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fig Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 10:34 AM
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33. Excellent question, I'm glad you asked
I'm not a history buff, gay or otherwise, so I'm not a great person to respond but here is my attempt.

There was the stonewall uprising in New York, I think in the 60's, where police were regularly raiding and harrassing gay bar patrons with impunity. These patrons finally had enough and actually fought back against the raid. I believe there were many injuries and people were jailed. This was the beginning of the gay rights movement. A significant event in history and never discussed outside of gay circles.

There are people like Elenor Roosevelt whose extensive work in the women's rights movement is often cited without acknowledging her homosexuality which was probably a huge factor in her motivation to forge change for women.

There are innumerable creative people who's creativity came as a direct result of the injustices of discrimination and gay hatred. Their works are lauded without any mention of the struggles that shaped their work because nobody wants to acknowledge homosexuality.

Others can chime in with more accurate info and links but I hope this illuminates my point.
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  -(Schwarzenegger) would veto bill mandating inclusion of gays in textbooks Newsjock  May-25-06 08:29 PM   #0 
  - Oh good, der Gropenfuehrer's approval rate's about to take another hit!  KevinJ   May-25-06 08:40 PM   #1 
  - I'm skeptical that vetoing this bill is a bad idea for him politically  slackmaster   May-26-06 10:18 AM   #23 
  - Well, I don't care what his "moderate" platform says  Charlie Brown   May-25-06 08:42 PM   #2 
  - We don't need  gator_in_Ontario   May-25-06 09:42 PM   #3 
  - shameful.  rodeodance   May-25-06 09:44 PM   #4 
  - so how many Californians are going to contact Ahnuld over this  dwickham   May-25-06 10:19 PM   #5 
  - Another View  DiscussTheTruth   May-25-06 11:06 PM   #6 
  - Sexual orientation is equal to religion?  Bridget Burke   May-26-06 07:59 AM   #14 
  - This is a weird issue  TheFarseer   May-26-06 09:43 AM   #17 
     - Working towards civil rights studies would be wiser.  DiscussTheTruth   May-26-06 04:43 PM   #79 
     - If their being gay is an issue to their contribution, include it  marshall   May-27-06 01:06 PM   #92 
  - herr boobengroper panders to the right today  BareNakedLiberal   May-25-06 11:23 PM   #7 
  - This probably won't be popular, but...  hughee99   May-26-06 01:10 AM   #8 
  - Bingo Hughee  sutz12   May-26-06 02:00 AM   #9 
  - agree  Centered   May-26-06 05:08 AM   #10 
  - Do you feel the same about gender or race?  Misunderestimator   May-26-06 11:21 AM   #51 
     - please expound  shanti   May-26-06 02:55 PM   #61 
     - Are you implying that you really believe that homosexuality is only  Misunderestimator   May-26-06 03:13 PM   #63 
     - Being a homosexual has EVERYTHING  Centered   May-26-06 03:45 PM   #70 
        - Your disdain is duly noted.  Misunderestimator   May-26-06 03:50 PM   #72 
           - LOL  Centered   May-26-06 04:02 PM   #74 
              - Wow. You just don't get it.  Misunderestimator   May-26-06 04:09 PM   #75 
                 - We sort of agree  Centered   May-26-06 04:24 PM   #77 
  - It's a valid point  Pigwidgeon   May-26-06 07:18 AM   #13 
  - What about gay children? Is "gay" being a bad word ok for them too?  Misunderestimator   May-26-06 11:17 AM   #50 
  - You obviously have no clue about California's legislative process  slackmaster   May-26-06 10:10 AM   #20 
  - Because they were able to surmount oppression and hatred and bigotry  Misunderestimator   May-26-06 11:14 AM   #49 
  - So the obstacles that one must overcome,  hughee99   May-26-06 12:41 PM   #55 
  - The are of major importance to others who seek role models and  Misunderestimator   May-26-06 12:48 PM   #56 
     - I don't have a problems with highlighting them,  hughee99   May-26-06 02:47 PM   #60 
  - A fellow (or rather bloke, since he was English) came to mind reading that  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   May-27-06 12:46 PM   #90 
  - You are joking, aren't you?  ruggerson   May-26-06 04:53 PM   #80 
     - Do all classroom discussion mention a person's wife?  hughee99   May-26-06 05:56 PM   #86 
     - In my experience, they often do  ruggerson   May-26-06 06:11 PM   #89 
     - I agree about the double standard  marshall   May-27-06 01:19 PM   #93 
  - I'm not sure how I feel about this...  sugapablo   May-26-06 06:28 AM   #11 
  - In all fairness this is a dumb bill in some respects.  Zynx   May-26-06 06:58 AM   #12 
  - I remember learning that Alexander the Great was homosexual  slackmaster   May-26-06 10:17 AM   #22 
  - I don't see why it has to be brought up, though.  Zynx   May-26-06 10:23 AM   #25 
  - In Alexander's case I believe it was historically significant  slackmaster   May-26-06 10:27 AM   #28 
  - Be careful where you go with that.  Zynx   May-26-06 10:32 AM   #30 
     - Then the argument should lead to why his homosexuality led to what  Misunderestimator   May-26-06 10:46 AM   #39 
        - That is psychology, not history.  Zynx   May-26-06 10:59 AM   #41 
           - Just as there are more important issues to fight for politically...  Misunderestimator   May-26-06 11:01 AM   #43 
  - Why does the spouse of any historical figure  ruggerson   May-26-06 04:55 PM   #81 
  - I learned Julius Caesar was a switch-hitter  StopThePendulum   May-26-06 12:30 PM   #53 
     - Caligula too  slackmaster   May-26-06 01:20 PM   #58 
  - It's just as appropriate as studying it through a racial lense...  Misunderestimator   May-26-06 10:27 AM   #27 
     - Those are both issues with dramatic, tangible impacts on history.  Zynx   May-26-06 10:30 AM   #29 
        - Sexual orientation doesn't have the same sort of impact?  Misunderestimator   May-26-06 10:41 AM   #37 
           - Because sexual orientation does not drive history.  Zynx   May-26-06 10:54 AM   #40 
              - Why yes it does. Look at Stonewall, the holocaust...  Misunderestimator   May-26-06 10:59 AM   #42 
              - The Nazi extermination of homosexuals is talked about.  Zynx   May-26-06 11:06 AM   #46 
                 - But individual contributions from homosexuals are rarely discussed...  Misunderestimator   May-26-06 11:10 AM   #48 
                    - I need some help understanding your POV  slackmaster   May-26-06 03:28 PM   #66 
                       - I can name several contributions of homosexuals that are discussed...  Misunderestimator   May-26-06 03:41 PM   #68 
              - Ever heard of Harvey Milk?  libnnc   May-26-06 11:08 AM   #47 
  - Well look on the bright side; you're less likely to see this in your ...  noel adamson   May-26-06 08:41 AM   #15 
  - Steroids  sugapablo   May-26-06 09:14 AM   #16 
     - I was referring to the hypocrisy of his political opportunism and ...  noel adamson   May-26-06 10:09 AM   #19 
        - Huh?  sugapablo   May-26-06 10:23 AM   #24 
  - article is misleading  fig   May-26-06 10:08 AM   #18 
  - Nobody here mentioned "indoctrination"...  sugapablo   May-26-06 10:12 AM   #21 
  - I study a lot of history, far more than most, and I can't think of any...  Zynx   May-26-06 10:25 AM   #26 
  - As a gay man:  kgfnally   May-27-06 01:55 PM   #96 
  - Excellent question, I'm glad you asked  fig   May-26-06 10:34 AM   #33 
  - OK!  sugapablo   May-26-06 10:41 AM   #38 
  - It's likely that we don't know of many because it is a subject that is not  Misunderestimator   May-26-06 10:36 AM   #34 
  - Yes, well said!  fig   May-26-06 11:02 AM   #44 
  - Exactly.  Misunderestimator   May-26-06 11:06 AM   #45 
  - Actually, we learned about A LOT of gay people in school...  hughee99   May-26-06 11:33 AM   #52 
     - I'm not sure I follow  fig   May-26-06 01:06 PM   #57 
     - I have a few issues with this...  hughee99   May-26-06 02:20 PM   #59 
        - "Should we also learn about the first gay person in outer space?" Yes.  Misunderestimator   May-26-06 03:16 PM   #64 
        - Wait a minute...  hughee99   May-26-06 03:37 PM   #67 
           - The argument that you would have to remove material to discuss homosexuals  Misunderestimator   May-26-06 03:48 PM   #71 
              - Seriously  hughee99   May-26-06 04:01 PM   #73 
                 - Read post #44. I'm done here.  Misunderestimator   May-26-06 04:11 PM   #76 
                    - Good for you...  hughee99   May-26-06 04:27 PM   #78 
                       - And that is exactly what I'm talking about.  Misunderestimator   May-27-06 01:19 PM   #94 
        - This apparently applies to you as well as others here:  kgfnally   May-27-06 02:02 PM   #97 
     - So by that reasoning  ruggerson   May-26-06 05:00 PM   #82 
        - Frankly, if a person's SO has nothing to contribute  hughee99   May-26-06 05:25 PM   #84 
           - of course it has relevance  ruggerson   May-26-06 05:47 PM   #85 
              - In some cases it has relevance, in many others, it does not...  hughee99   May-26-06 06:05 PM   #87 
                 - well of course it's not relevant all the time  ruggerson   May-26-06 06:07 PM   #88 
  - See #90. -nt  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   May-27-06 12:52 PM   #91 
  - you can't compare  shanti   May-26-06 03:01 PM   #62 
     - What does hiding it have to do with anything? Does it make our lack  Misunderestimator   May-26-06 03:25 PM   #65 
     - I guess you never heard of "passing."...............  Kingshakabobo   May-26-06 05:01 PM   #83 
  - Mr. Orgy has no moral ground to stand on.  Rex   May-26-06 10:32 AM   #31 
  - *laughs*  sugapablo   May-26-06 10:39 AM   #36 
     - I know, I just love to point out the hypocrisy.  Rex   May-26-06 12:31 PM   #54 
  - of course , he only poses for gay magazines  zreosumgame   May-26-06 10:32 AM   #32 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-26-06 10:38 AM   #35 
  - I'm all in favor of keeping gays out of textbooks!  JackDragna   May-26-06 03:44 PM   #69 
  - My, this thread is full of examples of the fine art...  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   May-27-06 01:30 PM   #95 
  - That would include, for example, Michelangelo, Alexander the great,  fshrink   May-27-06 02:24 PM   #98 
     - although if you are teaching oscar wilde or tchaikovsky  cap   May-28-06 07:39 AM   #99 
        - Yep. One word actually defines the US at this time:  fshrink   May-28-06 08:56 AM   #100 

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