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Sat Oct-14-06 12:22 PM
Response to Reply #45 |
| 59. The personality may change but the person doesn't |
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I'd rather not share my personal history with alcoholics to justify my opinions but I'll say that you are assuming too much about me because I disagree with you. I will never accept it as an excuse for bad behavior or statements unrelated to who a person actually is. I think it's absurd to blame booze on Mel's behavior or Foley's. I had a few drinks last night and joked to my hubby, "ooh I better slow down. If I have another, I might start hating Jews or molesting children." When you drink you may act differently than sober but it's all you, no one else. It may permit you to say or do things you'd be too afraid to when sober but it all still comes from the person's mind, and experience. There is no ultimate truth about a person sober or drunk- it's all facets of one thing. You can have a drunk personality and a sober personality but they are parts of the whole, just like you have a professional personality, and a family personality etc. they all add up to you. The alcohol just taps parts of you that need expression. Gibson just has to live with the consequences of that expression. He can blame the catalyst of it but ultimately it's still just him. And now we just know him a bit better. I'll still always love Chicken Run though!
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| -Gibson says ‘Passion’ criticism triggered tirade |
sabra |
Oct-13-06 12:33 PM |
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Boo fucking hoo, Mel. |
geek tragedy |
Oct-13-06 12:34 PM |
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Yeah, BFH! |
zidzi |
Oct-13-06 05:48 PM |
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Oh YUCK FOU, Mel! |
Joe Bacon |
Oct-14-06 08:05 AM |
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Had his rights violated? |
Ravy |
Oct-13-06 12:36 PM |
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Let's be fair here: |
Phredicles |
Oct-13-06 03:54 PM |
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Good point. (n/t) |
Ravy |
Oct-13-06 10:42 PM |
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Taking personal responsibility for his anti-semitism by passing the buck.. |
IanDB1 |
Oct-13-06 12:40 PM |
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I'm not so sure Mel's a Republican |
Canadian_moderate |
Oct-13-06 12:53 PM |
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some believe the movie eluded that the Jews (Sanhedren) killed Christ |
sabra |
Oct-13-06 12:55 PM |
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So what? |
Canadian_moderate |
Oct-13-06 03:11 PM |
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Eluded or alluded? |
colorado_ufo |
Oct-15-06 05:52 PM |
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Use the DU "Search" feature to re-play that debate if you wish. |
IanDB1 |
Oct-13-06 01:01 PM |
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No way Mel is a Liberal |
LostinVA |
Oct-13-06 04:16 PM |
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It's my understanding that Gibson rejects the Catholic church hierarchy. |
w4rma |
Oct-13-06 10:47 PM |
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It's an extreme RW Catholic group, that makes Pope Rat look like |
LostinVA |
Oct-14-06 07:53 AM |
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Supposedly Mel Gibson is a member of Opus |
ikojo |
Oct-16-06 03:08 AM |
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There's no evidence whatsover.... |
Bridget Burke |
Oct-20-06 09:23 AM |
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His movie almost completely left out the role of the Romans |
True_Blue |
Oct-13-06 10:52 PM |
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An obscene portrayal of Christ's Passion |
struggle4progress |
Oct-14-06 02:03 PM |
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His film wasn't based on scripture or historic documents. |
mycritters2 |
Oct-15-06 06:26 PM |
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Mel Gibson liberal? |
fujiyama |
Oct-15-06 09:42 PM |
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The "they started it" defense |
Marnieworld |
Oct-13-06 02:37 PM |
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Not a very good one though... |
youthere |
Oct-15-06 06:56 PM |
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Mel's' message "Don't ever criticize me or my work!" FUMG. |
chimpsrsmarter |
Oct-13-06 12:40 PM |
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He's got more excuses than George Allen! |
EmperorHasNoClothes |
Oct-13-06 12:40 PM |
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Have you heard: the cop who arrested Mel was arrested too. |
Sequoia |
Oct-13-06 12:41 PM |
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This is so totally over the top |
DinoBoy |
Oct-13-06 12:42 PM |
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Criticism about his movie, which is about the King of the Jews, |
mikeytherat |
Oct-13-06 12:44 PM |
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Oh for Christ's sake |
SheWhoMustBeObeyed |
Oct-13-06 12:49 PM |
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What "rights" violated, Mel? The "right" to make a movie and be exempt |
Garbo 2004 |
Oct-13-06 12:55 PM |
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That what ya call one of them there "delayed reactions". |
ET Awful |
Oct-13-06 01:04 PM |
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What's next for Mel? |
Jeff In Milwaukee |
Oct-15-06 08:44 PM |
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Go away, Mel! |
oldcoot |
Oct-13-06 01:11 PM |
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Hey! Mel! |
kestrel91316 |
Oct-13-06 01:42 PM |
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Aren't we talking about something |
maseman |
Oct-13-06 01:45 PM |
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Maybe it was the footage of him getting a woodie while |
zbdent |
Oct-13-06 01:56 PM |
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I can sort of understand Gibsons anti-semitism |
warishell |
Oct-13-06 02:00 PM |
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and why are you so "sure" ? |
sabra |
Oct-13-06 02:03 PM |
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You're right I cant be sure |
warishell |
Oct-13-06 02:08 PM |
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Did you read the police report? |
Marnieworld |
Oct-13-06 02:47 PM |
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Have you ever known an alcoholic? |
Casablanca |
Oct-13-06 03:12 PM |
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I come from a long line of Alcoholics so there goes that theory |
Marnieworld |
Oct-13-06 03:31 PM |
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Bingo -- I've had the same experiences with the alcoholics in my family |
LostinVA |
Oct-13-06 04:19 PM |
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I didn't say that alcoholics become different people ... |
Casablanca |
Oct-13-06 10:40 PM |
#45 |
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The personality may change but the person doesn't |
Marnieworld |
Oct-14-06 12:22 PM |
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Unfortunately, their personality didn't change -- it just came out |
LostinVA |
Oct-13-06 04:20 PM |
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I have a brother in law who is drunk EVERY DAY |
ikojo |
Oct-16-06 03:15 AM |
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Pretty coincidental that his dad is a holocaust denier.... |
soothsayer |
Oct-16-06 07:44 AM |
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Drunk people tell the truth -- in vino veritas |
LostinVA |
Oct-13-06 04:18 PM |
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Great director? |
fujiyama |
Oct-15-06 09:46 PM |
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Log off, Mel, you're tanked again... |
Ken Burch |
Oct-20-06 08:54 AM |
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Mel says "I was subjected to a pretty brutal sort of public beating" |
SimpleTrend |
Oct-13-06 02:01 PM |
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Yeah, that's the ticket. Glad it took him two months to come up with |
zonkers |
Oct-13-06 02:12 PM |
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Its worth noting |
rwinkler |
Oct-13-06 02:31 PM |
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Hi rwinkler!! |
newyawker99 |
Oct-15-06 04:37 PM |
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I don't think he should be allowed to defend himself unless |
Marnieworld |
Oct-13-06 02:36 PM |
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Mel, your piehole is open... |
mtnester |
Oct-13-06 02:42 PM |
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jews aren't responsible |
maxsolomon |
Oct-13-06 02:50 PM |
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Gotta love America. |
Casablanca |
Oct-13-06 03:01 PM |
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Mel made anti-semitic remarks |
cali |
Oct-15-06 05:58 PM |
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"I think I probably had my rights violated" Because people criticized |
yellowcanine |
Oct-13-06 03:34 PM |
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I feel like my rights are violated when people criticize my sermons |
mycritters2 |
Oct-15-06 06:32 PM |
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MSNBC screws up...conflates Jews with Israel. |
Behind the Aegis |
Oct-13-06 04:06 PM |
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Now why couldn't Mel think of that one before the fact..... |
0007 |
Oct-13-06 04:35 PM |
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Mel should do a little research into the HUAC. |
dansolo |
Oct-13-06 05:49 PM |
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Yes Mel, blame everyone but yourself. No one made you make The Passion. |
Rex |
Oct-13-06 05:53 PM |
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My trouble with Mel has nothing to do with Jews or booze... |
Norton |
Oct-14-06 06:03 AM |
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Nice rant |
Frank Cannon |
Oct-14-06 06:27 AM |
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Good rant |
LostinVA |
Oct-14-06 07:55 AM |
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Christian Theological point |
panzerfaust |
Oct-14-06 02:57 PM |
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To some Christians |
mycritters2 |
Oct-15-06 06:36 PM |
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Very nice! |
Rex |
Oct-14-06 09:12 PM |
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no, his anti-semitism triggered THE PASSION |
Skittles |
Oct-14-06 06:22 AM |
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Gibson & Mark Foley |
Marie26 |
Oct-15-06 09:59 PM |
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Mel is such a showman..the whole thing is a publicity stunt! |
Tellurian |
Oct-14-06 06:28 AM |
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When you're loaded, your inhibitions fall away |
Crunchy Frog |
Oct-14-06 07:34 AM |
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And an actual drunk would mentally prepare ahead of time |
Tellurian |
Oct-14-06 01:20 PM |
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In other words, antisemitism is the jews fault |
Kber |
Oct-14-06 09:42 AM |
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Suddenly it's all so clear.... |
mycritters2 |
Oct-15-06 06:38 PM |
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What an ass |
ismnotwasm |
Oct-14-06 10:06 AM |
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if this were 1937, Mel Gibson would be writing love letters to Franco |
NorthernSpy |
Oct-14-06 02:02 PM |
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"Writing love letters fo Franco"? Hell,Mel would join Errol Flynn in Spain |
Ken Burch |
Oct-20-06 09:01 AM |
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TORO TURD -- The Passion of the Christ came out TWO YEARS AGO! |
rocknation |
Oct-14-06 02:18 PM |
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Mel. Dude. Get over it. |
panzerfaust |
Oct-14-06 02:48 PM |
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He found a way to blame the Jews afterall... |
Infinite Hope |
Oct-14-06 02:59 PM |
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I always rag on the Jews when I'm drunk. |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Oct-14-06 03:42 PM |
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Me too |
mycritters2 |
Oct-15-06 06:38 PM |
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And crippled orphans too... |
Ken Burch |
Oct-20-06 09:02 AM |
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Jiminy Christmas! |
FitzmasAgain |
Oct-14-06 03:55 PM |
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October Follies |
LostinVA |
Oct-15-06 08:30 AM |
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What a lying sack of shit! |
TheGoldenRule |
Oct-14-06 08:55 PM |
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Oh, please, Mel! You can do better than that. n/t |
AngryOldDem |
Oct-15-06 05:44 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Oct-15-06 09:23 PM |
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Is there anybody who didn't see THIS coming? |
Ken Burch |
Oct-20-06 08:49 AM |
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I can forgive the silly ass |
BenDavid |
Oct-20-06 11:42 AM |
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Well if I was an extremist nutbag fundie holocaust denier |
zara |
Oct-20-06 11:43 AM |
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it took long enough for him make this up (I mean figure it out) |
yurbud |
Oct-20-06 11:46 AM |
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Wait, does this mean he retracted his apology to the Jewish community? |
The Count |
Oct-20-06 12:22 PM |
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Damn, dirty jews . . . |
toopers |
Oct-20-06 02:05 PM |
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Well, maybe he would have had a point if he hadn't gone off on his tirade |
noonwitch |
Oct-20-06 02:25 PM |
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Since when do one's rights as an artist, or a Christian, or even |
JerseygirlCT |
Oct-20-06 02:32 PM |
#101 |
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