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Tue Nov-18-03 06:28 PM
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| 117. There is currently a lawsuit being tried..... |
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in St. Louis over Carnahan's crash. The family is suing because they say that the mechanical failure that caused the crash was known about by the manufacturer but not corrected. (Apparently there was a recall on this particular part but either they weren't notified or it was before they bought the plane)
It's hard to put this one in the conspiracy category with this much scrutiny into the cause.
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| -NTSB: Wellstone crash result of pilot error |
southpaw72 |
Nov-18-03 01:07 PM |
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Pilot error brought on by pilots being drugged? |
tom_paine |
Nov-18-03 01:11 PM |
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moral of the story: Dems, stay out of small planes. period. |
truthisfreedom |
Nov-18-03 01:12 PM |
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Pilots make errors |
TrogL |
Nov-18-03 01:13 PM |
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Yep, but a the second Democratic Senator being dead |
tom_paine |
Nov-18-03 01:19 PM |
#10 |
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He is the only Democratic Senator who has died in a plane crash recently |
Freddie Stubbs |
Nov-18-03 01:26 PM |
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Huh? |
Wednesdays |
Nov-18-03 01:30 PM |
#14 |
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Sure. No Democratic Senators died than. |
Freddie Stubbs |
Nov-18-03 01:34 PM |
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Sorry, you are wrong. Mel Carnahan died on October 16, 2000. |
Zhade |
Nov-18-03 01:42 PM |
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He was not a Senator. He was a Governor. |
Freddie Stubbs |
Nov-18-03 01:51 PM |
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Yes. I edited my post a few minutes before you "corrected" me. |
Zhade |
Nov-18-03 02:11 PM |
#25 |
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Ashcroft was narrowly leading before that crash |
Freddie Stubbs |
Nov-18-03 02:38 PM |
#34 |
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Oh, but they got Wellstone's wife this time around |
tom_paine |
Nov-18-03 02:47 PM |
#40 |
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Both had children that use their father's last name |
Freddie Stubbs |
Nov-18-03 03:20 PM |
#52 |
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Your logic is flawed. |
JailBush |
Nov-18-03 02:47 PM |
#39 |
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You're both full of it |
TrogL |
Nov-18-03 03:27 PM |
#61 |
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How did Republicans control the election process in MN? |
Freddie Stubbs |
Nov-18-03 03:55 PM |
#85 |
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"How did Republicans control the election process in MN?" |
JailBush |
Nov-18-03 04:05 PM |
#91 |
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There is currently a lawsuit being tried..... |
SaidFred |
Nov-18-03 06:28 PM |
#117 |
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Mell Carnahan ring a bell? |
Code_Name_D |
Nov-18-03 02:16 PM |
#27 |
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He was not a Senator |
Freddie Stubbs |
Nov-18-03 02:44 PM |
#37 |
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Why bother? |
TrogL |
Nov-18-03 01:38 PM |
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I had a pilot friend killed in a "pilot error" crash.... |
SaidFred |
Nov-18-03 06:35 PM |
#118 |
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I have had at least 4 pilot friends die by their own errors in 40 years. |
karlschneider |
Nov-18-03 09:36 PM |
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I lost as friend as well |
TrogL |
Nov-18-03 10:08 PM |
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BULLSHIT! |
liberalhistorian |
Nov-18-03 01:11 PM |
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You'll never believe it? |
Character Assassin |
Nov-18-03 01:57 PM |
#23 |
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You mean you don't trust authority? |
info being |
Nov-18-03 02:23 PM |
#30 |
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I'm with you |
knowledgeispower |
Nov-18-03 04:21 PM |
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As I predicted. I don't -like- pilot error, being a professional pilot bu |
karlschneider |
Nov-18-03 01:12 PM |
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The report discounts ice |
pa28 |
Nov-18-03 03:35 PM |
#69 |
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Another thread on this.... |
realFedUp |
Nov-18-03 01:12 PM |
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Has the NTSB |
Minstrel Boy |
Nov-18-03 01:15 PM |
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Yes. Many times. n/t |
karlschneider |
Nov-18-03 01:18 PM |
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Have they ever found the sabotage to be committed by Amerikans? |
tom_paine |
Nov-18-03 01:20 PM |
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Here is one. There are several on the NTSB server |
karlschneider |
Nov-18-03 01:51 PM |
#21 |
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Can't argue with that. |
tom_paine |
Nov-18-03 02:49 PM |
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BP: Reichstag Fire Caused by Oily Rags |
Scott Lee |
Nov-18-03 01:18 PM |
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LOL! |
liberalhistorian |
Nov-18-03 01:19 PM |
#11 |
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Sorry |
slack |
Nov-18-03 01:49 PM |
#18 |
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elucidate |
TrogL |
Nov-18-03 01:50 PM |
#19 |
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I think BushCo killed him |
slack |
Nov-18-03 10:25 PM |
#138 |
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refresh my memory... |
GloriaSmith |
Nov-18-03 01:56 PM |
#22 |
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First I've heard of missing files |
TrogL |
Nov-18-03 02:04 PM |
#24 |
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Don't forget Senator Kennedy was supposed to be on the plane too |
knowledgeispower |
Nov-18-03 04:24 PM |
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I'm not sure that is correct.... |
higher class |
Nov-18-03 07:58 PM |
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I don't know how precise my details are, but I know this |
dflprincess |
Nov-18-03 08:12 PM |
#125 |
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Here come the conspiracy theorists.... |
Abaques |
Nov-18-03 02:14 PM |
#26 |
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That's what a lot of people say about coincidence theorists, too. |
Zhade |
Nov-18-03 02:18 PM |
#28 |
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The whole "coincidence theorist" crap is just like... |
Abaques |
Nov-18-03 02:31 PM |
#31 |
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Good conspiracy theory is based on LOGIC. |
JailBush |
Nov-18-03 02:55 PM |
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You need help.... |
Abaques |
Nov-18-03 03:11 PM |
#47 |
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Are you a creationist? |
JailBush |
Nov-18-03 03:17 PM |
#51 |
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Slow down, slow down |
TrogL |
Nov-18-03 03:25 PM |
#57 |
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Published Evidence? |
JailBush |
Nov-18-03 03:34 PM |
#67 |
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Show me the photographs of the WMD's |
TrogL |
Nov-18-03 03:37 PM |
#72 |
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This has turned productive... |
Abaques |
Nov-18-03 03:27 PM |
#59 |
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Another fine propaganda technique. |
JailBush |
Nov-18-03 03:36 PM |
#71 |
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So if you don't trust the media and you don't trust the NTSB... |
TrogL |
Nov-18-03 03:40 PM |
#75 |
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Sheez |
JailBush |
Nov-18-03 03:47 PM |
#80 |
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My argument follows inductive reasoning |
TrogL |
Nov-18-03 03:55 PM |
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Another Propaganda Technique |
JailBush |
Nov-18-03 04:06 PM |
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Recap - my argument |
TrogL |
Nov-18-03 04:40 PM |
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Facts versus Corporate Government/Media Claims |
JailBush |
Nov-18-03 04:49 PM |
#107 |
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So the plane crashed because.... |
TrogL |
Nov-18-03 05:02 PM |
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The NTSB is the most apolitical entity in the whole government. |
karlschneider |
Nov-18-03 04:30 PM |
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"No one will ever convince me" |
TrogL |
Nov-18-03 04:42 PM |
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Yeah, I guess I am! And nobody will ever convince me the earth |
karlschneider |
Nov-18-03 06:45 PM |
#119 |
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So we're left with.. |
TrogL |
Nov-18-03 05:51 PM |
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he's been watching too much Hannity or whoever! |
meisje |
Nov-18-03 04:22 PM |
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By the way, it's Occam's Razor.. |
smirkymonkey |
Nov-18-03 04:03 PM |
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Very nice Occam's razor site |
TrogL |
Nov-18-03 04:19 PM |
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actually it's Ockham's Razor |
foo_bar |
Nov-18-03 04:50 PM |
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Yes, it was named for William of Ockham, |
smirkymonkey |
Nov-19-03 04:18 PM |
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Hey, I agree with you here. |
Zhade |
Nov-18-03 06:48 PM |
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I am in complete agreement with you there friend.... |
Abaques |
Nov-18-03 11:03 PM |
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here we go again... |
Minstrel Boy |
Nov-18-03 02:36 PM |
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Yup, that thread was indeed... |
Abaques |
Nov-18-03 03:23 PM |
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a little research yourself, if you please |
Minstrel Boy |
Nov-18-03 03:27 PM |
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There's no point in re-arguing it |
TrogL |
Nov-18-03 03:34 PM |
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I think we can agree |
Minstrel Boy |
Nov-18-03 03:43 PM |
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Were you one of the many who immediately said that the |
higher class |
Nov-18-03 08:55 PM |
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Yep |
TrogL |
Nov-18-03 09:13 PM |
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Yeah, flying with Wellstone and almost having Kennedy board the plane |
markus |
Nov-18-03 02:20 PM |
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No, it's not plausible |
Myra |
Nov-18-03 02:45 PM |
#38 |
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Perhaps Gephardt had him killed |
Freddie Stubbs |
Nov-18-03 03:26 PM |
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Yes, his legacy and acts of heroism will stay with me to death... |
higher class |
Nov-18-03 09:00 PM |
#131 |
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Were they going to let Kennedy drive? |
demdave |
Nov-18-03 02:48 PM |
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What the hell does that mean? |
Myra |
Nov-18-03 03:16 PM |
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What did someone sabotage the steering on his car |
demdave |
Nov-18-03 03:28 PM |
#62 |
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"What did someone sabotage the steering on his car" |
Myra |
Nov-19-03 05:45 PM |
#156 |
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And where was the co-pilot during all this? |
knowledgeispower |
Nov-18-03 04:29 PM |
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I can see you are not a pilot. |
karlschneider |
Nov-18-03 04:34 PM |
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One person flies at a time |
TrogL |
Nov-18-03 05:07 PM |
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You're exactly right and reminded me of a long ago time, I was flying |
karlschneider |
Nov-18-03 06:59 PM |
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Meme me up, Scotty..... |
unidentifiedbassplayer |
Nov-18-03 02:35 PM |
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Face it, there was no evidence of anything other than a crash |
jobycom |
Nov-18-03 02:38 PM |
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How dare you!!!!!!!!!! |
meisje |
Nov-18-03 02:50 PM |
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FBI having control of the crash scene for 8 hours could fit your scenario. |
Zhade |
Nov-19-03 03:10 AM |
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What would you rather do if you were a "conspirator?" |
jobycom |
Nov-19-03 08:16 AM |
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Interesting thought |
dflprincess |
Nov-19-03 03:33 PM |
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Co-pilot's last words to his mother |
jobycom |
Nov-19-03 08:24 PM |
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I'll NEVER accept that verdict! |
JailBush |
Nov-18-03 02:40 PM |
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I'm sorry that you are deluding yourself.... |
Abaques |
Nov-18-03 03:03 PM |
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The articles I read talked about a very hard impact and an intense fire. |
JailBush |
Nov-18-03 03:11 PM |
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Hmmmm. the burglary tools were kind of a giveaway |
TrogL |
Nov-18-03 03:21 PM |
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I saw the plane too. |
Must_B_Free |
Nov-19-03 04:26 AM |
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I saw the plane too. |
Must_B_Free |
Nov-19-03 04:26 AM |
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It wasn't even necessary to read your post |
TrogL |
Nov-18-03 03:08 PM |
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Now that I've read it |
TrogL |
Nov-18-03 03:16 PM |
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Republican Operative or Goofy Liberal? |
JailBush |
Nov-18-03 03:23 PM |
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Oh, now that's interesting. |
TrogL |
Nov-18-03 03:31 PM |
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ooh, can I answer that? |
Minstrel Boy |
Nov-18-03 03:33 PM |
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Who? |
TrogL |
Nov-18-03 03:34 PM |
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You're a card-carrying Canadian Liberal |
Minstrel Boy |
Nov-18-03 03:39 PM |
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Yep, we've probably got a few wackos |
TrogL |
Nov-18-03 03:43 PM |
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true, but you'll note |
Minstrel Boy |
Nov-18-03 03:46 PM |
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Oops, didn't see that |
TrogL |
Nov-18-03 03:52 PM |
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Republican operatives mess with liberals' minds. Goofy liberals' |
JailBush |
Nov-18-03 03:40 PM |
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"Goofy liberal"? "aren't playing with a full deck"? |
TrogL |
Nov-18-03 04:16 PM |
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I see you're employing more strategies from your cheatsheet. |
JailBush |
Nov-18-03 04:31 PM |
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This is getting recursive |
TrogL |
Nov-18-03 04:58 PM |
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You aren't aware of corporate corruption? |
JailBush |
Nov-18-03 08:43 PM |
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Corporations have always had a relationship with government |
TrogL |
Nov-18-03 09:22 PM |
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If you don't think your opponents are capable of murder, |
Minstrel Boy |
Nov-18-03 03:20 PM |
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AMEN! |
JailBush |
Nov-18-03 03:31 PM |
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You're changing the topic |
TrogL |
Nov-18-03 03:36 PM |
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I'M changing the topic? |
JailBush |
Nov-18-03 03:42 PM |
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The original topic was... |
TrogL |
Nov-18-03 03:51 PM |
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I see. |
JailBush |
Nov-18-03 03:54 PM |
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You have to follow the thread of conversation |
TrogL |
Nov-18-03 03:56 PM |
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Whatever your original point was, |
JailBush |
Nov-18-03 04:02 PM |
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OK, identify them |
TrogL |
Nov-18-03 05:10 PM |
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Who was the guy from Alaska? |
JailBush |
Nov-18-03 08:46 PM |
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What amazes me is the ferocity with which people who claim to be |
JailBush |
Nov-18-03 08:54 PM |
#129 |
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This is your attempt at rational discourse? |
TrogL |
Nov-18-03 10:02 PM |
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Humor him Jail... |
smirkymonkey |
Nov-19-03 04:38 PM |
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The Alaska thing |
TrogL |
Nov-18-03 09:30 PM |
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I'm sorry, but that is just Chimpshit! |
smirkymonkey |
Nov-18-03 03:56 PM |
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Some have argued that the extraordinary similarity between the |
JailBush |
Nov-18-03 04:13 PM |
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The freepers are getting in on the act |
TrogL |
Nov-18-03 03:59 PM |
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The Logical Fallacies cheatsheet |
TrogL |
Nov-18-03 04:17 PM |
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Thanks for sharing your cheatsheet with us. |
JailBush |
Nov-18-03 04:21 PM |
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what logic? |
foo_bar |
Nov-18-03 05:10 PM |
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Extremely well put foo_bar! |
Abaques |
Nov-18-03 05:13 PM |
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Bravo |
TrogL |
Nov-18-03 05:24 PM |
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Huh? |
JailBush |
Nov-18-03 08:36 PM |
#126 |
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circular arguments never die |
foo_bar |
Nov-18-03 10:49 PM |
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What I think |
jiacinto |
Nov-18-03 06:53 PM |
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The amount of skepticism this report was greeted with |
dflprincess |
Nov-18-03 06:56 PM |
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Yeah there were witnesses for a day |
DemonFighterLives |
Nov-18-03 10:44 PM |
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NTSB = COVER UP ARTISTS! |
CaptainMidnight |
Nov-18-03 11:10 PM |
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The NTSB is untainted by partisan politics. It is my sad duty to inform |
karlschneider |
Nov-18-03 11:22 PM |
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it's "moron" |
CaptainMidnight |
Nov-19-03 12:03 AM |
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I recall Carl Sagan on " Cosmos" discussing the clouds on Venus. |
tlb |
Nov-19-03 03:12 AM |
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This is a Jessica Lynch story |
Must_B_Free |
Nov-19-03 04:32 AM |
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Scientific method at its best |
TrogL |
Nov-19-03 09:16 AM |
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Good thread remains at Salon Table Talk |
Romberry |
Nov-19-03 04:40 AM |
#149 |
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Where's Stick Dog? |
crissy71 |
Nov-19-03 04:18 PM |
#154 |
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