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chookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 01:36 AM
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25. A very minor point
My understanding (please see above) is that the SANE does not perform a tox test as part of the protocol -- it's not what they do, and this is not an indication of incompetence by the SANE.

The ED doctor -- who sees the patient before the SANE, is to deal with urgent medical conditions -- is the one who should assess whether a tox test is called for (again, see the posts above). Why the ED did not order a test, when presented with a highly chemically impaired patient reporting she had been raped, is one of the baffling facts of this case.

Consent to toxicology in a circumstance like this seems to be paramount, if the ED did not order tox tests based on symptoms before the SANE took over. Why the accuser did not consent to toxicological tests is a matter of conjecture. It's a pity, because the results would have corroborated or not the allegation that drugs were involved in the alleged assault. If she did not consent, the reason is a matter of investigation, particularly as not long ago she was involved in a rather dramatic auto theft, seeming to try to run over a police officer during a high speed chase etc, while highly intoxicated (it is reported by police that she passed out several times during their investigation.) Is it a reasonable conjecture that -- at least -- she has a history of lack of impulse control while highly intoxicated (1.9 level), which suggests a pattern of disfunctional behavior?

Again I say, pity the tox tests were not performed -- IMHO they would have provided clues as to the events of that night.

It's kinda weird that Nifong had us all waiting for the tox findings -- and now claims none are available for examination. What the heck really happened? Was he mistaken -- or possibly suppressing the outcome of the tests?

As to whether the case will proceed or not -- my assessment is that it will, not on the basis of available evidence, but because Nifong and the accuser are stuck in a mess of their own creation, which is "politically" supported, but not factually supported.

The case MAY be dropped if the accuser is advised -- by some pretty powerful legal artillery now at her disposal -- that she can do better pursuing this matter in a civil case. Big buckos may lie ahead for her and her attorney....
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  -Defense Attorneys Seek Toxicology Reports On Accuser In Duke Case FreakinDJ  May-22-06 09:00 PM   #0 
  - The accuser is looking for a civil attorney  ugarte   May-23-06 01:00 AM   #1 
  - got a link for that?  TorchTheWitch   May-23-06 03:27 AM   #3 
  - I think this link should work  FreakinDJ   May-23-06 01:16 PM   #9 
     - Not at all, but thanks anyway  TorchTheWitch   May-23-06 06:02 PM   #14 
        - ?  hoboken123   May-23-06 10:26 PM   #22 
           - I was being sarcastic  TorchTheWitch   May-24-06 08:35 AM   #29 
              - I'm still missing your point  hoboken123   May-24-06 10:28 AM   #39 
                 - Not to speak for Torchie, but  BrownOak   May-24-06 01:55 PM   #43 
                 - Only the defense requires skepticism?  hoboken123   May-24-06 03:00 PM   #44 
                    - Agreed, except  BrownOak   May-24-06 04:18 PM   #45 
                       - That's ok  TorchTheWitch   May-24-06 05:34 PM   #48 
                 - Did I say that?  TorchTheWitch   May-24-06 05:27 PM   #47 
  - Oh that will work  FreakinDJ   May-23-06 09:12 AM   #5 
  - Calling "Gloria Allred"..."Gloria Allred". No out-of-court "silence"  zann725   May-24-06 09:08 AM   #32 
  - Does ANYONE care about this case?  Placebo   May-23-06 01:09 AM   #2 
  - That's an odd question  TorchTheWitch   May-23-06 03:29 AM   #4 
  - It smells like another Tawana Brawley case  IndianaGreen   May-23-06 06:37 PM   #15 
     - Tawana Brawley  TorchTheWitch   May-24-06 08:42 AM   #30 
  - From the Evidence Turned Over Last Week  BrownOak   May-23-06 10:38 AM   #6 
  - Darn shame about the toxicology test  chookie   May-23-06 12:26 PM   #7 
  - Victim must AGREE to toxicology screening  FreakinDJ   May-23-06 01:10 PM   #8 
     - I think toxicology tests can be ordered by emergency room doc  onenote   May-23-06 01:25 PM   #10 
     - Only with victim's consent  FreakinDJ   May-23-06 01:38 PM   #11 
     - Here's what I found  chookie   May-23-06 01:40 PM   #12 
     - Yes I tried looking for North Carolina outline as well  FreakinDJ   May-23-06 01:53 PM   #13 
     - Not when you are looking for evidence of date rape drug  IndianaGreen   May-23-06 06:54 PM   #16 
  - Of course Nifong has a choice  TorchTheWitch   May-23-06 07:41 PM   #17 
     - Choices  BrownOak   May-23-06 08:47 PM   #18 
        - Yes, but...  Moosepoop   May-23-06 08:54 PM   #19 
        - Right, but how long does it take to run a tox report? n/t  BrownOak   May-23-06 10:49 PM   #23 
           - it's not an issue of DOING the test  TorchTheWitch   May-24-06 06:02 AM   #27 
              - At any other hospital, that would make sense, but...  jberryhill   May-24-06 08:54 AM   #31 
              - Not necessarily  TorchTheWitch   May-24-06 09:51 AM   #35 
                 - No Question?  jberryhill   May-24-06 11:33 AM   #41 
                    - Not always  TorchTheWitch   May-24-06 06:19 PM   #49 
                       - Filling in the blanks  jberryhill   May-24-06 08:08 PM   #52 
                          - I've said no such thing  TorchTheWitch   May-24-06 10:36 PM   #55 
                             - Okay fine..  jberryhill   May-25-06 01:13 PM   #64 
              - With all the attention on this case  BrownOak   May-24-06 09:11 AM   #33 
              - Not small at all  TorchTheWitch   May-24-06 10:11 AM   #37 
              - This is true  AngryAmish   May-24-06 10:15 AM   #38 
              - Ain't that the truth!  Tyrone Slothrop   May-24-06 04:36 PM   #46 
                 - But the difference is  BrownOak   May-25-06 09:41 AM   #59 
        - A very minor point  chookie   May-24-06 01:36 AM   #25 
        - Point taken... so let's get into that conjecture  BrownOak   May-24-06 09:22 AM   #34 
        - He said he turned over everything he HAS  TorchTheWitch   May-24-06 05:44 AM   #26 
           - Consent  BrownOak   May-24-06 09:58 AM   #36 
              - Why lie?  TorchTheWitch   May-24-06 10:54 AM   #40 
                 - But we've left the public arena and are now dealing with  BrownOak   May-24-06 11:43 AM   #42 
                    - that happens too  TorchTheWitch   May-24-06 06:52 PM   #50 
                       - Nice example, that really hit home... literally  BrownOak   May-25-06 09:59 AM   #60 
  - Now there's some good lawyering!  Moosepoop   May-23-06 10:15 PM   #20 
     - The Evidence of Innocence: Strong and Clear  IndianaGreen   May-23-06 10:26 PM   #21 
        - All that has what to do with my post?  Moosepoop   May-23-06 11:06 PM   #24 
        - Please do it before the thread gets locked...  jberryhill   May-24-06 08:21 PM   #54 
           - If this thread gets locked first,  Moosepoop   May-25-06 11:05 AM   #62 
              - Apparently...  jberryhill   May-25-06 01:15 PM   #65 
        - You've seen the documents?  TorchTheWitch   May-24-06 08:23 AM   #28 
           - Hey, Torch...  Moosepoop   May-24-06 07:23 PM   #51 
              - Not having trumpeted anything about that subject...  jberryhill   May-24-06 08:15 PM   #53 
              - To be clear  TorchTheWitch   May-24-06 11:19 PM   #57 
                 - To be even clearer  jberryhill   May-25-06 09:19 AM   #58 
                    - Right thought, wrong motion  BrownOak   May-25-06 10:19 AM   #61 
                    - who are you quoting?  TorchTheWitch   May-25-06 12:52 PM   #63 
              - Really  TorchTheWitch   May-24-06 11:07 PM   #56 

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