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77. Edwards spent the 04 debate with Cheney criticizing the Iraq adventure
EDWARDS: ... And it's not just me that sees the mess in Iraq .... Republican leaders .. have said Iraq is a mess and it's getting worse .. because of the incompetence of the administration .... Paul Bremer said yesterday .. they didn't have enough troops to secure the country. They also didn't have a plan to win the peace. They also didn't put the alliances together to make this successful ...

Mr. Vice President, there is no connection between the attacks of September 11th and Saddam Hussein. The 9/11 Commission has said it. Your own secretary of state has said it. And you've gone around the country suggesting that there is some connection. There is not. And in fact the CIA is now about to report that the connection between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein is tenuous at best ...

IFILL: ... You and Senator Kerry have said that the war in Iraq is the wrong war at the wrong time. Does that mean that if you had been president and vice president that Saddam Hussein would still be in power?

EDWARDS: ... It means that Saddam Hussein needed to be confronted .. the right way. And doing it the right way meant that we were prepared; that we gave the weapons inspectors time to find out what we now know, that in fact there were no weapons of mass destruction; that we didn't take our eye off the ball, which are al Qaeda, Osama bin Laden, the people who attacked us on September the 11th ....

... We also thought it was wrong to have a $20 billion fund out of which $7.5 billion was going to go to a no-bid contract for Halliburton, the vice president's former company ...

... And .. if we need to, we can take Iraqis out of Iraq to train them .... It's so dangerous on the ground that they can't be trained there. We can take them out of Iraq for purposes of training. We should do whatever has to be done to train the Iraqis and to speed up that process ...

... They sent 40,000 American troops into Iraq without the body armor they needed. They sent them without the armored vehicles they needed. While they were on the ground fighting, they lobbied the Congress to cut their combat pay. This is the height of hypocrisy ...

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/05/debate.transc... /


JE was still in the Senate at the time; he was taking a respectable "Pottery Barn" position; and he was saying a lot of the right things then. But political realities and moral consciences limited the speed with which one-time war supporters could reposition themselves to call for immediate withdrawal. The required time for such repositioning was predictable in advance, and it was clear in advance that JE was headed for the position he finally took in November 05:

It was a mistake to vote for this war in 2002. I take responsibility for that mistake. It has been hard to say these words because those who didn't make a mistake — the men and women of our armed forces and their families — have performed heroically and paid a dear price. The world desperately needs moral leadership from America, and the foundation for moral leadership is telling the truth ... http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/11/12/17191/214


Of course, I tore my hair out and cursed constantly through all of this -- but politics is politics ...
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  -John Edwards calls for immediate withdrawal from Iraq allemand  Aug-05-06 04:21 PM   #0 
  - Getting out of DC puts politician back in touch with his base.  HereSince1628   Aug-05-06 04:26 PM   #1 
  - Edwards started as a complete political neophyte in 1998, and ..  struggle4progress   Aug-05-06 04:56 PM   #14 
  - I Think You Said It Very Well...  ChiciB1   Aug-05-06 05:12 PM   #17 
  - well said and I completely agree with your assessment.  spooky3   Aug-05-06 05:25 PM   #21 
  - Yes well he voted for the IRW and he stuck with his support after  HereSince1628   Aug-05-06 07:46 PM   #60 
  - Edwards spent the 04 debate with Cheney criticizing the Iraq adventure  struggle4progress   Aug-05-06 09:05 PM   #77 
     - A very sensible analysis.  MeanBone   Aug-06-06 01:44 AM   #83 
  - Yes, and he's also wicked smart  MontanaMaven   Aug-06-06 01:19 PM   #96 
  - Iraq withdrawal now called redeployment? - or is this pull 40k & stop  papau   Aug-05-06 05:30 PM   #22 
     - Link? Google turns up nothing for me.  Zhade   Aug-05-06 06:24 PM   #30 
        - Here is the DEMOCRATIC PARTY POSITION - at least it is as of today!  papau   Aug-05-06 08:49 PM   #72 
  - Dem plans were submitted for withdrawal - Edwards should use his cache  blm   Aug-05-06 04:27 PM   #2 
  - if Edwards makes immediate withdrawal from Iraq...  mike_c   Aug-05-06 04:27 PM   # 
  - They were getting hurt by swiftboat vets  Monkeyman   Aug-05-06 04:31 PM   #5 
  - It seems that if one senator or congressmen or woman says..  butterfly77   Aug-05-06 04:27 PM   #3 
  - Oh, I Just LOVE Him!!  ChiciB1   Aug-05-06 04:29 PM   #4 
  - As much as it might be an effective issue to campaign on  demnan   Aug-05-06 04:33 PM   #6 
  - I Happen To Agree With You... There Are Quite A Few Other  ChiciB1   Aug-05-06 04:38 PM   #8 
  - Me too - I hope there IS no war by then.  Zhade   Aug-05-06 06:26 PM   #31 
  - Yeah!! Lets hear it from Mr. Vote for the WAR  keta11   Aug-05-06 04:36 PM   #7 
  - Do Tell?  ChiciB1   Aug-05-06 04:42 PM   #9 
  - Yep one time Kerry was to be in IN they called us to come  Monkeyman   Aug-05-06 04:47 PM   #11 
  - with all due respect...  mike_c   Aug-05-06 04:47 PM   #12 
     - Your not hearing Edward duing the 2004 run wanted Iraq  Monkeyman   Aug-05-06 05:36 PM   #23 
     - Nonsense. Edwards was one of the biggest Democratic cheerleaders  GreenArrow   Aug-05-06 08:01 PM   #63 
        - Sorry, that's just a rant  philgobluemi   Aug-05-06 08:52 PM   #73 
           - I'm not making anything up  GreenArrow   Aug-06-06 09:16 AM   #89 
     - A very fair and honest analysis, as always.  Zhade   Aug-05-06 06:28 PM   #32 
     - JRE did not support Bush's War  philgobluemi   Aug-05-06 07:12 PM   #41 
     - you're mistaken-- the IWR called for NONE of those things....  mike_c   Aug-05-06 07:21 PM   #49 
     - No, I am not  philgobluemi   Aug-05-06 07:36 PM   #53 
        - Sec. 2 expresses Congress's support for PREVIOUS diplomacy...  mike_c   Aug-05-06 07:40 PM   #56 
           - Previous, current, and future  philgobluemi   Aug-05-06 08:58 PM   #75 
              - many democrats did just that-- the honorable ones...  mike_c   Aug-05-06 09:03 PM   #76 
                 - We went 0-5 in Southern Senate races in 2004  philgobluemi   Aug-05-06 10:29 PM   #78 
     - THANK YOU!  ChiciB1   Aug-05-06 07:46 PM   #61 
     - he should have been smart enough to know what that bastard bush would do  Skittles   Aug-05-06 11:49 PM   #82 
        - the WHOLE fucking world knew!  GreenArrow   Aug-06-06 09:20 AM   #91 
     - I would vote Feingold, Kucinich etal anyday over  keta11   Aug-05-06 07:42 PM   #57 
        - And you would keep losing elections  ruggerson   Aug-06-06 11:28 AM   #93 
  - most telling line in the article is this:  GreenArrow   Aug-05-06 07:44 PM   #59 
     - Oh, pulleeezzz  philgobluemi   Aug-06-06 05:03 PM   #101 
        - pulleezz nothin'  GreenArrow   Aug-06-06 08:11 PM   #104 
           - Interesting, but not at all  philgobluemi   Aug-06-06 08:32 PM   #105 
  - He sounds like Senator Kerry, only Kerry has drawn up actual  wisteria   Aug-05-06 04:45 PM   #10 
  - kerry has NEVER had the courage to call for immediate withdrawal....  mike_c   Aug-05-06 04:50 PM   #13 
     - I KICK For Your Statement....  ChiciB1   Aug-05-06 05:05 PM   #15 
     - What? Where have you been? Kerry has been out front and in the  wisteria   Aug-05-06 05:20 PM   #19 
     - Sorry, but Kerry has called for immediate withdraw .along with  wisteria   Aug-05-06 05:11 PM   #16 
     - Immediate? 12 to 18 months or so? Kerry's plan: out by July 2007!  ProSense   Aug-05-06 05:14 PM   #18 
     - I concede the point....  mike_c   Aug-05-06 05:24 PM   #20 
     - Tom Joad's plan. Out by week from Thursday.  Tom Joad   Aug-05-06 05:42 PM   #25 
     - I don't think it is about plans  PATRICK   Aug-05-06 05:56 PM   #26 
        - I know what it's about: withdrawal. A real strategy that  ProSense   Aug-05-06 06:49 PM   #36 
           - No Crusader Castles  PATRICK   Aug-07-06 03:59 PM   #107 
     - Agreed.  Zhade   Aug-05-06 06:29 PM   #33 
     - This is fucking ridiculous. Edwards is proposing what Kerry has proposed  Mass   Aug-05-06 07:19 PM   #47 
        - So, are you retracting this statement now?  philgobluemi   Aug-05-06 07:40 PM   #55 
        - No. as I said, people are not applauding what Edwards say. They are  Mass   Aug-05-06 07:43 PM   #58 
        - I'm sorry, when did Kerry or Clark call for immediate withdrawal?  Zhade   Aug-05-06 08:36 PM   #69 
           - When did Edwards? " Immediate withdrawal" is the title form AP, not a  Mass   Aug-05-06 08:39 PM   #70 
              - It appears I was fooled.  Zhade   Aug-05-06 08:55 PM   #74 
     - delete  Mass   Aug-05-06 07:16 PM   #45 
  - What's wrong with all US troops? Why the wait? Why the idiocy?  Tom Joad   Aug-05-06 05:41 PM   #24 
  - He is Saying 40,000 Out ASAP  benny05   Aug-05-06 06:13 PM   #27 
     - Iraqis *are* defending themselves. They are repelling a foreign occupatio  Tom Joad   Aug-05-06 06:36 PM   #34 
     - They Are Fighting Each Other  benny05   Aug-05-06 07:03 PM   #38 
        - Edwards foot dragging is also making it worse. Troops out NOW!  Tom Joad   Aug-05-06 08:08 PM   #64 
           - To agree and disagree  benny05   Aug-05-06 08:21 PM   #65 
     - Your VERY Fine Statement Here Is What I Was Referring To When  ChiciB1   Aug-06-06 01:25 PM   #97 
  - Great! John Edwards is still presidential material. (nt)  w4rma   Aug-05-06 06:20 PM   #28 
  - Kudos, Edwards.  Zhade   Aug-05-06 06:22 PM   #29 
  - Kerry proposed that more than 9 months ago.  Mass   Aug-05-06 07:15 PM   #43 
     - So did Edwards  philgobluemi   Aug-05-06 07:18 PM   #46 
        - Oh, so it is not news. Why is it so great in this case.  Mass   Aug-05-06 07:21 PM   #48 
        - This Has Been JRE's Position Since December 2005  philgobluemi   Aug-05-06 07:29 PM   #50 
           - OK. This is still not immediate withdrawal. This is basically the  Mass   Aug-05-06 07:32 PM   #52 
           - Yes, this position is clearly part of a progressive Democratic  philgobluemi   Aug-05-06 07:38 PM   #54 
           - The earliest position statement I remember seeing...  machka   Aug-06-06 02:23 AM   #85 
        - Edwards showed remarkable courage  venable   Aug-05-06 08:23 PM   #67 
  - That's my man! I may be able to vote democratic this time! nt  VegasWolf   Aug-05-06 06:43 PM   #35 
  - EDWARDS / CLARK 08!!!! THE RIGHT CHOICE FOR AMERICA  grytpype   Aug-05-06 06:54 PM   #37 
  - A most excellent ticket for '08!  Inspired   Aug-06-06 09:16 AM   #90 
  - Clark will never be Edwards VP.  Clarkie1   Aug-06-06 06:41 PM   #103 
  - This has been JRE's position since  philgobluemi   Aug-05-06 07:06 PM   #39 
  - welcome to DU, philgobluemi!  spooky3   Aug-05-06 07:13 PM   #42 
  - Hello  benny05   Aug-05-06 08:23 PM   #66 
  - That was the plan submitted by Kerry in Oct 05, and to the senate in  blm   Aug-06-06 11:26 AM   #92 
  - Hi phigobluemi !!!!  Catchawave   Aug-07-06 07:56 PM   #110 
  - Immediate withdrawal in 18 months. The title is a little bit misleading.  Mass   Aug-05-06 07:09 PM   #40 
  - Great! .. Now will he call for a ceasefire in Lebanon and Palestine?  mom cat   Aug-05-06 07:15 PM   #44 
  - He's Calling for International Troops to be in S. Lebanon  benny05   Aug-05-06 08:00 PM   #62 
     - That is different from calling for a ceasefire. Is he calling for an  mom cat   Aug-05-06 08:35 PM   #68 
        - That was not clear to me  benny05   Aug-05-06 08:45 PM   #71 
  - kick!  usregimechange   Aug-05-06 07:31 PM   #51 
  - I think the calls for withdrawal as soon as possible will start to  TayTay   Aug-05-06 11:30 PM   #79 
  - Well, that's great. But Dennis Kucinich, and a few other Dems,  Zorra   Aug-05-06 11:41 PM   #80 
  - but Johnny is prettier!  dweller   Aug-05-06 11:48 PM   #81 
  - Right on, John Edwards!  NVMojo   Aug-06-06 02:03 AM   #84 
  - POOF !!!!  UDenver20   Aug-06-06 02:29 AM   #86 
  - Don't Think So  benny05   Aug-06-06 07:14 AM   #88 
  - Huh??? n/t  retread   Aug-06-06 12:09 PM   #94 
  - why?  MATTMAN   Aug-07-06 06:12 PM   #109 
  - I've got to check the NH Dem schedule more often.  Vinca   Aug-06-06 07:06 AM   #87 
  - If You Ever Get To See Him In Person....  ChiciB1   Aug-06-06 12:44 PM   #95 
  - No shit? Where the fuck has he been? Watching what happened to Leibercon?  The Stranger   Aug-06-06 02:45 PM   #98 
     - Get out of the wrong side of the bed today?  Inspired   Aug-06-06 03:00 PM   #99 
     - Ugh, read first, then post  philgobluemi   Aug-06-06 03:10 PM   #100 
     - That's just when it was published. ;-)  machka   Aug-06-06 05:43 PM   #102 
     - Then why is it LBN?  The Stranger   Aug-06-06 10:12 PM   #106 
     - What's Up Here?  benny05   Aug-07-06 06:00 PM   #108 
 

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