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illumn8d Donating Member (693 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 03:30 PM
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45. More info on the intelligence gathering here
Well it seems the state was in on it, but no info about the feds.

http://www.labournet.net/docks2/0603/oakland1.htm

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Instead, the documents show that the San Francisco Police Dept. told the OPD the Local 10 had taken a public stand against the war and that longshore workers would likely sympathize with the protesters and participate in the direct action. Further, according to an investigative report in the May 18, 2003 edition of the Oakland Tribune, the OPD received an intelligence report from the California Anti-Terrorism Information Center (CATIC) five days before the demonstration. The CATIC, a state agency staffed with personnel from the FBI, the Defense Intelligence Agnecy and other federal, state and local agencies, warned the police the protesters might turn violent. The CATIC selectively gleaned information from activist websites and list-serves and intercepted email correspondence of ILWU members to support its notions of the protest and protesters.

The Tribune quoted CATIC spokesman Mike Van Winkle justifying his agencys tactics.

f you have a protest group protesting a war where the cause thats being fought against is international terrorism, you might have terrorism at that , Van Winkle said. You can almost argue that a protest against that is a terrorist act.
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  -SF Chron: Police spies chosen to lead war protest Newsjock  Jul-27-06 11:49 PM   #0 
  - Classic. Read "The Protectors of Privilege" for the history...  Barrett808   Jul-27-06 11:56 PM   #1 
  - During the early 70's we were careful of instigators.  alfredo   Jul-28-06 12:40 AM   #2 
  - Thanks  bigluckyfeet   Jul-28-06 03:03 PM   #42 
     - Yes, it's quite an authoritative study  Barrett808   Jul-28-06 05:13 PM   #52 
  - Bush Administration is watching you - who cares  Olderwiser   Jul-28-06 12:50 AM   #3 
  - Olderwiser, Let me be the first to say  Straight Shooter   Jul-28-06 12:52 AM   #4 
  - I thought the mayor of Oakland was Jerry Brown  SensibleAmerican   Jul-28-06 01:09 AM   #5 
  - Did you read the article?  Judi Lynn   Jul-28-06 01:42 AM   #14 
  - Are you saying the mayor can't fire the chief?  SensibleAmerican   Jul-28-06 07:17 AM   #23 
  - No one ordered it, they just probably decided it was a good idea. Right.  leesa   Jul-28-06 10:05 AM   #29 
  - Don't assume he wasn't aware  One_Life_To_Give   Jul-28-06 10:17 AM   #30 
     - It would be criminal if police were spying on dissenters?  High Plains   Jul-28-06 12:04 PM   #33 
     - To identify peaceful vs violent protesters yes  One_Life_To_Give   Jul-28-06 12:19 PM   #34 
        - Problem is, it inevitably winds up that the ones advocating violence  NCevilDUer   Jul-28-06 02:32 PM   #38 
        - So we should let the DNC be burned down?  One_Life_To_Give   Jul-28-06 02:56 PM   #40 
           - Funny. I don't remember this incident. Got links? nt  NCevilDUer   Jul-28-06 03:01 PM   #41 
        - 3 words...  ManWroteTheBible   Jul-28-06 02:49 PM   #39 
        - Well, One_Life, you're pretty naive about the cops then. They don't  Peace Patriot   Jul-28-06 03:55 PM   #48 
           - naive, because spent most of my time on the other side  One_Life_To_Give   Jul-28-06 04:56 PM   #50 
           - Oh yeah, I remember Seattle!  sangfroid   Jul-31-06 12:18 PM   #70 
           - Could barely breathe while reading this.  Cookie wookie   Jul-28-06 05:10 PM   #51 
           - I wish you would post this as a stand-alone piece...  ms liberty   Jul-28-06 08:06 PM   #60 
           - Interesting post. Should have a thread of its own. Nt  Nikki Stone 1   Jul-30-06 05:58 PM   #68 
     - what the #%(*& are you talking about?  ima_sinnic   Jul-30-06 07:34 PM   #69 
  - Jerry Brown may have been a liberal once.  High Plains   Jul-28-06 12:03 PM   #32 
     - It must of happened after he broke up with Linda Rondstat.  midnight   Jul-28-06 05:20 PM   #54 
  - Were you at the protest in SF against the inauguration?  glitch   Jul-28-06 12:43 PM   #35 
     - It just makes police not so legitimate.  midnight   Jul-28-06 05:23 PM   #56 
  - Police spies chosen to lead war protest  not systems   Jul-28-06 01:29 AM   #6 
  - Who has photos of these fuckers?  readmoreoften   Jul-28-06 01:29 AM   #7 
  - I hope they feel stupid now  daleo   Jul-28-06 01:29 AM   #8 
  - It sounds like COINTELPRO on a smaller scale.  Selatius   Jul-28-06 01:29 AM   #9 
  - So, what influence did they exert?  Ready4Change   Jul-28-06 01:29 AM   #10 
  - always remember that there will be spies  madrchsod   Jul-28-06 01:30 AM   #11 
  - yep.  fooj   Jul-28-06 02:30 AM   #16 
  - GOPs had operatives working in EVERY Dem candidate's campaign.  blm   Jul-28-06 05:22 PM   #55 
  - It makes no sense....  madeline_con   Jul-28-06 01:30 AM   #12 
  - Dupe  SensibleAmerican   Jul-28-06 01:30 AM   #13 
  - This was the event in which people were shot up and injured, whose  Judi Lynn   Jul-28-06 01:54 AM   #15 
  - I didn't follow this. What happened to these people in the pics?  superconnected   Jul-28-06 05:33 PM   #57 
     - Police shot them with wooden dowels.  Judi Lynn   Jul-28-06 08:36 PM   #61 
  - The Oakland police have some bad dudes. They more than likely had a  Peace Patriot   Jul-28-06 03:03 AM   #17 
  - Thanks for the background on ""one of 20th century's greatest liberals!"  Judi Lynn   Jul-28-06 03:20 AM   #18 
  - I'm afraid that far too many of our Demcratic Party leaders are more  Peace Patriot   Jul-28-06 03:36 AM   #19 
  - Hey, Judi Lynn! I just want to take this opportunity to thank you for all  Peace Patriot   Jul-28-06 03:39 AM   #20 
     - I do the easy stuff Peace Patriot. I would give ANYTHING for your  Judi Lynn   Jul-28-06 04:16 AM   #21 
        - I woke up this morning to your reply--what a sweet good morning!  Peace Patriot   Jul-28-06 11:27 AM   #31 
  - "I am Governor Jerry Brown / My aura smiles and never frowns" n/t  Barrett808   Jul-28-06 08:38 AM   #26 
  - Thank you for mentioning Judy Bari. Incredible woman, very vibrant speaker  glitch   Jul-28-06 12:49 PM   #36 
     - It's up now. Enter Judi Bari in the search box and you'll get 26 audio  glitch   Jul-28-06 03:31 PM   #46 
  - This is called State Crime Creation  TomClash   Jul-28-06 04:57 AM   #22 
  - Espionage: The people are the enemy  izzybeans   Jul-28-06 07:43 AM   #24 
  - This is a rerun of the 1960s police operations against anti-Vietnam War  IndianaGreen   Jul-28-06 07:58 AM   #25 
  - indeed -- we know the police here in the bay area  xchrom   Jul-28-06 09:45 AM   #27 
  - Planting instigators is a given...BUT, proving it is rare.  OKthatsIT   Jul-28-06 09:57 AM   #28 
  - While they are worried about peaceniks, our ports are not secure.  nytemare   Jul-28-06 02:18 PM   #37 
  - This is pretty messed up...  illumn8d   Jul-28-06 03:18 PM   #43 
  - This sounds like COINTELPRO from the 1960s all over again  Selatius   Jul-28-06 03:28 PM   #44 
  - that's exactly what i was thinking.  PittPoliSci   Jul-28-06 03:53 PM   #47 
  - More info on the intelligence gathering here  illumn8d   Jul-28-06 03:30 PM   #45 
  - Can his name really be "Van Winkle"? What era did he wake up from?  Peace Patriot   Jul-28-06 05:19 PM   #53 
     - I get your point,, but your history is wrong  RoseMead   Jul-29-06 06:33 AM   #63 
        - I stand corrected. It was the SECOND Crusade. I used the phrase  Peace Patriot   Jul-30-06 01:08 PM   #65 
  - I was in Army Intelligence  raysr   Jul-28-06 04:01 PM   #49 
  - Which is testament to the old principle:  bperci108   Jul-28-06 06:06 PM   #59 
  - Our Police have become the GOP Gestapo n/t  Joey Liberal   Jul-28-06 05:56 PM   #58 
  - Moral: Anyone telling you to do something stupid IS GOVERNMENT SPY.  McCamy Taylor   Jul-29-06 01:30 AM   #62 
  - OMFG, it really IS 1968 around here. Jesus H. Christ.  BlueIris   Jul-29-06 07:42 AM   #64 
  - oh, this is so sixties!!!!!  newspeak   Jul-30-06 04:50 PM   #66 
     - oops, BlueIris  newspeak   Jul-30-06 05:02 PM   #67 
 

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