| 205. I'm a registered democrat. |
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But I come from a long and proud line of lefties who were exiled from Chile in 1973. A place where "democratic party" is synonymous with "complicity with torture." That's a long way from the US and our democratic party, but look at Joe Lieberman and you start to wonder. You want to draw battle lines on the suggestion that I don't belong in this forum? Well, we probably both need to lighten up.
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| -Circumcision may stop millions of HIV deaths: study |
deadparrot |
Jul-10-06 11:49 PM |
#0 |
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How many would be infected by non-sterile operations? |
LeftyMom |
Jul-10-06 11:55 PM |
#1 |
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but it HAS panned out, hasn't it? |
pitohui |
Jul-11-06 12:04 AM |
#3 |
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We don't have a problem with men raping young girls as a "cure" |
LeftyMom |
Jul-11-06 12:14 AM |
#5 |
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sorry i don't believe 1/4 kenyan men are rapists |
pitohui |
Jul-11-06 06:34 PM |
#49 |
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It's a hygiene issue, nothing to do with the circumcision |
Viva_La_Revolution |
Jul-11-06 12:16 AM |
#6 |
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Hygiene? |
Jean Louise Finch |
Jul-11-06 03:27 AM |
#23 |
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It probably does |
Sgent |
Jul-12-06 03:51 AM |
#87 |
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Bathing in Urine? |
heliarc |
Jul-12-06 03:10 PM |
#107 |
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no need to be snippy, it's true |
Viva_La_Revolution |
Jul-12-06 07:14 PM |
#127 |
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Who said anything |
Sgent |
Jul-13-06 05:27 AM |
#165 |
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He didn't say to bath in URINE |
LostinVA |
Jul-13-06 07:14 AM |
#167 |
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Wow Democrats need to lighten up |
heliarc |
Jul-13-06 01:20 PM |
#182 |
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I am "lightened" up |
LostinVA |
Jul-13-06 01:42 PM |
#183 |
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I find that as a group we take things very literally... |
heliarc |
Jul-14-06 03:51 AM |
#204 |
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"Democrats need to lighten up"? |
janesez |
Jul-13-06 03:30 PM |
#185 |
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I'm a registered democrat. |
heliarc |
Jul-14-06 03:56 AM |
#205 |
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The foreskin is very sensitive... |
joshcryer |
Jul-12-06 06:42 PM |
#125 |
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I love this post. |
heliarc |
Jul-14-06 04:00 AM |
#206 |
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I have a feeling you're right. |
HuckleB |
Jul-12-06 02:16 PM |
#103 |
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Not "nothing" to do with circumcision... |
joshcryer |
Jul-12-06 06:41 PM |
#124 |
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WTF? Link, please? |
Common Sense Party |
Jul-11-06 01:31 AM |
#20 |
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The rate of divorce is 50% |
wicket |
Jul-11-06 08:01 AM |
#31 |
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I don't even believe the rate of divorce is 50%. Seems way too high. |
Common Sense Party |
Jul-11-06 04:24 PM |
#41 |
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so you believe personal anecdote rather than statistics? |
pitohui |
Jul-11-06 06:33 PM |
#48 |
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All of you need to do a little research apparently... |
teknomanzer |
Jul-11-06 06:57 PM |
#57 |
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according to this site, the answer is not that clear |
spooky3 |
Jul-12-06 08:14 AM |
#91 |
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The statistic actually is in dispute. |
pnwmom |
Jul-13-06 04:39 AM |
#158 |
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One of two marriages fail....Which means one out of two last for life |
happyslug |
Jul-12-06 12:53 AM |
#79 |
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Very interesting, and what I suspected. Thanks for info. nt |
Common Sense Party |
Jul-13-06 01:34 AM |
#146 |
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I think the rate of divorce is closer to 40%, much less for some |
Common Sense Party |
Jul-12-06 12:35 AM |
#77 |
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you never heard of the hite report? |
pitohui |
Jul-11-06 06:29 PM |
#47 |
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Sounds like bullshit to me. |
Common Sense Party |
Jul-11-06 07:57 PM |
#61 |
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I would say it's much, much lower than 50%. |
Common Sense Party |
Jul-12-06 12:41 AM |
#78 |
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Bullshit. All men cheat. I'm guessing 50% is way too low. nt |
janesez |
Jul-13-06 09:49 AM |
#173 |
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Bullshit to you too |
heliarc |
Jul-13-06 12:22 PM |
#177 |
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I am neither stupid nor bitter. |
janesez |
Jul-13-06 03:28 PM |
#184 |
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I'm familiar with the DU rules as well |
Umbram |
Jul-13-06 08:06 PM |
#197 |
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You began this with cursing... so don't harp on the rules. |
heliarc |
Jul-14-06 03:47 AM |
#203 |
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define 'cheat' |
maxsolomon |
Jul-13-06 05:46 PM |
#190 |
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On the contrary |
heliarc |
Jul-12-06 03:15 PM |
#108 |
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European, Australian and Asian men are uncut |
varun |
Jul-11-06 06:09 AM |
#24 |
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Don't mention that-- Makes too much sense! |
cprise |
Jul-11-06 08:02 AM |
#32 |
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Asia's HIV numbers are skyrocketting |
NickB79 |
Jul-11-06 02:07 PM |
#37 |
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ok i have heard that theory of the CCR5 gene as well |
pitohui |
Jul-11-06 06:36 PM |
#50 |
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Asians in US have the lowest HIV rates |
varun |
Jul-11-06 08:07 PM |
#63 |
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I specified Asians, not Asian-Americans |
NickB79 |
Jul-11-06 08:20 PM |
#65 |
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A very weak-to-nonexistant case |
cprise |
Jul-11-06 10:19 PM |
#75 |
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So do people with big dicks enjoy sex more than people with small ones? |
merwin |
Jul-12-06 07:48 PM |
#133 |
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quite the opposite |
varun |
Jul-13-06 08:14 AM |
#171 |
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But most new case of HIV in the US are Drug related (Dirty Needles). |
happyslug |
Jul-12-06 07:04 AM |
#89 |
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absolutely |
pitohui |
Jul-12-06 03:40 PM |
#110 |
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Do we have data comparing |
varun |
Jul-11-06 08:45 PM |
#70 |
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European and Australian men have access to clean water. |
joshcryer |
Jul-12-06 06:38 PM |
#123 |
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Monogamy is highly-regarded in Asia? |
redqueen |
Jul-13-06 04:55 PM |
#188 |
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The vast majority of the Chinese population lives no where near... |
joshcryer |
Jul-13-06 08:00 PM |
#196 |
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I was thinking more of Japan. n/t |
redqueen |
Jul-14-06 09:35 AM |
#207 |
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Hmmm |
Scairp |
Jul-13-06 02:21 AM |
#151 |
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anything that helps is a good idea. it's hard for the far-right to attack |
truthisfreedom |
Jul-11-06 12:02 AM |
#2 |
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I wouldn't put it past them n/t |
varkam |
Jul-11-06 12:14 AM |
#4 |
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Frankly |
laptoprepairguy |
Jul-11-06 10:42 PM |
#76 |
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It's a truly disgusting "study", and questionable at that |
silverojo |
Jul-11-06 12:19 AM |
#7 |
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oh goodness |
qazplm |
Jul-11-06 12:25 AM |
#8 |
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Male mutilation was started to stop the use of foreskin for mastubation |
joefree1 |
Jul-11-06 07:28 AM |
#28 |
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as the mother of 3 circumcised boys, yes it is mutilation |
Viva_La_Revolution |
Jul-12-06 02:30 AM |
#84 |
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LOL! n/t |
pnwmom |
Jul-13-06 05:11 AM |
#162 |
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just turned 20 |
Viva_La_Revolution |
Jul-13-06 07:24 AM |
#170 |
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That's wonderful. |
pnwmom |
Jul-13-06 12:48 PM |
#178 |
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This is from the World Health Organization |
NickB79 |
Jul-11-06 12:27 AM |
#9 |
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There seems to be an endless number of people who look at these |
merwin |
Jul-11-06 12:38 AM |
#13 |
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that's what i thought as well |
pitohui |
Jul-11-06 06:37 PM |
#51 |
| -
Will Google pass this search info along to Agent Smith? |
Nutmegger |
Jul-11-06 12:36 AM |
#11 |
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Your definition of propaganda: I don't like your conclusions |
robcon |
Jul-11-06 06:49 AM |
#26 |
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you are fighting a losing battle with these circ supporters. |
fleabert |
Jul-12-06 10:42 PM |
#144 |
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Parents do a lot of things to children without their consent. |
merwin |
Jul-13-06 03:23 AM |
#152 |
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i think we have gone round and round on this before. |
fleabert |
Jul-13-06 04:08 PM |
#186 |
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Nice selective caring :-) |
merwin |
Jul-13-06 05:54 PM |
#191 |
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did you click on the link? |
fleabert |
Jul-14-06 12:12 AM |
#202 |
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This is a new, long term, very large scale, controlled study, |
pnwmom |
Jul-13-06 04:51 AM |
#159 |
| -
"Dry Sex" compounds the problem... |
Bigmack |
Jul-11-06 12:34 AM |
#10 |
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dry sex |
shanti |
Jul-11-06 12:51 AM |
#16 |
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I don't see how it could be enjoyable by any stretch |
B3Nut |
Jul-11-06 02:04 PM |
#36 |
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I had no idea! |
Viva_La_Revolution |
Jul-12-06 02:52 AM |
#85 |
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Some Info |
queerart |
Jul-11-06 12:38 AM |
#12 |
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Very "Fair and balanced" website. |
merwin |
Jul-11-06 12:41 AM |
#14 |
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I'm Guessing Something Is Only Fair And Balanced....... |
queerart |
Jul-11-06 12:46 AM |
#15 |
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An informational website should be either non-biased, or clearly state |
merwin |
Jul-11-06 01:01 AM |
#17 |
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it IS non-biased -. there is NO good reason for Circumcision |
anotherdrew |
Jul-11-06 06:58 PM |
#58 |
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Good reason: circumcision reduces HIV exposure |
NickB79 |
Jul-11-06 08:09 PM |
#64 |
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Agreed! |
Megahurtz |
Jul-11-06 08:24 PM |
#66 |
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Actually, the medical reason for it is that in places where people do not |
merwin |
Jul-12-06 02:12 AM |
#83 |
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I can clean under my foreskin with a simple procedure not requiring water |
Cronus Protagonist |
Jul-12-06 01:37 PM |
#101 |
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Lots of men won't use condoms |
AngryAmish |
Jul-12-06 02:19 PM |
#105 |
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So your argument is cut them up so they don't have to remember condoms? |
Cronus Protagonist |
Jul-12-06 04:23 PM |
#114 |
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If you must know |
AngryAmish |
Jul-13-06 08:21 AM |
#172 |
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you dont even need spit |
varun |
Jul-12-06 03:05 PM |
#106 |
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Hahaha I know about that too, but didn't mention it |
Cronus Protagonist |
Jul-12-06 04:20 PM |
#113 |
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Like most sensation, it is 90% mental, 10% physical. |
merwin |
Jul-12-06 07:33 PM |
#128 |
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Have you gone a month without bathing in clean running water? |
joshcryer |
Jul-12-06 07:57 PM |
#135 |
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No, but I can spit every day of the month |
Cronus Protagonist |
Jul-12-06 08:11 PM |
#139 |
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You say you "can" but in practice you don't. |
joshcryer |
Jul-12-06 10:39 PM |
#142 |
| -
You don't have to believe me when I tell you my dick is always clean |
Cronus Protagonist |
Jul-13-06 01:57 AM |
#147 |
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I didn't say you didn't. |
joshcryer |
Jul-13-06 07:53 PM |
#193 |
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Saliva isn't even close to being sterile |
LostinVA |
Jul-13-06 07:15 AM |
#168 |
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They are NOT promoting circ OVER condoms. They're promoting BOTH |
pnwmom |
Jul-13-06 12:54 PM |
#180 |
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This research shows that condoms PLUS circumcisions is MORE effective |
pnwmom |
Jul-13-06 12:56 PM |
#181 |
| -
Hahaha you must work for Fox News, right? |
Cronus Protagonist |
Jul-12-06 01:29 PM |
#100 |
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The info on that site is outdated and doesn't take into account |
pnwmom |
Jul-11-06 01:12 AM |
#18 |
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The stats are interesting... |
MrPrax |
Jul-11-06 01:17 AM |
#19 |
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Let's see the RW take on that! |
applegrove |
Jul-11-06 02:36 AM |
#21 |
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Oh they would love it! |
Megahurtz |
Jul-11-06 08:29 PM |
#67 |
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If it is healthy..it is healthy. I'm wondering what the take on it being |
applegrove |
Jul-12-06 06:56 PM |
#126 |
| -
Oh, Not this Lie again! I heard that back in the 1950-60's... |
Up2Late |
Jul-11-06 02:45 AM |
#22 |
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Ask the World Health Organization.... |
Bridget Burke |
Jul-11-06 06:27 AM |
#25 |
| -
The resistance to science is amazing on this thread. |
robcon |
Jul-11-06 06:52 AM |
#27 |
| -
It's the standard reaction to data favoring circumcision |
DavidD |
Jul-11-06 07:45 AM |
#29 |
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I feel like I'm reading a Freeper thread about global warming |
Tyrone Slothrop |
Jul-11-06 01:44 PM |
#35 |
| -
I'm with you, Tyrone |
stanwyck |
Jul-12-06 12:27 PM |
#98 |
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Nail meet head.... |
rinsd |
Jul-12-06 05:56 PM |
#118 |
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Good point, Tyrone. The two major studies currently being conducted |
pnwmom |
Jul-13-06 12:50 PM |
#179 |
| -
True or not a condom will work even better. |
FreeState |
Jul-11-06 06:57 PM |
#56 |
| -
What does female circumcision have to do with male circumcision? |
NickB79 |
Jul-11-06 08:05 PM |
#62 |
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I'm sure that cutting off the penis (the equiv. of female circ) would stop |
merwin |
Jul-12-06 07:36 PM |
#129 |
| -
The research shows that circumcision adds protection that goes beyond |
pnwmom |
Jul-13-06 05:14 AM |
#163 |
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so what if the study is true? Who cares, Africa is not about to start this |
anotherdrew |
Jul-11-06 07:02 PM |
#59 |
| -
It already is catching on in Africa. |
pnwmom |
Jul-13-06 05:00 AM |
#160 |
| -
The Resistance to Science is Amazing |
RobinA |
Jul-12-06 02:11 PM |
#102 |
| -
This study is bogus |
cprise |
Jul-11-06 08:00 AM |
#30 |
| -
Gee, the science says otherwise. |
robcon |
Jul-11-06 12:12 PM |
#34 |
| -
Just because science shows this does not mean its the answer |
FreeState |
Jul-11-06 07:03 PM |
#60 |
| -
These studies don't sample men who live with circumcision normally |
cprise |
Jul-11-06 09:49 PM |
#71 |
| -
What is paternalistic about this? The impetus is coming from |
pnwmom |
Jul-13-06 05:17 AM |
#164 |
| -
Africans don't have the mutant CCR5 gene, perhaps? |
NickB79 |
Jul-11-06 02:10 PM |
#39 |
| -
Other studies have compared men who were circumcised at |
pnwmom |
Jul-13-06 05:08 AM |
#161 |
| -
I do not like circumcision, but I believe this is probably true. |
David__77 |
Jul-11-06 10:48 AM |
#33 |
| -
if * would get serious and spend our $$$ to fight aids |
unda cova brutha |
Jul-12-06 03:42 PM |
#111 |
| -
Hmmm... The Mutilation Solution. I though tatooing HIV+ers was bad enough. |
RCinBrooklyn |
Jul-11-06 02:09 PM |
#38 |
| -
Medicine & money would prevent AIDS deaths in Africa too |
downstairsparts |
Jul-11-06 04:22 PM |
#40 |
| -
I don't see what the medicine and money will achieve. |
robcon |
Jul-11-06 04:28 PM |
#42 |
| -
Has Europe had waves of mass circumcisions that I didn't read about? |
Toucano |
Jul-11-06 05:23 PM |
#44 |
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Don't show them STATISTICS |
cprise |
Jul-11-06 09:54 PM |
#72 |
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see my most post below, robcon |
pitohui |
Jul-11-06 06:49 PM |
#54 |
| -
The rich have no trouble extracting the wealth and resources from Africa |
downstairsparts |
Jul-12-06 01:53 AM |
#81 |
| -
The old white Pope in his red dress and slippers would agree with you |
downstairsparts |
Jul-12-06 01:57 AM |
#82 |
| -
the problem with medicine |
pitohui |
Jul-11-06 06:46 PM |
#52 |
| -
Getting medicine and money to the poor is somehow impossible, yet |
downstairsparts |
Jul-12-06 03:16 AM |
#86 |
| -
The scalpel only has to get there one time. |
drm604 |
Jul-12-06 09:00 AM |
#92 |
| -
I argue against imposing male circumsion on part of the world's population |
downstairsparts |
Jul-12-06 12:16 PM |
#97 |
| -
It's not a matter of whether or not I like the way you argue. |
drm604 |
Jul-12-06 12:46 PM |
#99 |
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While fighting back the maniacs armed with scalpels in this thread |
downstairsparts |
Jul-13-06 05:30 AM |
#166 |
| -
have you ever been to kenya or to any part of africa? |
pitohui |
Jul-12-06 03:34 PM |
#109 |
| -
thank you, pitohui |
Tansy_Gold |
Jul-12-06 05:09 PM |
#117 |
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i agree |
pitohui |
Jul-13-06 09:39 PM |
#199 |
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No I have not been to Kenya, but yes to other parts of Africa |
downstairsparts |
Jul-13-06 03:59 AM |
#156 |
| -
how is it butchery? |
pitohui |
Jul-13-06 09:46 PM |
#200 |
| -
A bit of clean water would probably be even more effective... |
joshcryer |
Jul-12-06 06:35 PM |
#122 |
| -
Of course it would be more effective |
downstairsparts |
Jul-13-06 04:05 AM |
#157 |
| -
Total mastectomies prevent breast cancer. |
Toucano |
Jul-11-06 04:53 PM |
#43 |
| -
Yeah, seriously this is a Crap Theory. |
Megahurtz |
Jul-11-06 08:39 PM |
#69 |
| -
Mastectomies and circumcision aren't the same things |
LostinVA |
Jul-12-06 09:41 AM |
#95 |
| -
Is it because circumcised men are socially different? More religious |
w4rma |
Jul-11-06 05:34 PM |
#45 |
| -
These are well controlled studies |
AngryAmish |
Jul-12-06 09:14 AM |
#93 |
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Actually... |
HuckleB |
Jul-12-06 02:19 PM |
#104 |
| -
What are these factors you speak of? |
merwin |
Jul-12-06 07:39 PM |
#130 |
| -
The overlooked word in this article is AFRICA - |
lynne |
Jul-11-06 06:28 PM |
#46 |
| -
If it didn't take cultural & religious practices into account, it's flawed |
politicat |
Jul-11-06 06:47 PM |
#53 |
| -
ok who want to wade into africa and start croping foreskins? |
anotherdrew |
Jul-11-06 06:53 PM |
#55 |
| -
The BlackMarket Body-Parts Dealers will jump |
Megahurtz |
Jul-11-06 08:36 PM |
#68 |
| -
Yet so true: |
cprise |
Jul-11-06 10:10 PM |
#73 |
| -
is that what is called a "false-positive"? |
judaspriestess |
Jul-11-06 10:17 PM |
#74 |
| -
Circumcision is just stupid. |
Clarkie1 |
Jul-12-06 01:16 AM |
#80 |
| -
Unless one is African and want to stop HIV |
AngryAmish |
Jul-12-06 09:15 AM |
#94 |
| -
No, it's still stupid. |
Clarkie1 |
Jul-13-06 05:29 PM |
#189 |
| -
Castration is even more effective |
kamtsa |
Jul-12-06 06:32 AM |
#88 |
| -
No it can not, no evidence that Castration stops someone from having sex |
happyslug |
Jul-12-06 07:13 AM |
#90 |
| -
Forget education! Forget condoms! Just chop your wee-wee! |
mainegreen |
Jul-12-06 10:57 AM |
#96 |
| -
Thanks for getting it. This is a moral issue, not a clinical one. |
Cronus Protagonist |
Jul-13-06 02:03 AM |
#150 |
| -
Any time I start thinking that progressives are inherently smarter |
depakid |
Jul-12-06 04:07 PM |
#112 |
| -
I agree, you did drop the collective intelligence of the thread a bit |
Cronus Protagonist |
Jul-12-06 04:28 PM |
#115 |
| -
Perhaps you should run some pub med searchs |
depakid |
Jul-12-06 04:50 PM |
#116 |
| -
There's a science of mutilation? |
Cronus Protagonist |
Jul-12-06 08:08 PM |
#137 |
| -
Emotionally loaded language |
depakid |
Jul-12-06 11:21 PM |
#145 |
| -
I'm an HIV educator. What's your qualification? |
Cronus Protagonist |
Jul-13-06 01:58 AM |
#148 |
| -
When the culture itself is against #2, #3, and #4, what are you left with? |
merwin |
Jul-13-06 03:28 AM |
#153 |
| -
Nice use of strawmen. |
joshcryer |
Jul-12-06 06:25 PM |
#120 |
| -
Thanks. I pride myself on them |
Cronus Protagonist |
Jul-12-06 07:56 PM |
#134 |
| -
Uh, how is circumcision comparable to having your nose removed? |
merwin |
Jul-12-06 07:43 PM |
#131 |
| -
The entire foreskin is cut off |
Cronus Protagonist |
Jul-12-06 07:58 PM |
#136 |
| -
Really? I always thought it was a part of the penis, not a body part in |
merwin |
Jul-13-06 03:29 AM |
#154 |
| -
It's not a full blown body part at all |
LostinVA |
Jul-13-06 07:22 AM |
#169 |
| -
To end all the bickering here, it's all about HYGINE. |
joshcryer |
Jul-12-06 06:23 PM |
#119 |
| -
Somehow, I don't think that will end bickering here :-) |
merwin |
Jul-13-06 03:30 AM |
#155 |
| -
Hey, everyone went fairly quiet. |
joshcryer |
Jul-13-06 07:57 PM |
#195 |
| -
Too many (for my taste) want to dismiss the science |
robcon |
Jul-12-06 06:31 PM |
#121 |
| -
What does 10 studies all concluding the same thing prove? |
merwin |
Jul-12-06 07:45 PM |
#132 |
| -
Now that's a strawman that puts my own to shame |
Cronus Protagonist |
Jul-12-06 08:10 PM |
#138 |
| -
Circumcision is an easy target for the sexually dysfunctional... |
Bridget Burke |
Jul-13-06 10:04 AM |
#174 |
| -
Somehow I just don't see the patriarchy joining together and deciding |
superconnected |
Jul-12-06 08:21 PM |
#140 |
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Aren't Judaism & Islam generally considered "Patriarchal"? |
Bridget Burke |
Jul-13-06 10:08 AM |
#175 |
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superconnected |
Jul-13-06 12:11 PM |
#176 |
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A LOT OF PROFESSIONAL CIRCUMCISER'S WILL BE NEEDED |
saigon68 |
Jul-12-06 08:28 PM |
#141 |
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How about teaching them? Several primitive societies do it. |
joshcryer |
Jul-12-06 10:40 PM |
#143 |
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Yeah, and maybe if we can teach them that, we can teach them to wash...
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Cronus Protagonist |
Jul-13-06 02:01 AM |
#149 |
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With what? Some mythical fresh running water? |
joshcryer |
Jul-13-06 07:54 PM |
#194 |
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You must already be surgically altered |
Cronus Protagonist |
Jul-13-06 08:10 PM |
#198 |
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education and healthcare will stop millions more |
IronLionZion |
Jul-13-06 04:43 PM |
#187 |
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This study is part of the Worldwide Jewish Conspiracy! |
regnaD kciN |
Jul-13-06 07:50 PM |
#192 |
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ok you made me giggle EOM |
pitohui |
Jul-13-06 09:49 PM |
#201 |
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