MissMillie |
Nov-15-06 10:34 AM |
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Your web page is too!! |
tinymontgomery |
Nov-15-06 10:42 AM |
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But you can't offer the same benefits to gay students. |
David__77 |
Nov-15-06 10:48 AM |
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I thought the policy was still "don't ask/don't tell" |
slackmaster |
Nov-15-06 10:59 AM |
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Please. "Don't ask" is a joke. People are hounded out all the time. |
David__77 |
Nov-15-06 11:04 AM |
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The policy is flawed and needs to be changed |
slackmaster |
Nov-15-06 11:06 AM |
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I understand, but disagree. |
David__77 |
Nov-15-06 11:21 AM |
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The military is by nature ultra-conservative |
slackmaster |
Nov-15-06 12:30 PM |
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I do advocate progressives entering the officers corps. |
David__77 |
Nov-15-06 12:45 PM |
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Clarification: it prevents any gay person not willing to keep his life |
mondo joe |
Nov-15-06 12:45 PM |
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Further clarification: keep his life a total, complete and absolute secret |
TechBear_Seattle |
Nov-15-06 01:05 PM |
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There you go |
slackmaster |
Nov-15-06 01:51 PM |
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Yes, there I go: I think programs should have to be fair to the students |
mondo joe |
Nov-15-06 02:11 PM |
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JROTC does not discriminate |
slackmaster |
Nov-15-06 02:20 PM |
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I'm not committed one way or the other about the decision, but |
mondo joe |
Nov-15-06 02:33 PM |
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Ask Gretha Cammermeyer. |
TechBear_Seattle |
Nov-15-06 01:02 PM |
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You are talking about life in the military, not in JROTC |
slackmaster |
Nov-16-06 07:29 PM |
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The question was about DADT |
TechBear_Seattle |
Nov-17-06 12:12 PM |
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So get the vote out and change it |
tinymontgomery |
Nov-15-06 11:05 AM |
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Would you be as supportive of a program that excluded Jewish kids? |
mondo joe |
Nov-15-06 01:16 PM |
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Excuse me |
torrentprime |
Nov-15-06 01:39 PM |
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Suppose the US military had a "no Jew" rule.... |
TechBear_Seattle |
Nov-15-06 03:30 PM |
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That is a very good analogy. |
KitSileya |
Nov-16-06 01:59 AM |
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So |
torrentprime |
Nov-16-06 09:17 PM |
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I don't know too much about the JROTC, |
KitSileya |
Nov-17-06 03:10 PM |
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The problem |
torrentprime |
Nov-17-06 03:53 PM |
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Easy question |
torrentprime |
Nov-16-06 09:11 PM |
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As a former JROTC student |
Election |
Nov-16-06 12:34 PM |
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Re: "We need to teach a curriculum of peace.'' |
slackmaster |
Nov-15-06 10:25 AM |
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What crap. Are you advocating conscription for low income students? |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-15-06 10:59 AM |
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Your logical extension does not wash |
slackmaster |
Nov-15-06 11:03 AM |
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Bravo S.F! |
hogwyld |
Nov-15-06 10:34 AM |
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The JROTC, run ethically, can be very beneficial to students. |
Tatiana |
Nov-15-06 10:43 AM |
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The question is, why is it that these opportunities to widen |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-15-06 10:56 AM |
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they're not, those opportunities are available in other programs... |
MissMillie |
Nov-15-06 11:21 AM |
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So, whose failure of imagination is it that someone can't come up |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-15-06 09:11 PM |
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Good for them! |
Tight_rope |
Nov-15-06 10:54 AM |
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Well... this is going to be interesting. |
qwlauren35 |
Nov-15-06 11:25 AM |
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I find I must agree. |
Big_Mike |
Nov-15-06 11:49 AM |
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That sir, is a flawed argument |
hogwyld |
Nov-15-06 12:18 PM |
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No, I was arguing an absurdity |
Big_Mike |
Nov-16-06 08:21 AM |
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JROTC (junior reserve officer training program) is a military program, not a local one. |
94114_San_Francisco |
Nov-15-06 12:16 PM |
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Next time there is a major earthquake in California... |
slackmaster |
Nov-15-06 12:32 PM |
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Straw man. |
mondo joe |
Nov-15-06 12:46 PM |
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No, it's a social contract |
slackmaster |
Nov-15-06 01:49 PM |
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To the contrary - the military serves the citizens, not the reverse. |
mondo joe |
Nov-15-06 02:12 PM |
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You're not reading my post correctly |
slackmaster |
Nov-15-06 02:19 PM |
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But military service is already available. |
mondo joe |
Nov-15-06 02:30 PM |
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When I think of all the competent GLBT people who won't be able to help... |
94114_San_Francisco |
Nov-15-06 01:07 PM |
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If the military refuses to help us |
hogwyld |
Nov-15-06 01:08 PM |
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Good for Frisco. |
Vidar |
Nov-15-06 01:10 PM |
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No. Not "good for us" |
Der Blaue Engel |
Nov-15-06 01:54 PM |
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You can't have it both ways |
hogwyld |
Nov-15-06 02:25 PM |
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Simply |
torrentprime |
Nov-15-06 03:27 PM |
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Sure I can |
Der Blaue Engel |
Nov-15-06 04:15 PM |
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San Francisco values-- Peace brother! |
Sequoia |
Nov-15-06 03:30 PM |
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I tend to support this decision |
Neecy |
Nov-15-06 04:13 PM |
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This is so dumb |
stevekatz |
Nov-15-06 04:37 PM |
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Article 125 of UCMJ defines sodomy |
slackmaster |
Nov-15-06 06:52 PM |
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your right |
stevekatz |
Nov-15-06 09:11 PM |
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JROTC is a good program...This is not good. n/t |
Finder |
Nov-16-06 10:25 AM |
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I'm gay, and I disagree with SF schools on this |
transeo |
Nov-16-06 11:21 AM |
#101 |
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Ditto! |
torrentprime |
Nov-16-06 09:01 PM |
#107 |
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