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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 12:30 AM
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41. That was a wonderfully sarcastic reply, only not very realistic.
You can attack me and my post as much as you want but unless you can come up with a response that proves I'm wrong about the repercussions of his actions it means very little. I support free speech as much as, if not more than, anyone on this board. I just know there's a time and a place to make controversial statements and a middle school is neither.

You can wax eloquently, or not, about children learning about the status quo, but who's status quo are they being taught to hate? Which unpopular speech isn't being protected and which is? School is a place to learn how to think, not a place to learn what to think. Let's teach them how to come up with answers, not which answers to come up with. There's a tremendous difference if you think about it.
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  -Teacher reassigned after burning U.S. flags in class deadparrot  Aug-21-06 11:18 PM   #0 
  - Sig Heil Ya'll nt  OwnedByFerrets   Aug-21-06 11:28 PM   #1 
  - Free Speech Lesson #1  wellst0nev0ter   Aug-21-06 11:36 PM   #2 
  - So much for the principle of academic freedom. (n/t)  coalition_unwilling   Aug-23-06 02:37 PM   #71 
  - Lord knows...  Ready4Change   Aug-21-06 11:38 PM   #3 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-21-06 11:52 PM   #4 
  - Devil's advocate on 1 point....  pepperbear   Aug-21-06 11:55 PM   #5 
  - Agreed  Ohio Joe   Aug-22-06 07:43 AM   #20 
  - Was it even necessary to burn the flag?  LiberalFighter   Aug-22-06 09:26 AM   #26 
  - Wow, somebody actually burned a flag!  Canuckistanian   Aug-21-06 11:59 PM   #6 
  - What's even more incredible, he did it in Kentucky.  beam me up scottie   Aug-22-06 12:09 AM   #7 
     - Maybe he should have burned a bible, too.  yibbehobba   Aug-22-06 07:28 AM   #18 
     - Are you kidding? This idiot teacher would have been fired in ANY state.  brentspeak   Aug-22-06 09:32 AM   #29 
     - What if he burned an unrelated object?  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Aug-25-06 10:25 AM   #90 
     - burning a flag or a paper bag in a class is pretty stupid & a risk to kids  wordpix2   Aug-25-06 10:31 AM   #92 
     - Those "red state talibornagains" will probably celebrate the teacher's  coalition_unwilling   Aug-23-06 02:41 PM   #72 
     - Being a teacher myself in the Jefferson Co, Public Schools, I am  MasonJar   Aug-23-06 04:27 PM   #78 
  - With rights come responsibilities.  last1standing   Aug-22-06 02:05 AM   #8 
  - Agreed  Sherman A1   Aug-22-06 03:16 AM   #9 
  - Really?  heliarc   Aug-22-06 04:20 AM   #11 
  - Well...  heliarc   Aug-22-06 04:19 AM   #10 
  - Good link....  CanSocDem   Aug-22-06 08:21 AM   #23 
  - Did Jane Elliot burn a flag in class?  last1standing   Aug-22-06 03:43 PM   #32 
     - No she didn't, but...  heliarc   Aug-23-06 10:27 AM   #54 
        - I agree that unorthodox teaching methods can be very effective.  last1standing   Aug-23-06 01:27 PM   #66 
        - You don't get it: the uproar is the lesson. Bravo to this teacher  coalition_unwilling   Aug-23-06 02:43 PM   #73 
           - I'm sure one of us doesn't get it.  last1standing   Aug-23-06 03:56 PM   #76 
        - I thought she was fired over it.  bling bling   Aug-23-06 01:51 PM   #68 
           - Not sure if its in the Frontline...  heliarc   Aug-24-06 05:10 AM   #81 
              - I found this....  bling bling   Aug-24-06 01:26 PM   #87 
                 - Great quote....  heliarc   Aug-25-06 09:51 AM   #89 
  - Burning the flag is not just a stunt.  annabanana   Aug-22-06 04:30 AM   #12 
  - I agree, but  Ms. Toad   Aug-22-06 07:28 AM   #17 
  - And I Disagree  Crisco   Aug-23-06 10:39 AM   #55 
  - Burning the flag IS a stunt.  last1standing   Aug-22-06 03:47 PM   #33 
  - Free speech and unpopular speech are not by definition idiocy.  Alexodin   Aug-22-06 04:34 AM   #13 
  - Voltaire said it, and I agree with him.  last1standing   Aug-22-06 06:58 PM   #34 
     - This teacher very clearly "thought" about it before the class. Of course  coalition_unwilling   Aug-23-06 02:45 PM   #74 
  - totally agree  greenman3610   Aug-22-06 07:00 AM   #14 
  - I'm with you  cali   Aug-22-06 07:06 AM   #15 
     - Agreed  GeorgiaDem69   Aug-22-06 07:24 AM   #16 
        - Oh, and they do...  heliarc   Aug-23-06 10:41 AM   #56 
  - Then we wonder why americans slit blithley by while our country implodes.  Exiled in America   Aug-22-06 08:25 PM   #38 
     - That was a wonderfully sarcastic reply, only not very realistic.  last1standing   Aug-23-06 12:30 AM   #41 
        - Hmm... I don't believe I attacked "you" at any point.  Exiled in America   Aug-23-06 02:14 AM   #42 
  - I'd take one creative teacher like this over 100 who play it safe. n/t  Doremus   Aug-22-06 07:33 AM   #19 
  - Oh, please  cali   Aug-22-06 08:14 AM   #21 
     - Why? Did he have a drumroll or something...?  Doremus   Aug-22-06 08:56 AM   #25 
     - Yeah, its really melodramatic to actually dare to USE the 1st Amendment...  Exiled in America   Aug-22-06 08:14 PM   #36 
     - These kids will never forget what they have learned about the suppression  tblue37   Aug-22-06 11:38 PM   #40 
        - I think its fair to think...  heliarc   Aug-23-06 10:51 AM   #58 
     - Melodramatic?  stepnw1f   Aug-23-06 08:06 AM   #46 
        - Er, where the fuck did I say I was for a constitutional  cali   Aug-23-06 08:35 AM   #47 
           - That "stupid little act" Just Taught Those Kids a REAL Lesson  stepnw1f   Aug-23-06 08:50 AM   #48 
              - Hear Hear n/t  heliarc   Aug-23-06 10:53 AM   #59 
  - Starting fires in a classroom...  warrens   Aug-22-06 08:18 AM   #22 
  - My chemistry teacher lived to set fires in class, or explosions  noonwitch   Aug-22-06 09:29 AM   #28 
     - Science Classroom vs. Non-Science Classroom  marshall   Aug-23-06 09:32 AM   #49 
     - "Social Sciences"  Crisco   Aug-23-06 11:51 AM   #62 
        - Ah, maybe that is true  marshall   Aug-23-06 12:30 PM   #63 
           - These Were Not Full-Sized Flags  Crisco   Aug-23-06 02:02 PM   #69 
     - Heh. See #90. -nt  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Aug-25-06 10:29 AM   #91 
  - Not too bright???  robcon   Aug-22-06 08:25 AM   #24 
  - This teacher makes Idiot Of The Week  brentspeak   Aug-22-06 09:28 AM   #27 
  - One of my middle school teachers burned hydrogen in class.  mccoyn   Aug-22-06 09:57 AM   #30 
  - The teacher pushed his own views down their throats  trixie   Aug-22-06 01:42 PM   #31 
  - Yes, the horrible view that the first amendment actually means something!  Exiled in America   Aug-22-06 08:15 PM   #37 
     - Oh stop right there  trixie   Aug-23-06 07:53 AM   #45 
        - Quit your bellyaching  Khayembii Communique   Aug-23-06 10:26 AM   #53 
        - It may comply with constitutional law but it sure doesn't comply with ~  lynne   Aug-23-06 05:44 PM   #79 
        - BS  heliarc   Aug-23-06 11:07 AM   #60 
           - As soon as he set fire to the flag he silenced debate  trixie   Aug-24-06 11:51 AM   #86 
              - Not true  heliarc   Aug-25-06 10:33 AM   #93 
                 - So if he had made racist remarks  trixie   Aug-25-06 02:14 PM   #94 
  - He couldn't use video or pictures?  Bleachers7   Aug-22-06 07:51 PM   #35 
  - Simple.  heliarc   Aug-23-06 11:12 AM   #61 
  - geez  soaky   Aug-22-06 10:11 PM   #39 
  - Point: he might have set fire to the classroom. Or the school.  robcon   Aug-23-06 07:41 AM   #43 
     - Guess your kids won't be taking chemistry. n/t  Doremus   Aug-23-06 09:57 AM   #50 
  - Let's put two statements from the article in perspective  YankeyMCC   Aug-23-06 07:45 AM   #44 
  - He could have gotten a buzz a number of ways.  igil   Aug-23-06 10:07 AM   #51 
  - I agree with the teather's stance...  Hepburn   Aug-23-06 10:18 AM   #52 
  - Sounds like an awesome assignment, actually.  SmokingJacket   Aug-23-06 10:48 AM   #57 
  - I agree with you...  Hell Hath No Fury   Aug-23-06 12:44 PM   #65 
  - Teaching K-12 will do this to you. After another year, he'd burn himself  yurbud   Aug-23-06 12:42 PM   #64 
  - Yeah he might re-enact the Buddhist protests in Vietnam  heliarc   Aug-24-06 05:34 AM   #83 
     - I think K-12 would be better if run like college. Administrators  yurbud   Aug-24-06 10:43 AM   #85 
  - I have no problem with this at all.  bling bling   Aug-23-06 01:48 PM   #67 
  - Alternatives  marshall   Aug-23-06 02:15 PM   #70 
     - This is a difficult proposition...  heliarc   Aug-24-06 05:40 AM   #84 
        - Banned Book Week is coming up  marshall   Aug-25-06 09:47 AM   #88 
  - Good thing that he doesn't teach sex ed  Freddie Stubbs   Aug-23-06 03:04 PM   #75 
  - Haha...  heliarc   Aug-24-06 05:21 AM   #82 
  - Oh, sure, the safety aspect.  MasonJar   Aug-23-06 04:10 PM   #77 
  - The teacher has been there since 1979 --- before many here were born.  DarbyUSMC   Aug-23-06 06:42 PM   #80 
 

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