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Sun Sep-17-06 09:38 AM
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| 5. Guess that pushes the "infallability" meme out the window. |
| -BBC: Pope sorry for offending Muslims (has apologised in person) |
CJCRANE |
Sep-17-06 09:28 AM |
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that man is too old and out of touch to be in such a powerful position |
jean |
Sep-17-06 09:31 AM |
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If Pope John Paul II were alive and healthy today, he would NOT |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-17-06 09:37 AM |
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Good! That's what he could have done from the onset of outrage |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-17-06 09:32 AM |
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But what if it is true . . . |
toopers |
Sep-17-06 02:12 PM |
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My respect for him has increased |
CJCRANE |
Sep-17-06 09:35 AM |
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but he should have never said it. |
alyce douglas |
Sep-18-06 10:01 AM |
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This was no mistake it was done on purpose |
IChing |
Sep-18-06 10:59 AM |
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he apologized for uttering it--did NOT dispute the Truth of the statement |
Supersedeas |
Sep-18-06 01:43 PM |
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He didn't. He lied |
warrens |
Sep-18-06 03:13 PM |
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#89, The pope didn't call Islam violent and bloodthirsty |
CreekDog |
Sep-18-06 06:50 PM |
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Guess that pushes the "infallability" meme out the window. |
blm |
Sep-17-06 09:38 AM |
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Infallibility has to be specifically invoked and has only been done |
Zynx |
Sep-17-06 09:42 AM |
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Not really - papal "infallibility" doesn't mean that every statement the |
Pendrench |
Sep-17-06 09:43 AM |
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No, you're basically right |
5thGenDemocrat |
Sep-17-06 11:25 AM |
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Huh??? If true, then this new and improved Catholic Church is far |
VegasWolf |
Sep-18-06 03:28 PM |
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Well, lots of stuff changes in forty years |
5thGenDemocrat |
Sep-19-06 12:12 PM |
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You missed the church's teachings on Limbo I guess. You need to do more |
VegasWolf |
Sep-19-06 01:10 PM |
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Well, I guess you were |
5thGenDemocrat |
Sep-19-06 06:29 PM |
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Nah! Just a straight A student who made a lot of right decisions. nt |
VegasWolf |
Sep-19-06 07:04 PM |
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BTW, you mentioned the Papal Bull defining Mary's Immaculate Conception |
VegasWolf |
Sep-18-06 03:37 PM |
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Funny -- I was just chatting with a Muslim man here on DU |
5thGenDemocrat |
Sep-19-06 01:08 PM |
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You appear very ignorant of Catholic history - check out these Papal Bulls |
VegasWolf |
Sep-19-06 01:25 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Sep-17-06 09:41 AM |
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The devil made me say that. |
MindMatter |
Sep-17-06 10:05 AM |
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Is this an apology? |
AusTexDem |
Sep-17-06 11:05 AM |
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no, it is not an apology and it was not a mistake |
bbgrunt |
Sep-17-06 12:03 PM |
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Just out of interest . . . |
toopers |
Sep-17-06 02:15 PM |
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I don't understand the connection, unless you are referring to his |
bbgrunt |
Sep-17-06 03:04 PM |
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A youthful dalliance? |
toopers |
Sep-18-06 08:36 PM |
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I like Senator Byrd ... Get over his past he has done much more |
humbled_opinion |
Sep-18-06 10:50 AM |
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When you say he has done much more . . . |
toopers |
Sep-18-06 08:33 PM |
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Nope-- it remains the same. First out of the mouths of his minions |
Malikshah |
Sep-17-06 04:32 PM |
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Because he is not sorry. He stated historical fact n/t |
humbled_opinion |
Sep-18-06 10:50 AM |
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First the Jews in his youth, and now Muslims |
NOLADEM |
Sep-17-06 11:57 AM |
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and fuck those muslim bigots who shot that nun and fire bombed churches |
951-Riverside |
Sep-17-06 12:13 PM |
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Absolutely. |
NOLADEM |
Sep-17-06 12:16 PM |
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Yeah, can't ya just feel the love? |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-18-06 07:18 AM |
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OK on the equally tolerant about each others religious beliefs however, |
humbled_opinion |
Sep-18-06 10:56 AM |
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But do you think |
CJCRANE |
Sep-18-06 11:07 AM |
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My Points |
humbled_opinion |
Sep-18-06 11:13 AM |
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1. Religion and poltics |
CJCRANE |
Sep-18-06 12:21 PM |
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Huh get a clue |
humbled_opinion |
Sep-18-06 12:37 PM |
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You answered #1 |
CJCRANE |
Sep-18-06 12:50 PM |
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example of a muslim country that has invaded a western country in the last |
humbled_opinion |
Sep-18-06 01:24 PM |
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Do you notice the poison in yourself? |
CBHagman |
Sep-17-06 12:24 PM |
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But they're a bigot for the left, which is OK. |
LordLovesAWorkingMan |
Sep-17-06 02:56 PM |
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This person is correct that The Vatican abetted The Nazis and |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-18-06 07:22 AM |
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Don't invoke things that happend hundreds of years ago as relevant... |
humbled_opinion |
Sep-18-06 11:15 AM |
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I agree. Fuck this asswipe. |
TankLV |
Sep-17-06 06:51 PM |
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No he is only speaking historical fact. Islam is not a tolerant religion |
humbled_opinion |
Sep-18-06 10:52 AM |
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And Christianity is? |
NOLADEM |
Sep-18-06 05:15 PM |
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Better late than never. |
Karenina |
Sep-17-06 12:15 PM |
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I'm not "happy" about anything he does. |
crim son |
Sep-18-06 06:52 AM |
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This article said he apologized for "the reactions" - he did not apologize |
cyberpj |
Sep-17-06 12:56 PM |
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The pope is being an ass. |
tedzbear |
Sep-17-06 02:53 PM |
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That's what they all do. |
mwb970 |
Sep-18-06 06:42 AM |
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Pope Political I |
Prisoner_Number_Six |
Sep-17-06 01:01 PM |
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I thought this guy was going to be a caretaker |
cambie |
Sep-17-06 02:04 PM |
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Catholics and Italians are not safe |
marshall |
Sep-18-06 07:17 AM |
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Pope announces global intinerary of apology |
fedsron2us |
Sep-17-06 03:47 PM |
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AP: Pope's Response Accepted by Some Muslims |
Eugene |
Sep-17-06 04:01 PM |
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He must either be as stupid as Bush |
goclark |
Sep-17-06 07:54 PM |
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Pope issues rare statement of regret |
rodeodance |
Sep-18-06 12:10 AM |
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A statement of regret that people got offended.... not that he was sorry |
beyurslf |
Sep-18-06 12:10 AM |
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Exactly... |
GoddessOfGuinness |
Sep-18-06 12:10 AM |
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So much for being omnipotent |
DoYouEverWonder |
Sep-18-06 12:10 AM |
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Yeah. That Doctrine of Infallibility thingy seems to have a |
charlyvi |
Sep-18-06 12:10 AM |
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That's not how that works |
LostinVA |
Sep-18-06 12:10 AM |
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Didn't we just have one? |
TrogL |
Sep-18-06 12:10 AM |
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Any word on the |
DiktatrW |
Sep-18-06 12:10 AM |
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Nah |
NOLADEM |
Sep-18-06 12:10 AM |
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father oriely's a fairy but it don't bother mary, |
DiktatrW |
Sep-18-06 12:10 AM |
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Vatican trying to resurrect the Crusades or something? |
wiley |
Sep-18-06 01:36 AM |
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I am sure the murder of the Italian nun in Somalia prodded him |
LostinVA |
Sep-18-06 12:10 AM |
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That's not an apology...of course they'll continue to be offended. |
autorank |
Sep-18-06 12:10 AM |
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"This guy is pretty tough. He knew exactly what he was saying and he's ... |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-18-06 07:29 AM |
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The irony of Islamic violence because of the Pope's address is rich |
Psephos |
Sep-18-06 01:31 AM |
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Yes, equating the Muslim's #1 Prophet to EVIL is what really gets |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-18-06 07:06 AM |
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Has anyone read the Pope's whole speech? |
Bridget Burke |
Sep-18-06 06:17 AM |
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Pope |
TomChicago |
Sep-18-06 07:11 AM |
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Out of Context or not ... the following paragraph was INFLAMMATORY |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-18-06 07:12 AM |
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It's better in context |
Marie26 |
Sep-18-06 10:17 AM |
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The men that run the Church/Vatican |
plasticsundance |
Sep-18-06 07:12 AM |
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Yeah right. |
Woolwich |
Sep-18-06 08:44 AM |
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So are you for the cross dressing or against it? |
plasticsundance |
Sep-18-06 09:43 AM |
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Personally? |
Woolwich |
Sep-18-06 09:54 AM |
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Well ... see? That's all I'm saying. |
plasticsundance |
Sep-18-06 10:40 AM |
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Sorry I don't even understand the relationship. So someone |
humbled_opinion |
Sep-18-06 10:58 AM |
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The Arab/Muslim world is inflamed |
plasticsundance |
Sep-18-06 11:36 AM |
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We disagree... My point is that the Pope who repeated words of an |
humbled_opinion |
Sep-18-06 12:28 PM |
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Many religions were spread by the sword |
plasticsundance |
Sep-18-06 03:20 PM |
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What YOU said!!! BEST POST ON THE SUBJECT!!! |
Karenina |
Sep-18-06 12:33 PM |
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Fair Enough |
Woolwich |
Sep-19-06 11:25 AM |
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What a weasel. It's a BS, "sorry you feel that way" kind of "apology" |
confludemocrat |
Sep-18-06 09:33 AM |
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this Pope went over the line with this comment, way over the line |
alyce douglas |
Sep-18-06 09:59 AM |
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Over the line I think not all he did was speak historical fact. |
humbled_opinion |
Sep-18-06 11:00 AM |
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Non-apology |
Marie26 |
Sep-18-06 10:02 AM |
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I'm divided over this matter |
Julius Civitatus |
Sep-18-06 10:44 AM |
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I'm not saying that the Pope was right... |
RiDuvessa |
Sep-18-06 11:27 AM |
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The reaction of quite a few people is out of line |
CJCRANE |
Sep-18-06 12:23 PM |
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Not only that, but |
Megahurtz |
Sep-18-06 06:07 PM |
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well, I see the Catholic Church |
newspeak |
Sep-18-06 11:41 AM |
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It's hard to disagree with the simple statement that |
Spinoza |
Sep-18-06 02:11 PM |
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I am waiting for a SINGLE |
Spinoza |
Sep-18-06 02:15 PM |
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Pope helps Chimpy to underline the so-called clash of ideologies. |
oasis |
Sep-18-06 05:24 PM |
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The Pope should not apologize for the following remarks |
CreekDog |
Sep-18-06 06:37 PM |
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Don't you think the Pope |
CJCRANE |
Sep-18-06 06:53 PM |
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His comments are against the Spanish Inquisition |
CreekDog |
Sep-18-06 06:56 PM |
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The only Islamic Republic |
CJCRANE |
Sep-18-06 07:01 PM |
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