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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 01:46 AM
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89. I agree, especially in regards to Latin America...
They, along with China, are considered the "factory floor" for our consumer goods. I don't want them to be unemployed, I want them to take back control of their economies from foriegn companies, most from the United States.

You know, I wouldn't care so much about if items said "Made in China" or "Made in Mexico" if the factories in question were Chinese or Mexican owned, in countries that were Democratic, with Union labor, and strong protections for human and worker rights. Right now the idea that China will reform in this manner is nil to none, and to be honest, we have little influence over their domestic policies. However, Latin America seems to be forging its own destiny, a new economic model, a combination of capitalism and socialism, but with a strong streak towards the socialist end, with trade policies that favor the worker over the corporation, and co-ops being preeminent. We may be late in the game, but woe to us if we don't even bother to try the same thing, after all, how can we compete in the future if we don't try what works?
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  -Chavez may price oil exports in euros muriel_volestrangler  May-16-06 06:36 PM   #0 
  - Gee, what a difference a day (and lack of diplomacy) makes! aye?  ShortnFiery   May-16-06 06:38 PM   #1 
  - On his resume under SKILLS front and center is  XemaSab   May-16-06 06:38 PM   #2 
  - Chavez prods Bush at least once a day, doesn't he?  bigworld   May-16-06 06:42 PM   #4 
     - Yes, Chavez has an electric cattle prod  cliss   May-16-06 07:47 PM   #25 
     - Too Bad Bush Has No Nervous System There! n/t  Demeter   May-16-06 08:10 PM   #35 
     - The first one was directed at Bush personally  XemaSab   May-17-06 12:49 AM   #83 
        - If he can't walk and chew gum  saigon68   May-17-06 01:56 AM   #91 
  - Ah, welcome to the Axis!  Drum   May-16-06 06:42 PM   #3 
  - Well, I guess that seals it, time to start the invasion talk.  Up2Late   May-16-06 06:43 PM   #5 
  - Yes. Hope Chavez is ready.  Robbien   May-16-06 06:46 PM   #8 
  - I must admit,some days I think about wanting to have  Endangered Specie   May-16-06 06:44 PM   #6 
  - You just reminded me that I do have a small collection of world currency..  Up2Late   May-16-06 08:00 PM   #30 
  - This is VERY bad he would even talk like that - very bad.  Joe for Clark   May-16-06 06:46 PM   #7 
  - The US imposed sanctions. I think he's justified.  katinmn   May-16-06 06:48 PM   #10 
  - Bingo. The NeoCons thought they were going to intimidate him.  Media_Lies_Daily   May-16-06 06:50 PM   #11 
  - No he is not!!!  Joe for Clark   May-16-06 07:07 PM   #17 
     - Sorry, you have the wrong asshole.  KAZ   May-16-06 07:12 PM   #18 
     - Tell it to Bush. Chavez has helped Americans where our own govt  katinmn   May-16-06 07:17 PM   #19 
     - I should have kept my own problems private - about my kid.  Joe for Clark   May-16-06 07:37 PM   #23 
     - Please explain: "...those people took our wells."  katinmn   May-16-06 07:42 PM   #24 
     - Sure -  Joe for Clark   May-16-06 08:00 PM   #31 
        - Complete horseshit.  KAZ   May-16-06 08:04 PM   #33 
           - Then why weren't they?  nick303   May-16-06 08:13 PM   #37 
           - Because drilling rights were already bestowed.  KAZ   May-16-06 08:17 PM   #38 
              - Why weren't they used before the tin pot?  nick303   May-16-06 08:18 PM   #39 
                 - Nick, my friend, explaining the ways...  KAZ   May-16-06 08:26 PM   #41 
                    - I said "before"  nick303   May-16-06 08:30 PM   #42 
                       - Now we're going to have a straight thread...  KAZ   May-16-06 08:38 PM   #45 
           - You have no idea what you are talking about.  Joe for Clark   May-16-06 08:32 PM   #43 
              - BS in Comp Sci. Working on a MAFM.  KAZ   May-16-06 08:45 PM   #48 
                 - SO you clearly do not..  Joe for Clark   May-16-06 09:03 PM   #52 
                    - OK Joe. I'll take your word for it that you know...  KAZ   May-16-06 09:32 PM   #57 
                       - I really don't want to lecture anyone -  Joe for Clark   May-16-06 09:41 PM   #59 
     - Our wells?  KAZ   May-16-06 08:01 PM   #32 
     - Yes they were our wells.  Joe for Clark   May-16-06 08:19 PM   #40 
        - Foreign entities now own much of our banking assets, farmland, ports,  katinmn   May-16-06 08:39 PM   #46 
        - Yes, they could. They really do own our ass.  Joe for Clark   May-16-06 08:45 PM   #47 
        - So, if W sold off drilling rights to say, hmm....  KAZ   May-16-06 08:50 PM   #49 
        - unfortunately, our oil and our wells were in THEIR country.  QuestionAll   May-16-06 09:19 PM   #53 
        - Nationalizing wells guarantees a pullout of capital.  Joe for Clark   May-17-06 12:37 AM   #78 
        - But is that absolute?  Solon   May-17-06 01:01 AM   #84 
        - To add one detail to your remarks, I'd like to say that when legitimate  Judi Lynn   May-17-06 01:49 AM   #90 
        - "...but you don't steal."  QuestionAll   May-17-06 07:21 AM   #97 
        - you don't buy stolen property, either...  QuestionAll   May-17-06 11:35 AM   #101 
        - thanks to you for making this point so well  anoraksia53   May-17-06 12:38 AM   #79 
        - Governments have the unmitigated power to TAKE away property from...  Solon   May-16-06 09:48 PM   #61 
     - That is the dumbest thing I ever heard...  Solon   May-16-06 09:46 PM   #60 
     - OK -  Joe for Clark   May-16-06 11:25 PM   #65 
        - OK, a couple of things...  Solon   May-16-06 11:37 PM   #66 
           - It is like this -  Joe for Clark   May-16-06 11:48 PM   #67 
           - If leaving the rug underneath the feet of the corporations exploiting  1932   May-16-06 11:56 PM   #69 
           - Who do you think pays for this "risk of doing business"  Joe for Clark   May-17-06 12:09 AM   #72 
              - I benefit when businesses compate fairly and fail when they're not  1932   May-17-06 12:14 AM   #73 
              - We pay, but only because our policies in regards to corporate...  Solon   May-17-06 12:20 AM   #74 
           - Unlike you...  Solon   May-17-06 12:05 AM   #71 
              - Don't tell me you lived on the streets in Sao Paulo.  Joe for Clark   May-17-06 12:24 AM   #75 
                 - A title is a contract, understood?  Solon   May-17-06 12:38 AM   #80 
           - We all do better when we all do better, and that's across borders too.  1932   May-16-06 11:49 PM   #68 
              - I agree, especially in regards to Latin America...  Solon   May-17-06 01:46 AM   #89 
     - NO HE IS NOT like W  ProudDad   May-17-06 01:28 AM   #87 
     - You give too much credit to Bush*  Bandit   May-17-06 10:50 AM   #100 
     - Why stop short, nationalize the oil industry. It's too importaint...  ToeBot   May-16-06 07:58 PM   #29 
     - I agree. But knowing the mindset of the country  katinmn   May-16-06 09:35 PM   #58 
     - Explain the problems with nationalizing essential  pokercat999   May-17-06 05:46 AM   #94 
     - Yes he is justified  atreides1   May-16-06 09:02 PM   #51 
     - Fact is Joe, it's Venezuela's oil and they have a right to price it in  leesa   May-16-06 09:25 PM   #54 
     - Yes, I guess I do.  Joe for Clark   May-16-06 11:59 PM   #70 
        - First, our deficit is weakening the dollar more than what Chavez did...  Solon   May-17-06 12:25 AM   #76 
        - I don't blame him for looking out for his interest.  Joe for Clark   May-17-06 12:29 AM   #77 
           - What don't you trust him with?  Solon   May-17-06 12:47 AM   #82 
        - America has manipulated, bullied and stolen world-wide  Kailassa   May-17-06 07:25 AM   #98 
     - You only touch the tip of the iceberg.  David__77   May-17-06 10:33 AM   #99 
  - I talk like that all the time  IndianaGreen   May-16-06 08:07 PM   #34 
  - Iran  enid602   May-16-06 06:46 PM   #9 
  - problem, there may not be enough euros to handle that volume of business  anotherdrew   May-16-06 07:02 PM   #14 
  - There's certainly enough euros for a lot of oil to be traded in it  muriel_volestrangler   May-16-06 07:55 PM   #28 
  - They could do what the U.S. has been doing for years  ProudDad   May-17-06 01:32 AM   #88 
  - Are you listening international community?  katinmn   May-16-06 07:03 PM   #15 
     - That's exactly it.  cliss   May-16-06 07:51 PM   #27 
  - Thank Our Great Diplomat, Bush  stepnw1f   May-16-06 06:56 PM   #12 
  - I want to take all their billions and redistribute it.  katinmn   May-16-06 07:04 PM   #16 
     - I'd drop Her off in Afghanaistan  stepnw1f   May-16-06 07:20 PM   #20 
  - with the dollar loosing so much value, oil prices must rise  anotherdrew   May-16-06 06:56 PM   #13 
  - What is stopping him?  Jayhawk Lib   May-16-06 07:22 PM   #21 
  - This is why i think we went into Iraq.  RufusEarl   May-16-06 07:23 PM   #22 
  - Sadam didn't Plan, he DID  Paulie   May-16-06 07:47 PM   #26 
  - They never forget to throw in a smear, do they?  PSPS   May-16-06 08:12 PM   #36 
  - I doubt they are capable of writing one clean article without the  Judi Lynn   May-16-06 08:35 PM   #44 
     - Yes, it's amazing isn't it?  cliss   May-16-06 08:59 PM   #50 
  - You GO, Hugo!  QuestionAll   May-16-06 09:26 PM   #55 
  - Hugo vs. Smirk in the PR battle  TOJ   May-16-06 09:29 PM   #56 
  - maybe the neocons are massivley,massively short the dollar  natrat   May-16-06 10:33 PM   #62 
  - Historically, selfish right-wingers make money off the swings  1932   May-16-06 11:13 PM   #63 
  - The reason the dollar is sinking!!!  lovuian   May-16-06 11:15 PM   #64 
  - the price of BUSH BULLYING  HuffleClaw   May-17-06 12:47 AM   #81 
  - I won't cheer on a possible collapse of our currency  Mojorabbit   May-17-06 01:15 AM   #85 
  - Just a reminder:  killbotfactory   May-17-06 01:19 AM   #86 
  - Thanks for pointing that out. There was NO saber rattling, and NO  Judi Lynn   May-17-06 02:09 AM   #92 
     - Well said, Judi Lynn.  Ghost Dog   May-17-06 05:37 AM   #93 
        - truely pathetic--cant even get a coup right  natrat   May-17-06 12:05 PM   #103 
  - For Joe for Clark, Your Logic on This Thread Is The Root Cause for Terror  Yavin4   May-17-06 07:10 AM   #95 
  - Yep! Read "Confessions of an Economic Hitman"  Paulie   May-17-06 11:52 AM   #102 
  - We'll be hearing Warm Fuzzies from Cheney any moment now..  paparush   May-17-06 07:12 AM   #96 

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