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Paschall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 02:27 AM
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10. I think you're confusing two different issues
Edited on Tue Dec-02-03 02:29 AM by Paschall
This article is about social policy, which in Europe is undoubtedly far more progressive than it is in the US.

If Europeans seem to you to be sneering at Americans, it may be in large part that (1) Europeans in the EU have much to be proud of. Not least of which are those social policies, but also the fact that the Union was devised--and has succeeded--as a force for peace. The members of the Union have maintained a half-century of peace amongst themselves, the longest single such period in the entire history of the Continent. In creating the Union they have embarked on an unprecedented experiment in international relations.

And those sneers might also be explained by the fact that (2) Americans are largely oblivious to their own cultural elitism. Europeans, having lived through centuries of war and the loss of tens of millions of lives in the 20th century alone, put little faith in nationalism... or patriotism for that matter as it might be defined in the US. Americans, on the other hand, accept it as a patriotic article of faith that everything American is superior. Few Americans speak any language but English or know anything about what goes beyond the US border... which in a world of 6 billion people is rather elitist, don't you think, particularly since Americans pride themselves on having the best nation in the world and even "leading" the world. Europeans look at the electoral process, drug laws, capital punishment, racial inequality, environmental waste, and massive poverty in the US and say Americans are not quite what they imagine themselves to be.
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  -Canada Steers Closer to Europe Than the U.S. on Social Issues (NYT) Billy_Pilgrim  Dec-01-03 09:09 PM   #0 
  - It's true  George_Bonanza   Dec-01-03 09:20 PM   #1 
  - I think you're confusing two different issues  Paschall   Dec-02-03 02:27 AM   #10 
  - Good for Canada  Mari333   Dec-01-03 09:25 PM   #2 
  - Well, Bill this ain't exactly LBN  Ernesto   Dec-01-03 09:27 PM   #3 
  - It is interesting, Bush did us (Canadians) a favour....  Spazito   Dec-01-03 09:48 PM   #4 
  - My Grandmother was from Toronto. I find myself thinking I'll  Billy_Pilgrim   Dec-01-03 10:44 PM   #6 
  - LOL re evil grin!  Spazito   Dec-02-03 12:06 AM   #9 
  - People like Bush underestimate Canada pretty seriously  Screaming Lord Byron   Dec-02-03 08:34 AM   #17 
  - Salute---vive Canada!  saskatoon   Dec-02-03 05:32 PM   #69 
  - I must take acception to one remark in the NYT article  glarius   Dec-01-03 10:22 PM   #5 
  - Maybe she's talking about the mood in Montreal per se  exCav   Dec-02-03 05:34 AM   #11 
     - Perhaps in response to the anti-French atmosphere prevalent in U.S.A  glarius   Dec-02-03 07:19 AM   #13 
     - Quebeckers are not French  exCav   Dec-02-03 07:55 AM   #15 
        - I was born in Ontario close to the Quebec border...don't explain Quebec  glarius   Dec-02-03 08:12 AM   #16 
           - So explain me why Quebeckers  exCav   Dec-02-03 08:37 AM   #18 
              - France couldn't care less about Quebec.  Screaming Lord Byron   Dec-02-03 08:42 AM   #19 
              - We have a real feeling for The French Canadian people  BonjourUSA   Dec-02-03 11:41 AM   #26 
                 - I'm glad to hear that.  Screaming Lord Byron   Dec-02-03 11:43 AM   #27 
                 - I concur with BonjourUSA's comment  Paschall   Dec-03-03 02:45 AM   #70 
                 - Well Quebecors don't care for France either  HEyHEY   Dec-03-03 01:04 PM   #72 
                    - Yeah, that's pretty true, I'm afraid  Screaming Lord Byron   Dec-04-03 08:09 AM   #75 
                 - Of course there is a's only natural!.....France and England were  glarius   Dec-02-03 11:47 AM   #28 
                 - La Francophonie  iverglas   Dec-02-03 12:02 PM   #29 
                 - Call them "Canadienne Francaise" to their face  exCav   Dec-02-03 02:42 PM   #33 
                    - They are quebecois, as Albertans are ....Albertans  Spazito   Dec-02-03 02:47 PM   #34 
                    - This has nothing to do with Federalist vs sovereigntist  exCav   Dec-02-03 03:26 PM   #36 
                       - I am saying that according to the polls after the referendum MOST of the  glarius   Dec-02-03 03:40 PM   #37 
                       - The Quebec referendum question was the biggest con going.  Screaming Lord Byron   Dec-02-03 03:51 PM   #39 
                       - Ah the PQ  exCav   Dec-02-03 03:59 PM   #42 
                       - You have it backwards  exCav   Dec-02-03 03:55 PM   # 
                          - The question in the referendum was unclear..hence the "Clarity Act" which  glarius   Dec-02-03 04:12 PM   #44 
                             - This has nothing to do with the Clarity Act  exCav   Dec-02-03 04:26 PM   #48 
                                - Nope, didn't.  iverglas   Dec-02-03 04:30 PM   #51 
                                - Kinda like Canadians debating American politics  exCav   Dec-02-03 04:42 PM   #55 
                                   - I just read that....IT MAKES NO SENSE!!!  glarius   Dec-02-03 04:51 PM   #58 
                                   - perhaps  iverglas   Dec-02-03 04:53 PM   #60 
                                - Where do you get that idea?  glarius   Dec-02-03 04:49 PM   #57 
                       - I lived in Quebec, Ville St. Laurent so I am WELL acquainted with ....  Spazito   Dec-02-03 03:53 PM   #40 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-02-03 02:57 PM   #35 
                    - There are two Kind of QUebec people  HEyHEY   Dec-03-03 01:06 PM   #73 
                       - Separatists are BY FAR in the minority and will fade from the scene  glarius   Dec-03-03 05:36 PM   #74 
              - I'm saying that French Canadians ARE French Canadians and  glarius   Dec-02-03 08:47 AM   #20 
                 - So are you ANGLO/BRITISH CANADIAN?  exCav   Dec-02-03 04:09 PM   #43 
                    - Do you carry a dual passport or are you an American, living in Canada on a  Spazito   Dec-02-03 04:17 PM   #45 
                    - I'm an American  exCav   Dec-02-03 04:20 PM   #46 
                       - Ahhhhhh  Spazito   Dec-02-03 04:29 PM   #50 
                    - I',m Canadian...What is your problem?  glarius   Dec-02-03 04:21 PM   #47 
                       - You have a problem being referred to as British/Anglo Canadian  exCav   Dec-02-03 04:28 PM   #49 
                       - This is so SILLY!...Why do you say I have a problem being referred to as  glarius   Dec-02-03 04:37 PM   #53 
                       - I have to compliment you on your reasoned responses, they are very  Spazito   Dec-02-03 04:32 PM   #52 
                          - THANK YOU!  glarius   Dec-02-03 04:41 PM   #54 
     - I don't know how old this thread is but  HEyHEY   Dec-03-03 01:01 PM   #71 
  - Freedom vs. Facism / Canada vs. America  Copperred   Dec-01-03 11:20 PM   #7 
  - I really wish Canadian citizens would demonstrate against bush  schultzee   Dec-01-03 11:56 PM   #8 
  - Canadian protest  Muddleoftheroad   Dec-02-03 07:33 AM   #14 
  - but we do!  iverglas   Dec-02-03 09:56 AM   #21 
     - I think the problem is that U.S.A television pretends we're not here and  glarius   Dec-02-03 10:19 AM   #22 
        - That's very true...  Spazito   Dec-02-03 10:30 AM   #23 
           - CBC or CTV said that Canadians are the largest contingent in Afghanistan  glarius   Dec-02-03 10:34 AM   #24 
              - kinda like how at DU ...  iverglas   Dec-02-03 11:21 AM   #25 
              - that's correct  Kellanved   Dec-02-03 12:16 PM   #30 
                 - Hi Kellanved of Germany!.....Thank you for what you said  glarius   Dec-02-03 01:21 PM   #31 
                    - strange  Kellanved   Dec-02-03 03:44 PM   #38 
                       - There is no explanation....except that it's being done by the Bush peopel!  glarius   Dec-02-03 03:55 PM   #41 
  - Another reason to look North.  dusty64   Dec-02-03 06:58 AM   #12 
  - interesting book: "Fire and Ice" (differences between Canada and US)  Lisa   Dec-02-03 02:10 PM   #32 
  - A note on authority....  Tommy_Douglas   Dec-04-03 09:17 AM   #76 
  - This thread has long since ceased to make any sense.  Screaming Lord Byron   Dec-02-03 04:45 PM   #56 
  - LOL... Me? I'm stayin the hell out of it.  Billy_Pilgrim   Dec-02-03 04:51 PM   #59 
  - HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!  glarius   Dec-02-03 04:56 PM   #61 
  - LOL!  Spazito   Dec-02-03 05:14 PM   #66 
     - You think it's bad up there? I had to put a long sleeve shirt on today  Billy_Pilgrim   Dec-02-03 05:20 PM   #67 
  - Personally, I'm sick of this whole Fukien Province.  Character Assassin   Dec-02-03 05:01 PM   #62 
     - Where is Fukien Province?....sounds like it could be in China!!!...LOL  glarius   Dec-02-03 05:06 PM   #63 
        - Over there, in the box marked 'twisted'.  Character Assassin   Dec-02-03 05:13 PM   #65 
           - Sorry.....I'm lost....don't know who B. Kliban is....Do you know who Terry  glarius   Dec-02-03 05:20 PM   #68 
  - As a florida boy, I'm thinking of becoming a snow bird.  reprobate   Dec-02-03 05:09 PM   #64 

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