5thGenDemocrat
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Tue Sep-19-06 12:12 PM
Response to Reply #91 |
| 104. Well, lots of stuff changes in forty years |
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I can't think of a single doctrine which says only Catholics are going to heaven. In fact, the RCC has been busy lately in both healing schisms amd finding common communion (the Anglicans come to mind) and increasing dialogues with other faiths -- both Christian and not. You need to read what I wrote, my friend. I didn't say "beliefs over actions," I said "actions over beliefs." Frankly, I'm not sure you rejected the church in the 1960s or the 1460s. I went to Catholic school in the 1960s (right smack during Vatican II) and while I can't speak to what official doctrine was before that, I can assure you that the church today teaches that all persons who live and profess their faith as God gives them the wisdom to see that faith are Children of God. That includes Lutherans, Baptists, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Shintos and who all else. And it is precisely why we place our stock on actions over beliefs. John Yes, I do enjoy the new and improved Catholic Church. Every Easter and Christmas.
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| -BBC: Pope sorry for offending Muslims (has apologised in person) |
CJCRANE |
Sep-17-06 09:28 AM |
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that man is too old and out of touch to be in such a powerful position |
jean |
Sep-17-06 09:31 AM |
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If Pope John Paul II were alive and healthy today, he would NOT |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-17-06 09:37 AM |
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Good! That's what he could have done from the onset of outrage |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-17-06 09:32 AM |
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But what if it is true . . . |
toopers |
Sep-17-06 02:12 PM |
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My respect for him has increased |
CJCRANE |
Sep-17-06 09:35 AM |
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but he should have never said it. |
alyce douglas |
Sep-18-06 10:01 AM |
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This was no mistake it was done on purpose |
IChing |
Sep-18-06 10:59 AM |
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he apologized for uttering it--did NOT dispute the Truth of the statement |
Supersedeas |
Sep-18-06 01:43 PM |
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He didn't. He lied |
warrens |
Sep-18-06 03:13 PM |
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#89, The pope didn't call Islam violent and bloodthirsty |
CreekDog |
Sep-18-06 06:50 PM |
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Guess that pushes the "infallability" meme out the window. |
blm |
Sep-17-06 09:38 AM |
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Infallibility has to be specifically invoked and has only been done |
Zynx |
Sep-17-06 09:42 AM |
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Not really - papal "infallibility" doesn't mean that every statement the |
Pendrench |
Sep-17-06 09:43 AM |
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No, you're basically right |
5thGenDemocrat |
Sep-17-06 11:25 AM |
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Huh??? If true, then this new and improved Catholic Church is far |
VegasWolf |
Sep-18-06 03:28 PM |
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Well, lots of stuff changes in forty years |
5thGenDemocrat |
Sep-19-06 12:12 PM |
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You missed the church's teachings on Limbo I guess. You need to do more |
VegasWolf |
Sep-19-06 01:10 PM |
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Well, I guess you were |
5thGenDemocrat |
Sep-19-06 06:29 PM |
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Nah! Just a straight A student who made a lot of right decisions. nt |
VegasWolf |
Sep-19-06 07:04 PM |
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BTW, you mentioned the Papal Bull defining Mary's Immaculate Conception |
VegasWolf |
Sep-18-06 03:37 PM |
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Funny -- I was just chatting with a Muslim man here on DU |
5thGenDemocrat |
Sep-19-06 01:08 PM |
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You appear very ignorant of Catholic history - check out these Papal Bulls |
VegasWolf |
Sep-19-06 01:25 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Sep-17-06 09:41 AM |
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The devil made me say that. |
MindMatter |
Sep-17-06 10:05 AM |
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Is this an apology? |
AusTexDem |
Sep-17-06 11:05 AM |
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no, it is not an apology and it was not a mistake |
bbgrunt |
Sep-17-06 12:03 PM |
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Just out of interest . . . |
toopers |
Sep-17-06 02:15 PM |
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I don't understand the connection, unless you are referring to his |
bbgrunt |
Sep-17-06 03:04 PM |
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A youthful dalliance? |
toopers |
Sep-18-06 08:36 PM |
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I like Senator Byrd ... Get over his past he has done much more |
humbled_opinion |
Sep-18-06 10:50 AM |
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When you say he has done much more . . . |
toopers |
Sep-18-06 08:33 PM |
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Nope-- it remains the same. First out of the mouths of his minions |
Malikshah |
Sep-17-06 04:32 PM |
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Because he is not sorry. He stated historical fact n/t |
humbled_opinion |
Sep-18-06 10:50 AM |
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First the Jews in his youth, and now Muslims |
NOLADEM |
Sep-17-06 11:57 AM |
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and fuck those muslim bigots who shot that nun and fire bombed churches |
951-Riverside |
Sep-17-06 12:13 PM |
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Absolutely. |
NOLADEM |
Sep-17-06 12:16 PM |
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Yeah, can't ya just feel the love? |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-18-06 07:18 AM |
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OK on the equally tolerant about each others religious beliefs however, |
humbled_opinion |
Sep-18-06 10:56 AM |
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But do you think |
CJCRANE |
Sep-18-06 11:07 AM |
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My Points |
humbled_opinion |
Sep-18-06 11:13 AM |
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1. Religion and poltics |
CJCRANE |
Sep-18-06 12:21 PM |
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Huh get a clue |
humbled_opinion |
Sep-18-06 12:37 PM |
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You answered #1 |
CJCRANE |
Sep-18-06 12:50 PM |
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example of a muslim country that has invaded a western country in the last |
humbled_opinion |
Sep-18-06 01:24 PM |
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Do you notice the poison in yourself? |
CBHagman |
Sep-17-06 12:24 PM |
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But they're a bigot for the left, which is OK. |
LordLovesAWorkingMan |
Sep-17-06 02:56 PM |
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This person is correct that The Vatican abetted The Nazis and |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-18-06 07:22 AM |
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Don't invoke things that happend hundreds of years ago as relevant... |
humbled_opinion |
Sep-18-06 11:15 AM |
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I agree. Fuck this asswipe. |
TankLV |
Sep-17-06 06:51 PM |
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No he is only speaking historical fact. Islam is not a tolerant religion |
humbled_opinion |
Sep-18-06 10:52 AM |
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And Christianity is? |
NOLADEM |
Sep-18-06 05:15 PM |
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Better late than never. |
Karenina |
Sep-17-06 12:15 PM |
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I'm not "happy" about anything he does. |
crim son |
Sep-18-06 06:52 AM |
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This article said he apologized for "the reactions" - he did not apologize |
cyberpj |
Sep-17-06 12:56 PM |
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The pope is being an ass. |
tedzbear |
Sep-17-06 02:53 PM |
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That's what they all do. |
mwb970 |
Sep-18-06 06:42 AM |
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Pope Political I |
Prisoner_Number_Six |
Sep-17-06 01:01 PM |
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I thought this guy was going to be a caretaker |
cambie |
Sep-17-06 02:04 PM |
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Catholics and Italians are not safe |
marshall |
Sep-18-06 07:17 AM |
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Pope announces global intinerary of apology |
fedsron2us |
Sep-17-06 03:47 PM |
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AP: Pope's Response Accepted by Some Muslims |
Eugene |
Sep-17-06 04:01 PM |
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He must either be as stupid as Bush |
goclark |
Sep-17-06 07:54 PM |
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Pope issues rare statement of regret |
rodeodance |
Sep-18-06 12:10 AM |
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A statement of regret that people got offended.... not that he was sorry |
beyurslf |
Sep-18-06 12:10 AM |
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Exactly... |
GoddessOfGuinness |
Sep-18-06 12:10 AM |
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So much for being omnipotent |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-18-06 12:10 AM |
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Yeah. That Doctrine of Infallibility thingy seems to have a |
charlyvi |
Sep-18-06 12:10 AM |
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That's not how that works |
LostinVA |
Sep-18-06 12:10 AM |
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Didn't we just have one? |
TrogL |
Sep-18-06 12:10 AM |
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Any word on the |
DiktatrW |
Sep-18-06 12:10 AM |
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Nah |
NOLADEM |
Sep-18-06 12:10 AM |
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father oriely's a fairy but it don't bother mary, |
DiktatrW |
Sep-18-06 12:10 AM |
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Vatican trying to resurrect the Crusades or something? |
wiley |
Sep-18-06 01:36 AM |
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I am sure the murder of the Italian nun in Somalia prodded him |
LostinVA |
Sep-18-06 12:10 AM |
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That's not an apology...of course they'll continue to be offended. |
autorank |
Sep-18-06 12:10 AM |
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"This guy is pretty tough. He knew exactly what he was saying and he's ... |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-18-06 07:29 AM |
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The irony of Islamic violence because of the Pope's address is rich |
Psephos |
Sep-18-06 01:31 AM |
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Yes, equating the Muslim's #1 Prophet to EVIL is what really gets |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-18-06 07:06 AM |
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Has anyone read the Pope's whole speech? |
Bridget Burke |
Sep-18-06 06:17 AM |
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Pope |
TomChicago |
Sep-18-06 07:11 AM |
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Out of Context or not ... the following paragraph was INFLAMMATORY |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-18-06 07:12 AM |
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It's better in context |
Marie26 |
Sep-18-06 10:17 AM |
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The men that run the Church/Vatican |
plasticsundance |
Sep-18-06 07:12 AM |
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Yeah right. |
Woolwich |
Sep-18-06 08:44 AM |
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So are you for the cross dressing or against it? |
plasticsundance |
Sep-18-06 09:43 AM |
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Personally? |
Woolwich |
Sep-18-06 09:54 AM |
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Well ... see? That's all I'm saying. |
plasticsundance |
Sep-18-06 10:40 AM |
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Sorry I don't even understand the relationship. So someone |
humbled_opinion |
Sep-18-06 10:58 AM |
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The Arab/Muslim world is inflamed |
plasticsundance |
Sep-18-06 11:36 AM |
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We disagree... My point is that the Pope who repeated words of an |
humbled_opinion |
Sep-18-06 12:28 PM |
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Many religions were spread by the sword |
plasticsundance |
Sep-18-06 03:20 PM |
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What YOU said!!! BEST POST ON THE SUBJECT!!! |
Karenina |
Sep-18-06 12:33 PM |
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Fair Enough |
Woolwich |
Sep-19-06 11:25 AM |
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What a weasel. It's a BS, "sorry you feel that way" kind of "apology" |
confludemocrat |
Sep-18-06 09:33 AM |
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this Pope went over the line with this comment, way over the line |
alyce douglas |
Sep-18-06 09:59 AM |
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Over the line I think not all he did was speak historical fact. |
humbled_opinion |
Sep-18-06 11:00 AM |
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Non-apology |
Marie26 |
Sep-18-06 10:02 AM |
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I'm divided over this matter |
Julius Civitatus |
Sep-18-06 10:44 AM |
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I'm not saying that the Pope was right... |
RiDuvessa |
Sep-18-06 11:27 AM |
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The reaction of quite a few people is out of line |
CJCRANE |
Sep-18-06 12:23 PM |
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Not only that, but |
Megahurtz |
Sep-18-06 06:07 PM |
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well, I see the Catholic Church |
newspeak |
Sep-18-06 11:41 AM |
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It's hard to disagree with the simple statement that |
Spinoza |
Sep-18-06 02:11 PM |
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I am waiting for a SINGLE |
Spinoza |
Sep-18-06 02:15 PM |
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Pope helps Chimpy to underline the so-called clash of ideologies. |
oasis |
Sep-18-06 05:24 PM |
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The Pope should not apologize for the following remarks |
CreekDog |
Sep-18-06 06:37 PM |
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Don't you think the Pope |
CJCRANE |
Sep-18-06 06:53 PM |
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His comments are against the Spanish Inquisition |
CreekDog |
Sep-18-06 06:56 PM |
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The only Islamic Republic |
CJCRANE |
Sep-18-06 07:01 PM |
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