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Wed Nov-15-06 01:49 PM
Response to Reply #53 |
| 65. No, it's a social contract |
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The military has a job to do, which tax payers fund and are entitled to use.
Yes, we own it, and every US citizen has both the right to get all of its benefits AND the responsibility to support the whole institution even though we may not like some aspects of it.
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| -San Francisco school board votes to dump JROTC program |
Newsjock |
Nov-15-06 01:16 AM |
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You gotta love SF! So "ballsy"! n/t |
keopeli |
Nov-15-06 01:23 AM |
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I disagree - I say let the students choose |
RamboLiberal |
Nov-15-06 01:26 AM |
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The issue is discrimination |
TechBear_Seattle |
Nov-15-06 08:43 AM |
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I don't see how taking away students' choices enhances "fairness" |
slackmaster |
Nov-15-06 10:34 AM |
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What kind of a choice do gay students have in this situation? |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-15-06 10:52 AM |
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I haven't seen any indication that gay students aren't welcome in JROTC |
slackmaster |
Nov-15-06 10:56 AM |
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I think the "no free lunch" rule applies here. |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-15-06 11:05 AM |
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Excellent poits |
hogwyld |
Nov-15-06 02:28 PM |
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The core of my political philosophy is personal choice |
slackmaster |
Nov-15-06 03:07 PM |
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While I generally agree with you on choice |
hogwyld |
Nov-15-06 03:23 PM |
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I'm from a military family, my brother is an officer in the Navy |
slackmaster |
Nov-15-06 03:49 PM |
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A gay or lesbian student can join JROTC and even become an officer |
slackmaster |
Nov-15-06 01:54 PM |
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Now imagine saying "A Jewish kid can join the exclusive club at the |
mondo joe |
Nov-15-06 02:54 PM |
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If gays and lesbians were actually banned from the military |
slackmaster |
Nov-15-06 03:08 PM |
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But gays and lesbians ARE banned if you know they're gay or |
mondo joe |
Nov-15-06 03:09 PM |
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Like a country club that says "We don't care about your religion, BUT..." |
slackmaster |
Nov-15-06 03:16 PM |
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Let The Military Fund It, Run It, and Do It Off Campus |
ProfessorGAC |
Nov-15-06 01:51 PM |
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Good idea, Professor |
slackmaster |
Nov-15-06 01:54 PM |
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Point is, only the STRAIGHT students get a choice. |
kestrel91316 |
Nov-15-06 02:14 PM |
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Agreed. |
Ka hrnt |
Nov-16-06 08:32 PM |
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That's a reach |
michreject |
Nov-15-06 06:20 PM |
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Same difference. |
PassingFair |
Nov-16-06 08:37 PM |
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Not even close |
michreject |
Nov-17-06 09:23 AM |
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Very dumb. (nt) |
w4rma |
Nov-15-06 01:29 AM |
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I agree |
torrentprime |
Nov-15-06 01:37 PM |
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One of my friends was in JROTC in high school and went on to military intel... |
DRoseDARs |
Nov-15-06 01:42 AM |
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What a shame. My son was in ROTC |
greccogirl |
Nov-15-06 01:57 AM |
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Actions like this will IMPROVE the JrROTC and ROTC programs in the future. |
keopeli |
Nov-15-06 02:57 AM |
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If They Can't Accept Gays While In San Fransisco, They Can Fuck Off (eom) |
wellst0nev0ter |
Nov-15-06 04:43 AM |
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It's supposedly the military's position on gays, not JROTC's in particular |
slackmaster |
Nov-15-06 10:27 AM |
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It's a DIRTY BABY. |
PassingFair |
Nov-16-06 08:40 PM |
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Truman, a Democrat, desegregated the military and that was a courageous act. IMO the military has |
jody |
Nov-15-06 07:38 AM |
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Wow.... people sure have a screwed up idea of JROTC |
MissMillie |
Nov-15-06 07:47 AM |
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The issue is discrimination, not war |
TechBear_Seattle |
Nov-15-06 08:46 AM |
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From the article |
MissMillie |
Nov-15-06 10:26 AM |
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You say "no reason" to get rid of program? |
David__77 |
Nov-15-06 10:43 AM |
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Please don't put words in my mouth |
MissMillie |
Nov-15-06 10:56 AM |
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They can be in it, but they can't get the same benefit from it. |
David__77 |
Nov-15-06 11:02 AM |
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By extension do you also feel that we should cancel the football program |
MissMillie |
Nov-15-06 11:16 AM |
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If they said "gay football player cannot get scholarships," yes! |
David__77 |
Nov-15-06 11:19 AM |
#40 |
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actually |
MissMillie |
Nov-15-06 11:25 AM |
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I advise you be mad at the military, not the SF school board. |
David__77 |
Nov-15-06 11:36 AM |
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you really believe that denying these 1600 kids a JROTC program |
MissMillie |
Nov-15-06 12:42 PM |
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Would you make the same argument for a group that excluded Jews? |
mondo joe |
Nov-15-06 12:48 PM |
#54 |
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your beef is w/ the military.... not w/ these kids |
MissMillie |
Nov-15-06 01:40 PM |
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I sincerely believe that no one here would argue that a group |
mondo joe |
Nov-15-06 02:09 PM |
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Bernie Ward was discussing this last night. |
feminazi |
Nov-15-06 01:13 PM |
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Also from the article |
TechBear_Seattle |
Nov-15-06 11:00 AM |
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fine |
MissMillie |
Nov-15-06 11:12 AM |
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Then the rest of the school clubs need to get off their behinds. |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-15-06 11:02 AM |
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Yeah! Our here, we reject the idea that discipline and team skills |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-15-06 10:53 AM |
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I don't think I said that either |
MissMillie |
Nov-15-06 10:58 AM |
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As a JROTC instructor |
tinymontgomery |
Nov-15-06 10:10 AM |
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our drill team is better than your drill team! |
MissMillie |
Nov-15-06 10:34 AM |
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Your web page is too!! |
tinymontgomery |
Nov-15-06 10:42 AM |
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But you can't offer the same benefits to gay students. |
David__77 |
Nov-15-06 10:48 AM |
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I thought the policy was still "don't ask/don't tell" |
slackmaster |
Nov-15-06 10:59 AM |
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Please. "Don't ask" is a joke. People are hounded out all the time. |
David__77 |
Nov-15-06 11:04 AM |
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The policy is flawed and needs to be changed |
slackmaster |
Nov-15-06 11:06 AM |
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I understand, but disagree. |
David__77 |
Nov-15-06 11:21 AM |
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The military is by nature ultra-conservative |
slackmaster |
Nov-15-06 12:30 PM |
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I do advocate progressives entering the officers corps. |
David__77 |
Nov-15-06 12:45 PM |
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Clarification: it prevents any gay person not willing to keep his life |
mondo joe |
Nov-15-06 12:45 PM |
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Further clarification: keep his life a total, complete and absolute secret |
TechBear_Seattle |
Nov-15-06 01:05 PM |
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There you go |
slackmaster |
Nov-15-06 01:51 PM |
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Yes, there I go: I think programs should have to be fair to the students |
mondo joe |
Nov-15-06 02:11 PM |
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JROTC does not discriminate |
slackmaster |
Nov-15-06 02:20 PM |
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I'm not committed one way or the other about the decision, but |
mondo joe |
Nov-15-06 02:33 PM |
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Ask Gretha Cammermeyer. |
TechBear_Seattle |
Nov-15-06 01:02 PM |
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You are talking about life in the military, not in JROTC |
slackmaster |
Nov-16-06 07:29 PM |
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The question was about DADT |
TechBear_Seattle |
Nov-17-06 12:12 PM |
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So get the vote out and change it |
tinymontgomery |
Nov-15-06 11:05 AM |
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Would you be as supportive of a program that excluded Jewish kids? |
mondo joe |
Nov-15-06 01:16 PM |
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Excuse me |
torrentprime |
Nov-15-06 01:39 PM |
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Suppose the US military had a "no Jew" rule.... |
TechBear_Seattle |
Nov-15-06 03:30 PM |
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That is a very good analogy. |
KitSileya |
Nov-16-06 01:59 AM |
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So |
torrentprime |
Nov-16-06 09:17 PM |
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I don't know too much about the JROTC, |
KitSileya |
Nov-17-06 03:10 PM |
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The problem |
torrentprime |
Nov-17-06 03:53 PM |
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Easy question |
torrentprime |
Nov-16-06 09:11 PM |
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As a former JROTC student |
Election |
Nov-16-06 12:34 PM |
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Re: "We need to teach a curriculum of peace.'' |
slackmaster |
Nov-15-06 10:25 AM |
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What crap. Are you advocating conscription for low income students? |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-15-06 10:59 AM |
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Your logical extension does not wash |
slackmaster |
Nov-15-06 11:03 AM |
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Bravo S.F! |
hogwyld |
Nov-15-06 10:34 AM |
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The JROTC, run ethically, can be very beneficial to students. |
Tatiana |
Nov-15-06 10:43 AM |
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The question is, why is it that these opportunities to widen |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-15-06 10:56 AM |
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they're not, those opportunities are available in other programs... |
MissMillie |
Nov-15-06 11:21 AM |
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So, whose failure of imagination is it that someone can't come up |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-15-06 09:11 PM |
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Good for them! |
Tight_rope |
Nov-15-06 10:54 AM |
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Well... this is going to be interesting. |
qwlauren35 |
Nov-15-06 11:25 AM |
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I find I must agree. |
Big_Mike |
Nov-15-06 11:49 AM |
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That sir, is a flawed argument |
hogwyld |
Nov-15-06 12:18 PM |
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No, I was arguing an absurdity |
Big_Mike |
Nov-16-06 08:21 AM |
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JROTC (junior reserve officer training program) is a military program, not a local one. |
94114_San_Francisco |
Nov-15-06 12:16 PM |
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Next time there is a major earthquake in California... |
slackmaster |
Nov-15-06 12:32 PM |
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Straw man. |
mondo joe |
Nov-15-06 12:46 PM |
#53 |
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No, it's a social contract |
slackmaster |
Nov-15-06 01:49 PM |
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To the contrary - the military serves the citizens, not the reverse. |
mondo joe |
Nov-15-06 02:12 PM |
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You're not reading my post correctly |
slackmaster |
Nov-15-06 02:19 PM |
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But military service is already available. |
mondo joe |
Nov-15-06 02:30 PM |
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When I think of all the competent GLBT people who won't be able to help... |
94114_San_Francisco |
Nov-15-06 01:07 PM |
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If the military refuses to help us |
hogwyld |
Nov-15-06 01:08 PM |
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Good for Frisco. |
Vidar |
Nov-15-06 01:10 PM |
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No. Not "good for us" |
Der Blaue Engel |
Nov-15-06 01:54 PM |
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You can't have it both ways |
hogwyld |
Nov-15-06 02:25 PM |
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Simply |
torrentprime |
Nov-15-06 03:27 PM |
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Sure I can |
Der Blaue Engel |
Nov-15-06 04:15 PM |
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San Francisco values-- Peace brother! |
Sequoia |
Nov-15-06 03:30 PM |
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I tend to support this decision |
Neecy |
Nov-15-06 04:13 PM |
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This is so dumb |
stevekatz |
Nov-15-06 04:37 PM |
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Article 125 of UCMJ defines sodomy |
slackmaster |
Nov-15-06 06:52 PM |
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your right |
stevekatz |
Nov-15-06 09:11 PM |
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JROTC is a good program...This is not good. n/t |
Finder |
Nov-16-06 10:25 AM |
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I'm gay, and I disagree with SF schools on this |
transeo |
Nov-16-06 11:21 AM |
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Ditto! |
torrentprime |
Nov-16-06 09:01 PM |
#107 |
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