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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 02:17 PM
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33. I am in favor of increased immigration, even "amnesty."
I think the former is good for the economy. The latter is a necessary precursor to actually passing good immigration legislation and enforcing it. I don't know of any country that has no controls over who moves there and who works there. I suppose that would be an interesting experiment, if we decide to get rid of the notion of the nation-state.

I realize that in the real world, there will always be some selective enforcement of laws. I know enough police officers to know that they don't spend their whole day handing our citations to jaywalkers and litters. In any crackdown on immigrants or their employers there will always be questions of why this group of immigrants and why that employer not the other?

Sometimes you have to enforce a stupid law in order to generate the will to change it. Imagine if thousands of jaywalkers were suddenly arrested. Think that might generate some movement towards modifying the stupid jaywalking laws? I realize that for many of us leaving the immigrants in legal limbo, but here and working, is good for humanitarian reasons. Many employers like the immigrants to be in legal limbo, so there is less pressure to raise wages or improve working conditions.

It seems like the humanitarians and the shady employers have arrived at an unspoken compromise to leave things the way they are. Each side would like to see changes that would benefit them, but are afraid to rock the boat for fear of losing what they have.

What would happen if there was a massive crackdown on illegal immigrants and their employers, resulting in much economic damage and many humanitarian catastrophes? Could we possibly then change immigration laws and actually enforce the resulting legislation like a rational country would do?
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  -Crackdown on immigrants empties a town and hardens views superconnected  Oct-04-06 07:51 AM   #0 
  - Rename the town Stillborn, GA n/t  Xipe Totec   Oct-04-06 08:03 AM   #1 
  - What the ice agents are doing is terrifying.  superconnected   Oct-04-06 08:09 AM   #2 
  - ILLEGAL  acmejack   Oct-04-06 08:34 AM   #8 
     - And those Americans are not going to move to Georgia to take  treestar   Oct-04-06 09:11 AM   #12 
     - That's it precisely  KevinJ   Oct-04-06 10:54 AM   #22 
     - According to the article, they ARE.  Xithras   Oct-04-06 05:16 PM   #44 
     - Oh, so YOU have lost your job to a foreigner who doesn't even  NCevilDUer   Oct-04-06 09:56 AM   #15 
     - In one sense we "lose jobs" whether a new factory is located  pampango   Oct-04-06 10:53 AM   #21 
     - Excellent point  KevinJ   Oct-04-06 11:08 AM   #25 
     - I've often tried to make the same point  Xipe Totec   Oct-04-06 09:55 PM   #45 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-04-06 11:06 AM   #24 
     - if we had reasonable farm labor practices, americans would pick  anotherdrew   Oct-04-06 11:23 AM   #27 
     - My response to you was deleted.  acmejack   Oct-04-06 02:41 PM   #36 
     - I agree completely.  mainegreen   Oct-04-06 10:36 AM   #19 
     - So what, you've never jaywalked in your life?  KevinJ   Oct-04-06 11:24 AM   #28 
     - Sure I've jaywalked. But I've never smuggled.  mainegreen   Oct-04-06 01:13 PM   #30 
     - I am in favor of increased immigration, even "amnesty."  pampango   Oct-04-06 02:17 PM   #33 
        - Good way of putting it  KevinJ   Oct-04-06 03:26 PM   #39 
     - But...  dmallind   Oct-04-06 02:24 PM   #34 
     - They took your job?  Bornaginhooligan   Oct-04-06 01:15 PM   #32 
     - yeah there's oodles of Americans fighting  mitchtv   Oct-04-06 04:05 PM   #41 
     - Thank You 100% correct...  EnviroBat   Oct-04-06 04:20 PM   #43 
     - So were they when they were beating up disobedient blacks  GiveUsHope   Oct-05-06 01:26 PM   #46 
  - heh. . "round up all the illegals"  annabanana   Oct-04-06 08:11 AM   #3 
  - This is an old story, and the fallout from the raid was instructive  Warpy   Oct-04-06 08:18 AM   #4 
  - Where oh where are the folks to fill the shoes of Upton Sinclair  bleedingheart   Oct-04-06 08:27 AM   #6 
     - From Mexico's perspective, the current situation works well  lumberjack_jeff   Oct-04-06 08:45 AM   #10 
     - Actually, people learned a lot from the Gilded Age.  aquart   Oct-04-06 09:12 AM   #13 
        - And there was a second eruption in the 1890's  DBoon   Oct-04-06 09:28 AM   #14 
  - Safe in Texico -  0007   Oct-04-06 08:26 AM   #5 
  - I just checked. Yes, Stillmore was raided a month ago. This story  superconnected   Oct-04-06 08:27 AM   #7 
  - David Robinson was undoubtedly running a profitable little slum.  acmejack   Oct-04-06 08:38 AM   #9 
     - The wrong people are being arrested. nt  NCevilDUer   Oct-04-06 10:00 AM   #16 
     - And you're not?  KevinJ   Oct-04-06 12:30 PM   #29 
        - Right I should quit eating as a protest  acmejack   Oct-04-06 02:40 PM   #35 
           - Good for you  KevinJ   Oct-04-06 03:20 PM   #38 
              - I can't wait till the start roundups in Calif  mitchtv   Oct-04-06 04:17 PM   #42 
  - They are a part of the economy and the law should be changed to  treestar   Oct-04-06 09:10 AM   #11 
  - Raise the wage and Americans will move to the town. Oh but  Acadia Blue   Oct-04-06 10:33 AM   #17 
  - After Katrina, McDonalds and other started paying 10.00 an hour  Acadia Blue   Oct-04-06 10:34 AM   #18 
  - The bottom line is this..  SoCalDem   Oct-04-06 10:43 AM   #20 
  - You mean the Nazi's are rounding up the Polish Jews night?  Sequoia   Oct-04-06 10:58 AM   #23 
  - My dad is from Stillmore  conscious evolution   Oct-04-06 11:16 AM   #26 
  - Delete  Bornaginhooligan   Oct-04-06 01:15 PM   #31 
  - The corporate press lamenting the loss of cheap labor, again...  sadiesworld   Oct-04-06 02:49 PM   #37 
     - There are also a lot of us with a humanitarian perspective  pampango   Oct-04-06 03:39 PM   #40 

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