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Response to Reply #263
264. And his upcoming burial.
Edited on Thu Jul-27-06 02:45 PM by mike923
This is a sad story.
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  -Judge Orders Teen to Cancer Treatment Sam Odom  Jul-21-06 07:24 PM   #0 
  - Eh.  Bornaginhooligan   Jul-21-06 07:28 PM   #1 
  - You could educate yourself by reading:  rainy   Jul-21-06 07:48 PM   #20 
     - have you ever heard of The Optimum Health Institute in san  catmother   Jul-21-06 08:31 PM   #43 
     - Cancers sometimes go into remission by themselves..  JackDragna   Jul-21-06 08:39 PM   #45 
     - yes. some do go into remission. but this woman was not the  catmother   Jul-21-06 09:01 PM   #47 
     - For every person saved by conventional treatment, I can find many more  havocmom   Jul-22-06 08:19 PM   #93 
        - havocmom, I agree...  susanna   Jul-26-06 11:21 PM   #243 
     - It makes such pure and simple sense. Putting electric, live  rainy   Jul-21-06 10:06 PM   #66 
        - "Electric?" "Live energy?"  JackDragna   Jul-22-06 02:56 AM   #68 
        - enzymes which are killed when you cook your food. Cooked  rainy   Jul-22-06 02:34 PM   #89 
           - Enzymes are not alive, therefore they cannot be killed.  kestrel91316   Jul-22-06 09:13 PM   #96 
              - Ain't pseudoscience grand? (nt)  Posteritatis   Jul-24-06 12:59 PM   #110 
              - I love N rays.  Realityhack   Jul-27-06 08:30 PM   #282 
              - Sigh... no, they're not "killed"  dmesg   Jul-25-06 09:56 AM   #123 
        - not to put to fine a point on it.  zreosumgame   Jul-25-06 10:08 AM   #127 
     - Ha ha ha.  Bornaginhooligan   Jul-25-06 04:41 PM   #186 
        - cancelled n/t (responded wrong place)  iverglas   Jul-27-06 04:25 PM   #271 
  - Background Info  Sam Odom   Jul-21-06 07:28 PM   #2 
  - I was exceedingly impressed with this kid on tv.  joeunderdog   Jul-25-06 02:51 PM   #177 
  - Starchild Abraham Cherrix  MADem   Jul-21-06 07:32 PM   #3 
  - You may get flamed, but you're right.  Redstone   Jul-21-06 07:33 PM   #7 
  - Might? Sure bet!!!! But too bad, I have a right to an opinion, too  MADem   Jul-21-06 07:52 PM   #24 
     - Gotcha. On all points.  Redstone   Jul-21-06 07:53 PM   #26 
     - i agree about the name. they should think of what the child  catmother   Jul-21-06 08:27 PM   #41 
     - Acid trip name - LOL  proud2Blib   Jul-24-06 01:35 PM   #114 
     - ABRAHAM Doesn't Want Chemo, Either  Crisco   Jul-26-06 09:28 PM   #242 
  - cool, then I'm sure you won't mind chipping in for the medical bills  ixion   Jul-21-06 07:35 PM   #9 
  - Well, of COURSE they will==they have CUSTODY, after all  MADem   Jul-21-06 07:42 PM   #16 
  - My brother is a Hodgkins survivor. He relied on conventional medicine.  megatherium   Jul-21-06 08:37 PM   #44 
  - Wow, and the odds were not as good back then. GOOD for HIM!!!  MADem   Jul-21-06 09:23 PM   #58 
  - My guess is that the clinic in Mexico is counseling them to not have any  leesa   Jul-24-06 10:41 AM   #102 
  - Oh, that one I know...  dmesg   Jul-25-06 10:07 AM   #126 
  - And that's your right, but count me out  dmesg   Jul-25-06 10:02 AM   #124 
  - 16 is NOT old enough to judge for himself  onenote   Jul-25-06 10:21 AM   #130 
  - I support the right of a pregnant 16 year old girl...  dmesg   Jul-25-06 10:23 AM   #131 
     - Well put. n/t  susanna   Jul-27-06 11:18 PM   #286 
  - Your "anecdotes".....  CanSocDem   Jul-26-06 04:02 PM   #237 
  - My brother was diagnosed in 1978 with Stage IV-b Hodgkins...  rexcat   Jul-26-06 10:29 AM   #222 
  - I do too-Hodgkins in teens has such a high recovery rate  noonwitch   Jul-24-06 12:53 PM   #107 
  - Yeah I agree  proud2Blib   Jul-24-06 01:33 PM   #113 
  - I'm sorry but what does that really have to do with anything?  underpants   Jul-25-06 11:56 AM   #158 
  - two of my sisters-in-law suffered Hodgkins...and were saved by..  MnFats   Jul-26-06 01:37 AM   #211 
  - His name is "Starchild?" That should tell us all we need to know about  Redstone   Jul-21-06 07:32 PM   #4 
  - Judgemental much?  BuddhaGirl   Jul-21-06 07:38 PM   #11 
  - Sorry, I agree with the previous poster: the name is STOOOOOOPID  MADem   Jul-21-06 07:47 PM   #19 
  - and that has what to do with the issue at hand?  bicentennial_baby   Jul-21-06 07:53 PM   #27 
     - So sez you. My mileage varies. NT  MADem   Jul-21-06 07:56 PM   #30 
  - Reinforces my belief that children should picck their own names when  reprobate   Jul-22-06 01:11 PM   #86 
     - Or, using this as a precedent, have the court assign a name nt  dmesg   Jul-25-06 04:55 PM   #188 
  - Sorry homie, that's way outta line...  bicentennial_baby   Jul-21-06 07:52 PM   #25 
  - I'll put his name up there really high on the list of stupid names.  missb   Jul-21-06 09:21 PM   #57 
  - Boy.....  boilinmad   Jul-22-06 10:19 AM   #77 
     - He has Hodgkin's Disease.  Bridget Burke   Jul-24-06 12:46 PM   #106 
  - how fucking dare they? i saw an interview with the young boy  catmother   Jul-21-06 07:33 PM   #5 
  - That's a scary situation, isn't it?  Redstone   Jul-21-06 07:36 PM   #10 
  - thank you for respecting my views. i had a very dear friend who  catmother   Jul-21-06 07:45 PM   #18 
     - I lament your loss. I do.  Redstone   Jul-21-06 07:52 PM   #22 
        - thank you. i don't know if i would mourn Bush' loss. i didn't  catmother   Jul-21-06 07:56 PM   #32 
  - I agree...  gator_in_Ontario   Jul-21-06 08:01 PM   # 
  - he seemed very mature when i saw him interviewed.  catmother   Jul-21-06 08:08 PM   #36 
  - Something similar...  CanSocDem   Jul-21-06 08:12 PM   #37 
  - you are so right. they just keep polluting the air and the food.  catmother   Jul-21-06 09:13 PM   #53 
  - Personally, I think dairy is cool  dmesg   Jul-25-06 10:38 AM   #134 
  - good bleeding dog; I missed this one  iverglas   Jul-27-06 08:32 PM   #283 
  - Actually survival rate is quite high w/ evidence based treatment  OzarkDem   Jul-21-06 10:57 PM   #67 
  - My point about religion....  CanSocDem   Jul-22-06 08:34 AM   #73 
  - If I had a megaphone...  dmesg   Jul-25-06 10:11 AM   #128 
  - this boy here? the dead one?  iverglas   Jul-27-06 08:41 PM   #284 
     - And he died....duh...follow my link  saddemocrat   Jul-28-06 09:19 AM   #292 
        - oops -- thought I'd made that clear ;) n/t  iverglas   Jul-28-06 10:11 AM   #298 
           - sorry....didn't mean to jump on you!  saddemocrat   Jul-28-06 11:49 PM   #301 
  - I can give you some feedback on those who have refused  Lars39   Jul-21-06 09:09 PM   #50 
  - i'm happy that you survived. the choice was the right one for you.  catmother   Jul-21-06 09:16 PM   #55 
  - people shouldn't be allowed to kill their children  pitohui   Jul-22-06 03:16 AM   #70 
  - how fucking dare they? Would you say the same thing if they wanted  onenote   Jul-25-06 10:27 AM   #132 
  - What if he was a she,  dmesg   Jul-25-06 10:54 AM   #139 
     - Not a violation of International Law  onenote   Jul-25-06 12:25 PM   #162 
        - No, but I think it's a moot point  dmesg   Jul-25-06 01:25 PM   #173 
  - following the progress  ulysses   Jul-29-06 08:31 AM   #305 
     - Amazing  Susang   Jul-31-06 11:03 PM   #315 
  - This is not an unusal nor ground breaking legal case. The state  TaleWgnDg   Jul-21-06 07:33 PM   #6 
  - Exactly. This is nothing new.  Pithlet   Jul-21-06 07:35 PM   #8 
  - "withhold life saving medical treatments"  Sam Odom   Jul-21-06 07:38 PM   #12 
     - Hodgkin's disease is deadly if not treated.  Pithlet   Jul-21-06 07:41 PM   #15 
        - a 93 percent chance of recovery...I'd take those odds.  MADem   Jul-21-06 07:49 PM   #21 
           - Thanks. I knew the odds were pretty good.  Pithlet   Jul-21-06 08:23 PM   #39 
  - DING!!  Realityhack   Jul-27-06 08:12 PM   #281 
  - The Snake Oil Sycophants here on DU will be all over this.  Odin2005   Jul-21-06 07:39 PM   #13 
  - as are the big pharma sycophants, obviously  BuddhaGirl   Jul-21-06 07:44 PM   #17 
  - well you must admit that much of it is. do you see these drug  catmother   Jul-21-06 07:52 PM   #23 
     - How many ads do you see for HODGKINS DRUGS, though?  MADem   Jul-21-06 07:55 PM   #29 
     - you're right. i was being facetious. but you must admit that  catmother   Jul-21-06 07:59 PM   #34 
     - No argument from me, there  MADem   Jul-21-06 09:08 PM   #49 
        - love your post. you are so right.  catmother   Jul-21-06 09:27 PM   #61 
     - Hodge-Away - Apply Directly to the Lymph Nodes  AngryAmish   Jul-22-06 09:41 AM   #75 
     - my father did, and it drove him nuts. please be kind.  brer cat   Jul-21-06 09:11 PM   #51 
     - i can only imagine. my husband has a habit of shaking his leg.  catmother   Jul-21-06 09:18 PM   #56 
     - Thanks catmother,  brer cat   Jul-21-06 09:37 PM   #63 
        - sorry about your dad. my dad died a year and a half ago from  catmother   Jul-21-06 09:50 PM   #64 
     - It runs in my family, actually  MADem   Jul-21-06 09:55 PM   #65 
     - I am against drug ads.  Odin2005   Jul-21-06 09:37 PM   #62 
     - Or that horrible toenail fungus  proud2Blib   Jul-24-06 01:44 PM   #115 
  - I think people should be able to make their own decisions w/r/t treatment  Mojambo   Jul-21-06 07:39 PM   #14 
  - i don't think suicide is illegal -- only assisted suicide. think about  catmother   Jul-21-06 07:53 PM   #28 
  - I remember reading somewhere that suicide was illegal  Mojambo   Jul-21-06 07:56 PM   #31 
  - maybe if you survive the attempt they prosecute you, but then  catmother   Jul-21-06 07:58 PM   #33 
  - Suicide is illegal.  NYC   Jul-21-06 09:14 PM   #54 
  - The reason suicide is illegal is to allow intervention  Gormy Cuss   Jul-22-06 09:35 AM   #74 
     - Makes sense.  NYC   Jul-22-06 02:01 PM   #88 
  - It's illegal in many, if not all, states  havocmom   Jul-22-06 08:32 PM   #94 
  - this child is a minor  pitohui   Jul-22-06 03:17 AM   #71 
  - should an 8 year be allowed to make his/her own decisions  onenote   Jul-25-06 10:35 AM   #133 
  - Appalling that this young man cannot make decisions about how  Crowdance   Jul-21-06 08:01 PM   #35 
  - Sort of off topic.. but please watch "A Lion in the House"  SoCalDem   Jul-21-06 08:17 PM   #38 
  - i don't have to watch it. i would never put my child through that.  catmother   Jul-21-06 08:25 PM   #40 
  - I second that  Ariana Celeste   Jul-24-06 12:19 PM   #104 
     - Wow  saddemocrat   Jul-26-06 01:05 PM   #230 
  - What a tough topic. Having a father refuse treatment and dieing  JAYJDF   Jul-21-06 08:30 PM   #42 
  - I find it interesting that this 16 year old boy is not an adult  dsc   Jul-21-06 08:43 PM   #46 
  - And if he was a she and pregnant, any judge would say it's her decision  Biernuts   Jul-21-06 09:04 PM   #48 
  - very valid point  dsc   Jul-21-06 09:11 PM   #52 
  - But pregnancy isn't a death sentence, nor is balding NT  MADem   Jul-21-06 09:26 PM   #59 
     - pregnancy can be a death sentence for some women  buddyhollysghost   Jul-22-06 09:47 AM   #76 
     - I think any woman given a choice that went along the lines of  MADem   Jul-22-06 05:18 PM   #92 
     - I always laugh when folks say, "but childbirth is naaaaaatural." n/t  susanna   Jul-27-06 11:56 PM   #288 
     - But what if I want to get laid and the bald spot turns off the  Biernuts   Jul-22-06 12:18 PM   #84 
     - Shave the head completely, unless you look like four rocks in a  MADem   Jul-22-06 05:11 PM   #91 
     - Pregnancy sometimes is a death sentence  dmesg   Jul-25-06 11:05 AM   #144 
     - chemotherapy does far more than make you bald  dsc   Jul-25-06 02:57 PM   #178 
  - Thank you for that common sense. n/t  susanna   Jul-27-06 11:54 PM   #287 
  - I support him 100%  FredScuttle   Jul-21-06 09:26 PM   #60 
  - It's not brutal for everyone.  Tracer   Jul-22-06 11:28 AM   #81 
  - I'm glad your experience went well  FredScuttle   Jul-22-06 09:10 PM   #95 
  - Chemo is very brutal. Dying at 16 is even more brutal. nt  Codeine   Jul-22-06 10:32 PM   #100 
  - hodgkin's disease is curable by today's chemotherapy  pitohui   Jul-22-06 03:12 AM   #69 
  - Both sides are right  astral   Jul-22-06 08:13 AM   #72 
  - I support Abraham and family 100%.  Akoto   Jul-22-06 10:25 AM   #78 
  - There is a certain contigent that is deeply mistrustful of medical science  Liberal Veteran   Jul-22-06 10:52 AM   #79 
  - Count me one of them....  CanSocDem   Jul-22-06 11:25 AM   #80 
  - why is self-will "anti-science"?  FredScuttle   Jul-22-06 09:15 PM   #97 
  - chemotherapy is torture......  sinogirl   Jul-22-06 11:36 AM   #82 
  - No it isn't, for many its a cure  OzarkDem   Jul-25-06 09:53 PM   #202 
  - This is the true "Men's Roe VS. Wade"!  Bonobo   Jul-22-06 11:46 AM   #83 
  - 100% agreed  dmesg   Jul-25-06 10:52 AM   #138 
  - The AUTHORITARIAN stance here is NOT appropriate.  loudsue   Jul-22-06 12:42 PM   #85 
  - He's 16 -- he doesn't have any rights  Nevernose   Jul-22-06 09:36 PM   #98 
     - So, once again, if this were a girl  dmesg   Jul-25-06 11:33 AM   #151 
  - Why not use both treatments? Sheesh, healthy food whadda concept.  genieroze   Jul-22-06 01:29 PM   #87 
  - My Grandma did that  Ariana Celeste   Jul-24-06 12:23 PM   #105 
  - "Integrative Oncology" is the study of conventional therapy....  Bridget Burke   Jul-24-06 01:23 PM   #112 
  - Depends on whom you ask  dmesg   Jul-25-06 10:58 AM   #141 
     - He's a minor, so his parents have the last say. Oops, I forgot the NSF  genieroze   Jul-25-06 11:21 AM   #148 
  - we had a situation like this in my family  mopinko   Jul-22-06 02:43 PM   #90 
  - Why do you assume it was the parents' decision  dmesg   Jul-25-06 01:27 PM   #174 
  - Thread's one big exercise in non-sequiturs & "post hoc, ergo propter hoc"  Nevernose   Jul-22-06 09:40 PM   #99 
  - Authority rests with the legal guardians. As the state has partial custody  Anarcho-Socialist   Jul-24-06 08:51 AM   #101 
  - More on the cancer  xilet   Jul-24-06 11:09 AM   #103 
  - The Hoxsey Herbal Treatment, which is what the family wants to pursue,  MilesColtrane   Jul-24-06 12:54 PM   #108 
  - Better than that bullshit vitamin C overdose some use, at least. :P (nt)  Posteritatis   Jul-24-06 12:59 PM   #109 
  - Coffee enemas is the reason Steve McQueen is still making movies  AngryAmish   Jul-25-06 09:51 AM   #122 
  - Wow, that's a stretch of a decision  dmesg   Jul-25-06 11:26 AM   #149 
     - It's not a stretch..this, from the Prince v. Mass. decision...  MilesColtrane   Jul-26-06 02:23 AM   #214 
  - The kid's receiving "The Hoxsey Treatment"  Bridget Burke   Jul-24-06 01:21 PM   #111 
  - I agree  Lorien   Jul-25-06 04:58 PM   #189 
  - And this is just another example that disproves right-wing  Caution   Jul-24-06 09:59 PM   #116 
  - Woah there... you think forcing someone to undergo a medical treatment  dmesg   Jul-25-06 10:56 AM   #140 
     - He is a minor  onenote   Jul-25-06 12:19 PM   #161 
        - I also said there is no bright line  dmesg   Jul-25-06 01:08 PM   #169 
  - Easy solution.  classics   Jul-25-06 12:39 AM   #117 
  - That's fine and dandy...  Javaman   Jul-25-06 09:03 AM   #118 
  - The parents are paying for the kid's treatment in Mexico.  Bridget Burke   Jul-25-06 09:12 AM   #119 
     - My point is: if he is ordering the kid to take cancer treatment here  Javaman   Jul-25-06 09:44 AM   #121 
        - The family never mentioned money as their motive.  Bridget Burke   Jul-25-06 10:02 AM   #125 
        - that's not my point. If the gov't is going to order a family  Javaman   Jul-25-06 11:49 AM   #155 
        - I'm fairly certain the state is paying for the treatment  onenote   Jul-25-06 10:40 AM   #135 
           - Okay, that I can work with. nt  Javaman   Jul-25-06 11:50 AM   #156 
  - Update: "Cherrix To Refuse Court Order For Chemotherapy"  Bridget Burke   Jul-25-06 09:41 AM   #120 
  - Now now, good people...  dmesg   Jul-25-06 10:20 AM   #129 
  - No, modern medicine is not 100% right.  Bridget Burke   Jul-25-06 10:45 AM   #136 
     - And you feel ok...  dmesg   Jul-25-06 10:50 AM   #137 
        - Yes, I do.  Bridget Burke   Jul-25-06 11:00 AM   #142 
        - Can you explain why you see them as different?  dmesg   Jul-25-06 11:04 AM   #143 
           - No, I feel no need to explain this to you.  Bridget Burke   Jul-25-06 11:14 AM   #146 
              - You *do* owe everyone an explanation  dmesg   Jul-25-06 11:17 AM   #147 
                 - You are the only one arguing with me & I owe you nothing.  Bridget Burke   Jul-25-06 01:14 PM   #171 
                    - I think you do owe dmesg a response.  Javaman   Jul-26-06 11:57 AM   #224 
                       - Then tell dmesg for me....  Bridget Burke   Jul-26-06 02:04 PM   #233 
                          - Boy, you certainly are a pleasant soul.  Javaman   Jul-26-06 04:01 PM   #236 
                             - Hey, I don't want to interfere with his Personal Freedom.  Bridget Burke   Jul-27-06 07:50 AM   #245 
                                - Darwin at work!  saddemocrat   Jul-27-06 09:10 AM   #247 
        - this is about the life of the child.  ulysses   Jul-29-06 08:37 AM   #307 
  - I find his sickening, DU  dmesg   Jul-25-06 11:13 AM   #145 
  - This is why  saddemocrat   Jul-25-06 11:31 AM   #150 
     - forced?  dmesg   Jul-25-06 11:35 AM   #152 
     - Boo!  saddemocrat   Jul-25-06 11:38 AM   #153 
        - Strawman  dmesg   Jul-25-06 11:44 AM   #154 
           - well  saddemocrat   Jul-25-06 11:54 AM   #157 
           - My criticism of industrial medicine doesn't make me "alternative"  dmesg   Jul-25-06 12:00 PM   #159 
              - this kid seems mature enough to make his own decisions.  reprobate   Jul-25-06 12:50 PM   #166 
           - Well  Gully Foyle   Jul-25-06 12:03 PM   #160 
           - That's fine, you're an ADULT. The kid is NOT.  harpboy_ak   Aug-11-06 02:46 AM   #319 
     - I'm glad you got your 'remission status', saddemocrat.  Lars39   Jul-25-06 12:38 PM   #163 
     - Thank You  saddemocrat   Jul-25-06 12:43 PM   #164 
        - Wow. I'm not sure 'tough' covers enough ground!  Lars39   Jul-25-06 12:50 PM   #165 
        - This was  saddemocrat   Jul-25-06 12:56 PM   #167 
        - That's great that both of you are well  Scairp   Jul-25-06 01:09 PM   #170 
     - Most alternative therapies are quackery  alarimer   Jul-25-06 01:01 PM   #168 
     - Good for you!  OzarkDem   Jul-25-06 09:51 PM   #201 
        - Is there a cancer forum?  saddemocrat   Jul-28-06 09:33 AM   #297 
  - Can a judge order a family with an overweight teen...  dmesg   Jul-25-06 01:19 PM   #172 
  - and if a very young child is involved, would you let the parents decide  onenote   Jul-25-06 03:20 PM   #181 
     - Short of actively and directly causing harm, no  dmesg   Jul-25-06 03:36 PM   #182 
        - denying treatment is actively causing harm  onenote   Jul-25-06 04:25 PM   #184 
           - Absolutely. I agree.  Pithlet   Jul-25-06 07:04 PM   #193 
              - So the kid gets no say in it at all?  dmesg   Jul-25-06 08:45 PM   #197 
                 - the "kid" is legally a "kid" so, no, he gets no say in it  onenote   Jul-25-06 09:15 PM   #198 
                 - Fair enough  dmesg   Jul-25-06 11:51 PM   #205 
                    - Parents don't have the right to condemn their own child to death.  Pithlet   Jul-26-06 12:51 AM   #208 
                       - I'm locking myself at this point  dmesg   Jul-26-06 01:17 AM   #210 
                       - I didn't mean to upset you.  Pithlet   Jul-26-06 01:38 AM   #212 
                       - you'll be interested in this article  iverglas   Jul-27-06 01:14 PM   #260 
                 - Not when it comes to matters of life and death, no.  Pithlet   Jul-25-06 10:00 PM   #203 
  - Patients should always have the right to refuse treatment.  knitter4democracy   Jul-25-06 01:28 PM   #175 
  - any adult  saddemocrat   Jul-25-06 01:55 PM   #176 
  - I disagree.  knitter4democracy   Jul-25-06 06:12 PM   #190 
     - so do you think the military should be able to recruit 16 and 17 year olds  onenote   Jul-25-06 09:18 PM   #199 
        - Huh? How is that comparable to this?  knitter4democracy   Jul-26-06 09:13 AM   #215 
           - your response does everything but answer the question  onenote   Jul-26-06 12:07 PM   #226 
  - self-delete  onenote   Jul-25-06 03:16 PM   #180 
  - Good decision by the judge. He probably saved the boy's life. (nt)  w4rma   Jul-25-06 03:11 PM   #179 
  - Another judge has lifted the order and there will be a trial  alarimer   Jul-25-06 04:20 PM   #183 
     - Yeah, because sick people can't make their own decisions  dmesg   Jul-25-06 04:34 PM   #185 
     - "I thought this was a 'progressive' board"  Bridget Burke   Jul-25-06 04:45 PM   #187 
     - I think the parents are taking the child to a cheaper doctor to save money  w4rma   Jul-25-06 06:34 PM   #191 
     - Flying him to a clinic in Mexico isn't cheaper.  knitter4democracy   Jul-25-06 08:31 PM   #195 
     - Do you have a single shred of evidence for that malicious claim?  dmesg   Jul-25-06 08:45 PM   #196 
     - "My body, my choice" used to be a progressive ideal... (n/t)  benEzra   Jul-25-06 06:52 PM   #192 
     - because children generally aren't trusted to make their own decisions  onenote   Jul-25-06 09:19 PM   #200 
     - It's their right, though.  knitter4democracy   Jul-25-06 08:30 PM   #194 
        - A 16 year old should definitely have more say  Pithlet   Jul-25-06 10:28 PM   #204 
           - perhaps he should carry along a lifelong debt as well?  flaminbats   Jul-26-06 12:21 AM   #206 
           - Well  Pithlet   Jul-26-06 12:44 AM   #207 
              - at least we agree on universal healthcare..  flaminbats   Jul-26-06 01:47 AM   #213 
           - I'd agree if he hadn't been through it before.  knitter4democracy   Jul-26-06 09:22 AM   #217 
              - The fact that he's been through it before  Pithlet   Jul-26-06 10:19 AM   #221 
              - It isn't the same thing?  knitter4democracy   Jul-26-06 07:10 PM   #240 
                 - Nope. Not the same thing.  Pithlet   Jul-27-06 02:22 PM   #262 
                    - Ummm . . . I still have to disagree.  knitter4democracy   Jul-27-06 03:47 PM   #268 
                       - I don't think one has to go to med school  Pithlet   Jul-27-06 04:38 PM   #273 
                       - I don't agree with the parents' choice, but they have that right.  knitter4democracy   Jul-27-06 07:10 PM   #278 
                          - We agree on what we want the outcome to be.  Pithlet   Jul-27-06 07:50 PM   #280 
                          - I know some doctors who would agree until the patient is a teen.  knitter4democracy   Jul-28-06 07:29 AM   #289 
                          - I'm confused as to what role you assign to the parents  onenote   Jul-28-06 09:26 AM   #295 
                             - It's that they agree.  knitter4democracy   Jul-28-06 07:20 PM   #299 
                       - Actually  saddemocrat   Jul-27-06 05:18 PM   #274 
                          - The odds have gotten better from what I remember.  knitter4democracy   Jul-27-06 07:00 PM   #277 
              - From what I understand,  saddemocrat   Jul-26-06 12:45 PM   #227 
                 - Hmmmm. That's bad.  knitter4democracy   Jul-26-06 07:13 PM   #241 
  - i know a guy who beat colon cancer with organic food and coffee enemas  mark414   Jul-26-06 12:55 AM   #209 
  - it isn't any different  BuddhaGirl   Jul-26-06 09:23 AM   #218 
  - Parents should have the *right*  saddemocrat   Jul-26-06 10:02 AM   #219 
     - LOL  BuddhaGirl   Jul-26-06 11:05 AM   #223 
        - if the kid cut an artery  onenote   Jul-26-06 12:01 PM   #225 
           - of course ...  saddemocrat   Jul-26-06 12:47 PM   #228 
           - Cayenne Pepper  Show_Me _The_Truth   Jul-27-06 10:24 PM   #285 
  - Was his name Steve McQueen?  Show_Me _The_Truth   Jul-27-06 10:15 AM   #252 
     - no, but steve mcqueen was his cousin  mark414   Jul-27-06 01:31 PM   #261 
  - so much for "freedom of choice" and "personal responsibility"  rman   Jul-26-06 09:16 AM   #216 
  - *Freedom of Choice*  saddemocrat   Jul-26-06 10:05 AM   #220 
  - Freedom of choice means...  CanSocDem   Jul-26-06 01:14 PM   #232 
     - and  saddemocrat   Jul-26-06 03:05 PM   #234 
        - Huh?  DemExpat   Jul-26-06 03:11 PM   #235 
           - The person choosing  saddemocrat   Jul-26-06 04:52 PM   #238 
  - I'm not the biggest fan of conventional medicine  brentspeak   Jul-26-06 12:51 PM   #229 
  - my husband  saddemocrat   Jul-26-06 01:08 PM   #231 
     - Mine too, and I agree with you.  knitter4democracy   Jul-27-06 03:50 PM   #269 
  - Many people in this thread are not  saddemocrat   Jul-26-06 04:55 PM   #239 
  - Absolutely they will.....but especially in the case of cancers  DemExpat   Jul-27-06 02:13 AM   #244 
     - The 16 year old  saddemocrat   Jul-27-06 09:08 AM   #246 
     - I am very happy for your success, saddemocrat  DemExpat   Jul-27-06 11:22 AM   #256 
     - Now, wait. Take a breath, and read the links.  knitter4democracy   Jul-27-06 04:01 PM   #270 
     - I agree  BuddhaGirl   Jul-27-06 09:37 AM   #248 
        - just curious  saddemocrat   Jul-27-06 09:51 AM   #250 
           - Big Pharma makes money by keeping people sick...not curing them!  NotGivingUp   Jul-27-06 10:09 AM   #251 
           - Riiiggghhhhttttt  Show_Me _The_Truth   Jul-27-06 10:19 AM   #253 
           - I'm assuming  saddemocrat   Jul-27-06 10:39 AM   #254 
           - You're wrong  saddemocrat   Jul-27-06 10:46 AM   #255 
           - I sense that you are belittling the suffering some experience through  DemExpat   Jul-27-06 11:56 AM   #257 
              - I sense that  saddemocrat   Jul-27-06 12:41 PM   #258 
                 - Yes, I am so happy that you chose this route.  DemExpat   Jul-27-06 12:55 PM   #259 
                    - Thanks  saddemocrat   Jul-27-06 02:59 PM   #266 
  - self-deleted  NotGivingUp   Jul-27-06 09:46 AM   #249 
  - I wonder who is paying for this treatment?  midnight   Jul-27-06 02:33 PM   #263 
  - And his upcoming burial.  mike923   Jul-27-06 02:44 PM   #264 
  - Interestingly  saddemocrat   Jul-27-06 02:58 PM   #265 
  - Freedom of Health  wheres_the_love   Jul-27-06 03:17 PM   #267 
  - hard situation to make an intellegent response to  eggbeater   Jul-27-06 04:35 PM   #272 
  - Good post  wheres_the_love   Jul-27-06 06:18 PM   #275 
     - Medical Outcomes aren't opinions  saddemocrat   Jul-27-06 06:42 PM   #276 
        - Make sure not to oversimplify the problem  wheres_the_love   Jul-27-06 07:22 PM   #279 
           - Well said, and welcome!  DemExpat   Jul-28-06 08:27 AM   #290 
           - I'm not sure what you mean  saddemocrat   Jul-28-06 09:10 AM   #291 
  - You MUST ingest our poisons for your cancer or we'll what? Kill you? n/t  RCinBrooklyn   Jul-28-06 09:21 AM   #293 
  - feel free to decline  saddemocrat   Jul-28-06 09:30 AM   #296 
  - Tyrell Duek dies...just one example  saddemocrat   Jul-28-06 09:22 AM   #294 
  - I was diagnosed with Hodgkin's...  Boomer   Jul-28-06 08:41 PM   #300 
  - It's great to see another survivor...  saddemocrat   Jul-28-06 11:53 PM   #302 
     - However,  humbled_opinion   Jul-29-06 12:03 AM   #303 
     - Where do we draw the line?  Boomer   Jul-29-06 07:52 AM   #304 
        - but  saddemocrat   Jul-29-06 11:04 AM   #308 
           - So, if someone in the government disagrees with your choice of care...  ace2u_in_MD   Jul-29-06 11:28 AM   #310 
              - again, this is concerning the life of a child.  ulysses   Jul-29-06 11:39 AM   #312 
                 - exactly!  saddemocrat   Jul-29-06 06:03 PM   #314 
  - another hodgkin's survivor here.  ulysses   Jul-29-06 08:33 AM   #306 
  - WOW  saddemocrat   Jul-29-06 11:05 AM   #309 
     - no problem!  ulysses   Jul-29-06 11:40 AM   #313 
  - I'm curious about the "chemo is a death sentence" idea.  MilesColtrane   Jul-29-06 11:33 AM   #311 
  - I don't know the death rate on it...  everythingsxen   Jul-31-06 11:10 PM   #316 
  - To put it simply, chemo is poison.  Kailassa   Aug-01-06 08:44 AM   #317 
  - " three months of chemotherapy last year made him nauseated and weak"  Contrary1   Aug-10-06 03:01 PM   #318 
 

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