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Sun Aug-13-06 01:40 PM
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Consider the initial stages of the 'Last Man Standing' resource war in the Middle East. A war being initiated by 'oil men', for a region containing most of the earths remaining petroleum and natural gas reserves, by men who know no other paradigm but petro-wealth and petro-power.
As our fifth strand, we have to wonder why the kings and nobles failed to recognize and solve these seemingly obvious problems undermining their society. Their attention was evidently focused on their short-term concerns of enriching themselves, waging wars, erecting monuments, competing with each other, and extracting enough food from the human peasants to support all those activities. Like most leaders throughout human history, the Maya kings and nobles did not heed long-term problems, insofar as they perceived them.
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Like Easter Island chiefs erecting ever larger statues, eventually crowned by pukao, and like Anasazi elites treating themselves to necklaces of 2000 turquoise beads, Maya kings sought to outdo each other with more and more impressive temples, covered with thicker and thicker plaster, reminiscent in turn of the extravagant conspicuous consumption by modern American CEO's. The passivity of Easter chiefs and Maya kings in the face of the real big threats to their societies completes our list of disquieting parallels.
From Chapt. 5, 'The Maya Collapses', from 'Collapse: How Societies Choose To Fail Or Succeed’ by Jared Diamond
Not that a societal collapse caused by gross mismanagement and incompetence of the 'leaders' could ever happen again . . .
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allemand |
Aug-13-06 04:26 AM |
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Well that went about as well as |
DoYouEverWonder |
Aug-13-06 04:34 AM |
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Staying the course is not so bad |
Roy |
Aug-13-06 12:10 PM |
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cf. |
Ghost Dog |
Aug-13-06 04:51 AM |
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Brain Damage Ravages White House |
0007 |
Aug-13-06 05:25 AM |
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Hard at work creating their own realities in their own heads n/t |
AntiFascist |
Aug-13-06 04:47 PM |
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Thanks for the link - note Cheney is still the real man in charge |
muriel_volestrangler |
Aug-13-06 05:47 AM |
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That is another thing that needs to be brought home to the public. |
ktlyon |
Aug-13-06 07:41 AM |
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It IS a crime family. |
leesa |
Aug-13-06 10:22 AM |
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well maybe strong is the wrong word how about effective |
ktlyon |
Aug-13-06 11:50 AM |
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"The Israelis told us it would be a cheap war ... |
brer cat |
Aug-13-06 06:22 AM |
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I thought Iraq was a demo for Iran! |
bhikkhu |
Aug-13-06 10:32 PM |
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Thanks for the link, Ghost |
Supersedeas |
Aug-13-06 07:25 AM |
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Thank you for the link. n/t |
Toucano |
Aug-13-06 04:04 PM |
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Thank you, Seymour Hirsch! I've been saying this since it started. |
Peace Patriot |
Aug-13-06 05:28 AM |
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Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! |
Nostradammit |
Aug-13-06 12:29 PM |
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Because people don't WANT to |
Paula Sims |
Aug-13-06 06:40 PM |
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Fear, it seems, often terrifies our better natures into hiding. |
Zhade |
Aug-13-06 12:32 PM |
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Notice how the corp media and Repukes always refer to Iran |
katinmn |
Aug-13-06 05:34 AM |
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Probably |
Marie26 |
Aug-13-06 01:19 PM |
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I think the worldwide reaction to the US/Israel aggression against |
katinmn |
Aug-13-06 02:15 PM |
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“The big complaint now in the intelligence community... |
HuffleClaw |
Aug-13-06 05:38 AM |
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K&R: It explains Israel's overly-heavy-handed attacks... |
Cooley Hurd |
Aug-13-06 05:50 AM |
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the failure to involve the lebanese military... |
bhikkhu |
Aug-13-06 10:38 PM |
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I should have known... |
regnaD kciN |
Aug-13-06 06:11 AM |
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kick |
xchrom |
Aug-13-06 06:20 AM |
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Where have I heard this before......? |
Dover |
Aug-13-06 06:49 AM |
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Very nice analysis in that link, Dover... |
IntiRaymi |
Aug-13-06 11:06 AM |
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Ka-Ching |
loindelrio |
Aug-13-06 01:40 PM |
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J. Diamond is spot on in Collapse |
kineneb |
Aug-13-06 09:12 PM |
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After watching Syriana, there's one line that makes my blood boil.... |
AntiFascist |
Aug-13-06 04:59 PM |
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I purposely understated the issue.......being facetious. |
Dover |
Aug-13-06 09:48 PM |
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So now our government is getting other governments to start wars. |
babylonsister |
Aug-13-06 07:29 AM |
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You think this is new? |
Sterling |
Aug-13-06 01:05 PM |
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Clearing the path for US war on Iran |
Dover |
Aug-13-06 07:43 AM |
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There's a big surprise |
Jacobin |
Aug-13-06 07:50 AM |
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"a CHEAP WAR with many BENEFITS" |
nashville_brook |
Aug-13-06 09:15 AM |
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I like how Seymour Hersh digs for the truth but... |
gorbal |
Aug-13-06 09:51 AM |
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K & R |
Drum |
Aug-13-06 10:03 AM |
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I hope Sy Hersh has his ducks lined up in a row on this story |
mainer |
Aug-13-06 10:38 AM |
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K&R!! I was wondering what Sy's next info-bomb would be!!! |
NVMojo |
Aug-13-06 12:09 PM |
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Well...clearly Hersh is an anti-semite. How dare he question Israel! |
NoodleyAppendage |
Aug-13-06 11:00 AM |
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Can't we do without flamebait? n/y |
Fredda Weinberg |
Aug-13-06 12:13 PM |
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You have to admit, that will be the false charge from some quarters. |
Zhade |
Aug-13-06 03:30 PM |
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No, I haven't seen that and don't know why it has to be |
Fredda Weinberg |
Aug-13-06 04:06 PM |
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I recall seeing evidence. I'd have to dig it up again. |
Zhade |
Aug-13-06 05:08 PM |
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So, tell me how do you feel about Israel starting this war to get at Iran? |
NoodleyAppendage |
Aug-13-06 05:11 PM |
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I wondered that myself yesterday. |
Zhade |
Aug-13-06 05:54 PM |
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I didn't hear what you "understand" |
Fredda Weinberg |
Aug-13-06 06:29 PM |
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So, it's all just a coincidence then...is it? Amazing odds. |
NoodleyAppendage |
Aug-13-06 06:37 PM |
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Or Hezbollah acted to take pressure off Iran |
Fredda Weinberg |
Aug-13-06 11:02 PM |
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Exactly. It's only a matter of time before Hersh is trashed as a bigot. |
NoodleyAppendage |
Aug-13-06 05:08 PM |
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Hezbollah Knew that all along |
evox |
Aug-13-06 11:26 AM |
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It really sucks being right. I wish I were wrong more often. |
Zhade |
Aug-13-06 12:17 PM |
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Madmen are driving the bus! |
Miss Chybil |
Aug-13-06 12:36 PM |
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US helped plan offensive, says New Yorker magazine |
Purveyor |
Aug-13-06 12:53 PM |
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The players are moving their pieces on the grand chess match. |
IntiRaymi |
Aug-13-06 12:53 PM |
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K&R. |
Kurovski |
Aug-13-06 12:53 PM |
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No wonder it failed (eom) |
Loge23 |
Aug-13-06 12:53 PM |
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recommended n/t |
medeak |
Aug-13-06 12:53 PM |
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Was the Gaza Beach Bombing incident a provocation to start the plan? |
NoodleyAppendage |
Aug-13-06 05:15 PM |
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Like I Said Almost A Month Ago |
loindelrio |
Aug-13-06 01:28 PM |
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Have any of you noticed |
BenDavid |
Aug-13-06 01:40 PM |
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So that's what, 10? |
KaptBunnyPants |
Aug-13-06 04:45 PM |
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So the killing of innocent civilians was the US idea? |
Evergreen Emerald |
Aug-13-06 02:32 PM |
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Yeah, same idea they used in Iraq, Vietnam, Panama......need I go on?n/t |
Dover |
Aug-13-06 10:20 PM |
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Looks like they underestimated how many dead children... |
herbster |
Aug-13-06 10:50 PM |
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Must Be Driving BushCo Crazy That Iran Hasn't Jumped Into the Lebanon Fray |
Crisco |
Aug-13-06 03:48 PM |
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K&R |
RedEarth |
Aug-13-06 09:21 PM |
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Another brain-dead Pentagon theory: |
TexasLawyer |
Aug-13-06 09:37 PM |
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kick |
flamingyouth |
Aug-14-06 11:58 PM |
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US 'knew of Israel bombing plan' |
ShockediSay |
Aug-14-06 11:58 PM |
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sure makes that drivel about exporting democracy... |
mike_c |
Aug-14-06 11:58 PM |
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knew? they were OUR bombs ! |
C_U_L8R |
Aug-14-06 11:58 PM |
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Exactly. If I hear one more news report |
stranger81 |
Aug-14-06 11:58 PM |
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GEE!! - why does my Canuk brain just scream DOH!!!!!!!!!! |
ConcernedCanuk |
Aug-14-06 11:58 PM |
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Would anyone here venture a guess to the likelihood that... |
Theduckno2 |
Aug-14-06 11:58 PM |
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Knew? We helped organized it. |
Marie26 |
Aug-14-06 11:58 PM |
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Seymour Hersh on CNN: |
Scurrilous |
Aug-14-06 11:58 PM |
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Of course they planned it. |
LynnTheDem |
Aug-15-06 12:01 AM |
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