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SutaUvaca Donating Member (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 03:00 PM
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23. Not as his defender
but as one trying to understand him, I think this use of the word "atheist" could well be a case of the common misinterpretation of the guys words. We only get western news agency type translations here I think. I'll add an insightful article link from CounterPunch that is interesting about the interpretations we hear. My current speculation is that he might well mean that our leaders do not actually follow the teaching of (their own) god (though claiming to) and therefore ungodly behavior results. IMHO

http://www.counterpunch.org/tilley08282006.html
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  -Ahmadinejad: Atheism of big powers is rootcause of man's plight ECH1969  Sep-01-06 02:40 PM   #0 
  - My God (no pun intended) — he sounds like a Republican!  NYCGirl   Sep-01-06 02:41 PM   #1 
  - Your post made me laugh out loud because the first thing I  acmavm   Sep-01-06 02:51 PM   #10 
  - religious extremists are all blood brothers and sisters  arewenotdemo   Sep-01-06 03:01 PM   #24 
  - my Iranian friend said Ahmadin. was installed by the religious wingnuts in  wordpix2   Sep-02-06 04:43 PM   #70 
  - Dear lord, won't he just shut the fuck up for once? eom  geek tragedy   Sep-01-06 02:42 PM   #2 
  - Why? Has bush** shut up? They're both trying to out-crazy  acmavm   Sep-01-06 02:52 PM   #13 
     - Uh, I wish Bush would STFU too. eom  geek tragedy   Sep-01-06 02:55 PM   #19 
  - Really? We atheists see crackpot religions taken to extremes  Warpy   Sep-01-06 02:42 PM   #3 
  - Bingo.  mainegreen   Sep-01-06 02:44 PM   #6 
  - ayup  Solly Mack   Sep-01-06 02:56 PM   #20 
  - Well put! nt  phillinweird247   Sep-01-06 03:23 PM   #32 
  - Not just Fundies! Read 'The End of Faith' by Sam Harris  RadiDem   Sep-01-06 07:25 PM   #44 
  - Exactly. What wars have we started? Who have we persecuted?  SoyCat   Sep-03-06 09:11 PM   #90 
  - I think not letting peope wear shorts, dance, listen to jazz and all the  zonkers   Sep-01-06 02:43 PM   #4 
  - Pat Robertson scratches head, responds, "well, sorta..."  eallen   Sep-01-06 02:43 PM   #5 
  - Where's the usual chorus of his defenders  rockymountaindem   Sep-01-06 02:47 PM   #7 
  - He's gone too far even for them. eom  geek tragedy   Sep-01-06 02:51 PM   #9 
  - I guess it's ok when he's bashing Christianity  rockymountaindem   Sep-01-06 02:53 PM   #14 
     - Or denying the Holocaust. eom  geek tragedy   Sep-01-06 02:54 PM   #18 
     - well, that did piss me off  arewenotdemo   Sep-01-06 03:06 PM   #29 
     - I'm missing the part where this is a threatening statement.  Warren Stupidity   Sep-01-06 09:21 PM   #49 
     - I can dislike Ahmadinejad  rockymountaindem   Sep-01-06 11:36 PM   #53 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-02-06 07:52 AM   #58 
        - So Canadians who hate Bush are advocates of an invasion of the U.S.?  Telly Savalas   Sep-02-06 09:25 AM   #63 
           - Evidently  rockymountaindem   Sep-02-06 09:50 AM   #65 
     - Just because Bush doesn't like a guy doesn't mean he's good.  Zynx   Sep-02-06 10:37 AM   #69 
     - Great post.  Zhade   Sep-03-06 04:42 AM   #73 
     - Oh please. I doubt atheists are that thin-skinned. So what if he bashes  leesa   Sep-01-06 09:59 PM   #52 
        - We're remarkably thicker-skinned than some believers, apparently.  Zhade   Sep-03-06 04:43 AM   #74 
  - Most people need a big daddy in the sky  wtmusic   Sep-01-06 02:53 PM   #16 
  - Seeing as how the last several thousand years  Warren Stupidity   Sep-01-06 09:12 PM   #48 
  - And then there are those of us who don't need myths to be good people.  Zhade   Sep-03-06 04:45 AM   #75 
  - Not as his defender  SutaUvaca   Sep-01-06 03:00 PM   #23 
  - How about his reference to the "so-called Holocaust" which "has not  geek tragedy   Sep-01-06 03:04 PM   #27 
  - I don't.  igil   Sep-02-06 09:19 AM   #61 
  - I'm guessing, to a fundie like him, any non-Muslim...  Zhade   Sep-03-06 04:46 AM   #76 
  - Eh.  Bornaginhooligan   Sep-01-06 03:30 PM   #35 
  - Wow, Byrd really said that?  Zhade   Sep-03-06 04:47 AM   #77 
  - I have no idea if the translation is accurate.  Warren Stupidity   Sep-01-06 09:09 PM   #47 
  - Is this guy with the Kill All Muslims God or the Kill All Jews God?  sofa king   Sep-01-06 02:50 PM   #8 
  - Kill 'em all and let Allah sort them out. n/t  shain from kane   Sep-01-06 02:53 PM   #15 
  - Well played sir, well played.  sofa king   Sep-01-06 03:04 PM   #26 
  - Well, at least my God  hogwyld   Sep-02-06 07:34 PM   #71 
  - At our giant Atheist Convention last night....  Ezlivin   Sep-01-06 02:51 PM   #11 
  - ...setting God Almighty as its ultimate goal.  progressoid   Sep-01-06 02:52 PM   #12 
  - Time for the US and Iran to unite  DavidD   Sep-01-06 02:54 PM   #17 
  - Which ones are declared atheists?  PATRICK   Sep-01-06 02:59 PM   #21 
  - How do we know that the French version is more accurate than the English  geek tragedy   Sep-01-06 03:02 PM   #25 
  - Because this isn't a 3rd party translation. His own people translated  w4rma   Sep-01-06 03:06 PM   #28 
  - We don't  PATRICK   Sep-01-06 03:10 PM   #30 
     - Except that more people in Europe speak English than  geek tragedy   Sep-01-06 03:17 PM   #31 
        - Except that as a general strategy  PATRICK   Sep-01-06 03:23 PM   #33 
           - I agree that he's trying to poke a stick in the eye of the US.  geek tragedy   Sep-01-06 03:26 PM   #34 
  - Are you sure they're the same speech?  muriel_volestrangler   Sep-01-06 06:43 PM   #43 
     - That's actually more explicit than the English, isn't it?  igil   Sep-02-06 09:22 AM   #62 
  - Just another band of Rapture Rangers  48percenter   Sep-01-06 02:59 PM   #22 
  - The term "secularism" would probably be better  daleo   Sep-01-06 03:47 PM   #36 
  - Such a shame his mother didn't have an abortion  bluestateguy   Sep-01-06 04:47 PM   #37 
  - A question  Jack Rabbit   Sep-01-06 04:56 PM   #38 
  - NO, I Don't Think So  Demeter   Sep-01-06 04:58 PM   #39 
  - Other parts of the speech  PATRICK   Sep-01-06 05:27 PM   #41 
  - There is no difference between him and Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson.  The Stranger   Sep-01-06 05:22 PM   #40 
  - This "divine messenger" needs to be returned to sender ASAP  kurth   Sep-01-06 05:50 PM   #42 
  - Dear Mr. Ahmadinejad ,  Spinoza   Sep-01-06 07:34 PM   #45 
  - He should get together with Falwell. They should love each other. n/t  GOPBasher   Sep-01-06 07:41 PM   #46 
  - will some wake up?  Superman Returns   Sep-01-06 09:54 PM   #50 
  - Hey, it ain't us atheists causing the problems...  leesa   Sep-01-06 09:55 PM   #51 
  - notice all these religious nutcases fight each other  JI7   Sep-02-06 12:58 AM   #54 
  - Us people who are not outwardly trying inflict our beliefs on others......  nolabels   Sep-03-06 04:58 AM   #79 
  - Right, and god only knows  Mythsaje   Sep-02-06 03:23 AM   #55 
  - Oh please...in his book every non-Muslim is an 'atheist'  Jeroen   Sep-02-06 05:51 AM   #56 
  - No, that's not what he thinks at all  muriel_volestrangler   Sep-02-06 06:48 AM   #57 
  - Can't we just distort everything he says?  Warren Stupidity   Sep-02-06 07:53 AM   #59 
  - There's no need to make stuff up to hate this evil S.O.B.`  geek tragedy   Sep-02-06 09:56 AM   #66 
  - The question is,  igil   Sep-02-06 09:29 AM   #64 
  - People of the Book  kineneb   Sep-02-06 10:42 PM   #72 
  - US is "one nation under god" - so what is he talking about?  ckramer   Sep-02-06 08:01 AM   #60 
  - Bush is an atheist.  gulliver   Sep-02-06 09:59 AM   #67 
  - No, he's not an atheist.  Zhade   Sep-03-06 04:51 AM   #78 
  - Nor could he read 60 books in a decade ,in practice he is atheistic  orpupilofnature57   Sep-03-06 05:07 AM   #80 
     - And what, exactly, does that mean?  Zhade   Sep-03-06 06:00 AM   #81 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-03-06 06:17 AM   #82 
           - Um...what?  Zhade   Sep-03-06 03:41 PM   #84 
           - Fuck that!  trotsky   Sep-03-06 04:54 PM   #88 
  - Bush? An Atheist? I think not!  Random_Australian   Sep-03-06 04:03 PM   #85 
  - Good Point  stepnw1f   Sep-03-06 04:07 PM   #86 
  - Interesting.  trotsky   Sep-03-06 04:52 PM   #87 
  - Good! Let's start a debate on the world stage re: the power of religion.  Straight Shooter   Sep-02-06 09:59 AM   #68 
  - In defense of Ahmadinejad  TorchesAndPitchforks   Sep-03-06 10:51 AM   #83 
  - So now its Atheisim as well as "Zionist"???  and-justice-for-all   Sep-03-06 08:36 PM   #89 
  - Well, that's what his magic book says, so he believes it.  Master of Disaster   Sep-04-06 05:58 AM   #91 
 

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