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91. OK, let's look at a UN site for the history of this conflict
Edited on Sat Aug-26-06 12:35 PM by wordpix2

The Palestine problem became an international issue towards the end of the First World War with the disintegration of the Turkish Ottoman Empire. Palestine was among the several former Ottoman Arab territories which were placed under the administration of Great Britain under the Mandates System adopted by the League of Nations pursuant to the League's Covenant (Article 22) .

All but one of these Mandated Territories became fully independent States, as anticipated. The exception was Palestine where, instead of being limited to "the rendering of administrative assistance and advice" the Mandate had as a primary objective the implementation of the "Balfour Declaration" issued by the British Government in 1917, expressing support for "the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people".

During the years of the Palestine Mandate, from 1922 to 1947, large-scale Jewish immigration from abroad, mainly from Eastern Europe took place, the numbers swelling in the 1930s with the notorious Nazi persecution of Jewish populations. Palestinian demands for independence and resistance to Jewish immigration led to a rebellion in 1937, followed by continuing terrorism and violence from both sides during and immediately after World War II. Great Britain tried to implement various formulas to bring independence to a land ravaged by violence. In 1947, Great Britain in frustration turned the problem over to the United Nations.


The conflict does, indeed, have its roots in European imperialism and in anti-semitism in Europe that resulted in the Jewish immigration to "Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people". I don't think that blaming one side or the other for "being there now" is the answer. The fact is, Israel exists and Israelis are not leaving or letting themselves be pushed into the sea. Palestinians are there to stay, too, including those who want to get rid of Israel. I think both sides need to sit down, talk and have a third party help them negotiate. Bill Clinton tried and while he was trying, things were relatively peaceful. Under *, it's gotten worse and worse.

BTW, saying "go away" to people who have as much right to post on DU as you do is as helpful as saying the conflict is all Israel's fault, or all Arabs' fault.
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  -Protest permit alarms Utah's Jews ("Death to Israel" demonstration) sabra  Aug-25-06 09:11 AM   #0 
  - I'm a bit surprised that such applications for permits are so  ewoden   Aug-25-06 09:16 AM   #1 
  - ridiculous comment---a good reporter will go to city hall to dig up what's  wordpix2   Aug-26-06 10:21 AM   #62 
  - Advocating the deaths of all Israelis is wrong. Israel's actions  acmavm   Aug-25-06 09:24 AM   #2 
  - Of course, that's not what the article says.  Exiled in America   Aug-25-06 10:01 AM   #17 
  - I read the article too. And I notice that Ms. Green thinks that  acmavm   Aug-25-06 10:31 AM   #25 
  - Don't forget:  cali   Aug-26-06 04:22 AM   #54 
  - Unpalatable to you maybe, not a majority of the people on this board.  acmavm   Aug-26-06 08:52 AM   #58 
     - Way to go  cali   Aug-26-06 09:31 AM   #59 
        - First my original post wasn't to you in the first place. It was in q  acmavm   Aug-26-06 09:55 AM   #60 
           - LOL  cali   Aug-26-06 01:20 PM   #96 
              - Coming from the master, that's quite a compliment.  acmavm   Aug-26-06 01:27 PM   #97 
  - and what do you think the people of the US would do if faced with 30,000  wordpix2   Aug-26-06 10:28 AM   #65 
     - Maybe the Israelis should start thinking about the people who's land  acmavm   Aug-26-06 10:37 AM   #68 
        - stop the propaganda & get some real, historical FACTS:  wordpix2   Aug-26-06 10:50 AM   #70 
           - Ever since the Lebanon war, no one cares to hear what Israel has to say  IndianaGreen   Aug-26-06 10:53 AM   #72 
           - "no one cares?" You don't, obviously, but many people do want to hear  wordpix2   Aug-26-06 10:55 AM   #75 
              - There is no such thing as "two sides" in a war of aggression  IndianaGreen   Aug-26-06 11:10 AM   #77 
                 - oh, wow, so much for solving disputes between people & nations  wordpix2   Aug-26-06 11:23 AM   #78 
                    - Poppy Bush demanded Saddam's unconditional withdrawal from Kuwait  IndianaGreen   Aug-26-06 02:28 PM   #101 
                       - read the history  wordpix2   Aug-27-06 11:36 AM   #106 
           - masada? Talk About Propaganda.... Are You Kidding Us?  stepnw1f   Aug-26-06 11:39 AM   #82 
           - OK, let's look at a UN site for the history of this conflict  wordpix2   Aug-26-06 12:24 PM   #91 
              - Good God the Hatred You Feed  stepnw1f   Aug-26-06 02:27 PM   #100 
              - huh? I am feeding hatred by saying both sides need to listen & negotiate?  wordpix2   Aug-27-06 11:34 AM   #105 
              - Thanks for digging up the truth in what has become a point of contention  JudyM   Aug-27-06 11:51 AM   #107 
                 - thank you, Judy. I just heard an Arab leader, when pressed on NPR, admit  wordpix2   Aug-27-06 11:56 AM   #108 
                    - I don't think that most DUers who post in opposition to Isreal's actions  JudyM   Aug-27-06 12:20 PM   #110 
                       - I & all Israelis are not in 100% agreement with their gov. on Lebanon  wordpix2   Aug-27-06 12:38 PM   #111 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-26-06 01:13 PM   #95 
  - "death to Israel" doesn't mean "death to Israelis?" That's absurd  wordpix2   Aug-26-06 10:23 AM   #63 
  - Obscene? I thought it was healthy  Fredda Weinberg   Aug-26-06 10:01 AM   #61 
  - Protesting Bush...?  MrPrax   Aug-25-06 09:34 AM   #3 
  - Freedom of Speech Issue  Jawja   Aug-25-06 09:38 AM   #4 
  - Exactly what I though  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Aug-25-06 09:50 AM   #12 
  - The answer is to attend the event and heckle the speakers.  amandabeech   Aug-25-06 08:55 PM   #49 
  - I think it's comparable to KKK rallies.  zanne   Aug-26-06 06:54 AM   #57 
  - A Jew in Utah, must feel a bit up against it daily.  orpupilofnature57   Aug-25-06 09:38 AM   #5 
  - I understand  laptoprepairguy   Aug-25-06 09:42 AM   #9 
     - I passed through in 1975 , Clean , wholesome, and scary as hell !  orpupilofnature57   Aug-25-06 09:49 AM   #11 
        - wholesome is a positive attribute that does not apply  msongs   Aug-25-06 10:18 AM   #22 
           - Wholesome is the Guise of " Friendly Fascism " I was being Facetious  orpupilofnature57   Aug-25-06 10:24 AM   #23 
  - I'm inclined to say this pushes the limit on free speech.  fjc   Aug-25-06 09:39 AM   #6 
  - And that's why our free speech is barely around today  Exiled in America   Aug-25-06 09:53 AM   #14 
  - Speech that advocates violence in not protected speech.  fjc   Aug-25-06 10:27 AM   #24 
     - Of course it is.  The Stranger   Aug-25-06 10:55 AM   #33 
        - I think you're wrong about that.  fjc   Aug-25-06 11:02 AM   #34 
           - Well, the Supreme Court isn't wrong.  The Stranger   Aug-25-06 11:09 AM   #39 
              - Well, sure, they "could" be wrong, though they're not, of course.  fjc   Aug-25-06 01:36 PM   #46 
  - See my reply #49. n/t  amandabeech   Aug-25-06 08:58 PM   #50 
  - Interesting that they won't release the name of the person asking for the  leesa   Aug-25-06 09:40 AM   #7 
  - yes, very interesting: one who needs a public permit is not made publicly  wordpix2   Aug-26-06 10:40 AM   #69 
  - Let them protest.  Kickoutthejams23   Aug-25-06 09:41 AM   #8 
  - Death to Israel (does not equal) Death to Jews.  Exiled in America   Aug-25-06 09:48 AM   #10 
  - Both more importantly , are about Hate ,which used to be a Crime in this..  orpupilofnature57   Aug-25-06 09:52 AM   #13 
  - it didn't, and no it isn't.  Exiled in America   Aug-25-06 09:56 AM   #15 
  - Devoid of shit ! Individual Interpretation or not " doesn't have a right to  orpupilofnature57   Aug-25-06 10:10 AM   #19 
     - No. Israel is not a "person." It's a territorial nation-state  Exiled in America   Aug-25-06 10:45 AM   #28 
        - Thank you  kgfnally   Aug-25-06 11:28 AM   #42 
        - It isn't a person, no more than the Soviet Union was.  David__77   Aug-25-06 12:37 PM   #45 
        - Israel was legitimately set up after WW's I & II. Fact is, both Israel &  wordpix2   Aug-26-06 10:54 AM   #74 
  - Joseph Smith was a big story teller  0007   Aug-25-06 10:34 AM   #27 
     - And I beleive he was a wacko  orpupilofnature57   Aug-25-06 11:08 AM   #38 
        - South Park did an excellent show on Mormons the other night.  0007   Aug-25-06 11:15 AM   #41 
           - dum...dum...dumm...dum. (LOL)  NoodleyAppendage   Aug-26-06 10:35 AM   #67 
              - It dumb dumb dumb dumb - not "dum"  0007   Aug-27-06 07:31 AM   #102 
  - and both involve hatred  Charlie Brown   Aug-25-06 09:57 AM   #16 
  - We don't know that.  Exiled in America   Aug-25-06 10:04 AM   #18 
     - Then you have a " radical " for Nationalism ?  orpupilofnature57   Aug-25-06 10:13 AM   #21 
     - um.. what?  Exiled in America   Aug-25-06 10:48 AM   #31 
        - Sure, your using Radical in place of the word Hate.  orpupilofnature57   Aug-25-06 11:06 AM   #36 
           - Hmm. Let's see... no not at all.  Exiled in America   Aug-25-06 11:15 AM   #40 
     - so if rwers say "Death to Iran," it's political?  Charlie Brown   Aug-25-06 10:33 AM   #26 
     - That's why its usually nice to get a clarification, rather than generalize  Exiled in America   Aug-25-06 10:47 AM   #30 
     - what do you think could substitute for nation states?  Phx_Dem   Aug-25-06 10:53 AM   #32 
     - I'm not saying its viable :)  Exiled in America   Aug-25-06 11:04 AM   #35 
        - I don't think nationalism is inherently bad.  Phx_Dem   Aug-25-06 06:07 PM   #48 
           - I do.  Exiled in America   Aug-26-06 11:26 AM   #80 
              - Yea, it's not the greatest analogy  Phx_Dem   Aug-26-06 12:47 PM   #94 
     - how do you accomplish "death to nation-states" without killing people?  wordpix2   Aug-26-06 10:58 AM   #76 
        - By changing minds and changing leaders  Exiled in America   Aug-26-06 11:24 AM   #79 
           - I agree with some of this but you aren't going to change minds when  wordpix2   Aug-26-06 11:39 AM   #83 
              - yeah, right.  Exiled in America   Aug-26-06 11:46 AM   #86 
                 - so much for reasoning---both sides need to sit down and listen to each  wordpix2   Aug-26-06 12:16 PM   #89 
                    - The first step in "reasoning" is truth telling  Exiled in America   Aug-26-06 12:29 PM   #92 
                       - have you ever lived in either Israel or Lebanon? We are getting info  wordpix2   Aug-26-06 12:39 PM   #93 
                          - with so much war & tension in the ME, a lot of people who  wordpix2   Aug-27-06 12:11 PM   #109 
  - Just curious....  Fountain79   Aug-26-06 04:23 AM   #55 
  - The idea that Israel should be destroyed is not a legitimate opinion.  Zynx   Aug-26-06 10:24 AM   #64 
  - you're going to kill the Jewish state without killing Jewish people?  wordpix2   Aug-26-06 10:52 AM   #71 
  - Are they really sure that this group is pro-"Death to Israel"? I don't see  w4rma   Aug-25-06 10:12 AM   #20 
  - That was the red flag in my mind.  Exiled in America   Aug-25-06 11:07 AM   #37 
  - all four of 'em?  HuffleClaw   Aug-25-06 10:45 AM   #29 
  - Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom of speech that you agree with.  MadHound   Aug-25-06 11:36 AM   #43 
  - Yes , just as long as the word radical, isn't maligned by association.  orpupilofnature57   Aug-25-06 11:41 AM   #44 
  - Yup....thats sums it up for me. (nt)  rinsd   Aug-25-06 01:59 PM   #47 
  - There's a thing called vilification -  Josh   Aug-25-06 11:22 PM   #51 
  - So  Speaker   Aug-26-06 04:17 AM   #53 
  - Wow. That's crazy.  Exiled in America   Aug-26-06 11:37 AM   #81 
  - thanks, Josh, I agree. What would Arabs say if some people held a  wordpix2   Aug-27-06 01:13 PM   #113 
  - Thank you. Finally someone who read the Bill of Rights.  NoodleyAppendage   Aug-26-06 10:33 AM   #66 
  - LMAO.....  Speaker   Aug-26-06 02:57 AM   #52 
  - Did they really name it "Death to Isreal"  gorbal   Aug-26-06 06:43 AM   #56 
  - The article is so POORLY DONE that you can't tell.  Exiled in America   Aug-26-06 11:40 AM   #84 
     - poorly researched articles are par for course when local reporters make  wordpix2   Aug-26-06 01:37 PM   #98 
  - For the record: "Death to Israel" is anti-semetic  Taverner   Aug-26-06 10:54 AM   #73 
  - No, I don't think so.  High Plains   Aug-26-06 11:48 AM   #87 
     - Well the Soviet Union was not Mother Russia  Taverner   Aug-26-06 11:54 AM   #88 
     - No.  Exiled in America   Aug-27-06 10:59 AM   #103 
        - If I said "Death to Iran", how would you interpret that?  Zynx   Aug-27-06 11:09 AM   #104 
        - They are a people now  Taverner   Aug-27-06 01:04 PM   #112 
     - I don't see Israel saying "Death to Lebanon" or "Death to Iran"  wordpix2   Aug-26-06 12:18 PM   #90 
     - "Death to the Soviet Union" was/is anti-proletarian bigotry  JVS   Aug-27-06 01:21 PM   #115 
  - "A Man Whose Name is Unavailable"  stepnw1f   Aug-26-06 11:42 AM   #85 
  - There is no line between freedom of speech and anti-semitism  treestar   Aug-26-06 01:42 PM   #99 
  - The guy who got the permit was Robert Breeze, local attorney  Hamlette   Aug-27-06 01:17 PM   #114 

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