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71. I see no evidence that he is anti choice.

"U.S. District Judge Donald Middlebrooks ruled that the city didn't prove the existence of problems that it said the law addressed: restricted patient access and a threat to public safety. Even if it had, the law is too strict, he ruled.

"Freedom of speech is rarely an issue when everyone agrees," Middlebrooks wrote. "Perhaps more than at any other place and any other time, in cases such as this, speech guaranteed by the First Amendment must be protected."

Middlebrooks ruled that the city probably would lose its case at trial, so the law cannot remain in effect until a trial takes place.

A related law prohibiting "unnecessary noise" and "amplified sound" within 100 feet of such facilities can be enforced, although Middlebrooks wrote that he found that ordinance flawed.

If he was just some fundaloon with an axe to grind why didn't he strike down enforcement of the noise law too?

By the way the same article goes on to point out that these massive harrassing disruptive verbal violence inflicting protests that should not be considered speech generally consisted of a grand total of three women.

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  -Judge overturns West Palm's clinic buffer law (abortion protestors) The Straight Story  Apr-18-06 12:18 PM   #0 
  - I'll take the unpopular position and agree with the judge.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 12:20 PM   #1 
  - So give 'em a 'free speech zone' ...  hippiechick   Apr-18-06 12:21 PM   # 
  - Free speech zones are newspeak idiocy.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 12:25 PM   #7 
  - But they are also enforced wherever the chimperor goes.  HereSince1628   Apr-18-06 12:34 PM   #18 
  - And This is How Presidential Free Speech Zones Happened in the First Place  Crisco   Apr-18-06 02:32 PM   #64 
  - No, I was not being satirical.  hippiechick   Apr-18-06 06:51 PM   #104 
  - With you 100% - place them around the block outside the view  rkc3   Apr-18-06 12:40 PM   #25 
     - Wrong for us and wrong for them. nt.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 12:41 PM   #27 
        - You're right - but it would be interesting to hear the nutters react to  rkc3   Apr-18-06 12:44 PM   #32 
           - Conversely these decisions  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 12:48 PM   #37 
              - That would require a group to make the connection between the two  rkc3   Apr-18-06 02:36 PM   #66 
  - This ruling is MUSIC TO THE EARS OF FRED PHELPS  saigon68   Apr-18-06 12:29 PM   #11 
  - So do you think the right of the people to peacefully assemble  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 12:31 PM   #13 
  - abolished or protected?  saigon68   Apr-18-06 12:45 PM   #33 
  - Ok so I have no clue what your position is here or why you  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 12:50 PM   #38 
  - My apology after arguing with the "Let's Fry Phelps in the  saigon68   Apr-18-06 02:41 PM   #67 
     - That would appear to make two of us.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 02:51 PM   #68 
        - Thanks  saigon68   Apr-18-06 03:14 PM   #70 
  - Whoever you're replying to is on my ignore list  IanDB1   Apr-18-06 03:45 PM   #79 
  - Peacefully seems to be the apt phrase here  CornField   Apr-18-06 04:30 PM   #91 
     - Grabbing an arm is assault.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 04:33 PM   #93 
        - Actually, that's battery  lastliberalintexas   Apr-18-06 04:40 PM   #97 
           - What's wrong with a prior restraint on assault and battery?  Zenlitened   Apr-18-06 08:22 PM   #110 
           - Yep, and in Florida, you can SHOOT someone if they are guilty  loudsue   Apr-19-06 05:34 AM   #112 
  - I want him to - and get good coverage - and be called "pro-family  BR_Parkway   Apr-18-06 12:37 PM   #21 
  - Exactly.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 12:40 PM   #26 
  - He's already been to my town, actually.  dicksteele   Apr-18-06 03:38 PM   #76 
     - The so called freedom of their speech, is intended to PROVOKE violence  saigon68   Apr-19-06 05:22 AM   #111 
  - That's my take on it,  OldLeftieLawyer   Apr-18-06 02:26 PM   #61 
  - I'll Agree With You, BUT  Crisco   Apr-18-06 02:29 PM   #63 
     - I agree and have been trying to make that distinction.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 02:53 PM   #69 
  - What the heck is going on in West Palm Beach....t hat's liberal  KoKo01   Apr-18-06 12:20 PM   #2 
  - well, it was a federal judge  The Straight Story   Apr-18-06 12:23 PM   #5 
  - A federal judge appointed by Clinton  lastliberalintexas   Apr-18-06 02:27 PM   #62 
     - at least I ain't alone  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 03:21 PM   #72 
  - Protecting freedom of speech is important, right? nt.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 12:28 PM   #10 
  - Guess that doesn't bode too well for military funerals  depakid   Apr-18-06 12:21 PM   #3 
  - Peaceful public protest is protected speech.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 12:28 PM   #9 
     - Somehow I suspect  depakid   Apr-18-06 12:40 PM   #24 
        - Then the judge would have been wrong. nt.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 12:41 PM   #28 
           - That was the implication....  depakid   Apr-18-06 12:45 PM   #34 
              - I see no evidence that he is anti choice.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 03:20 PM   #71 
  - I wonder how this Judge feels about Bush's free speech zones?  William769   Apr-18-06 12:21 PM   #4 
  - Only the little people have to obey laws.  bunkerbuster1   Apr-18-06 12:24 PM   #6 
  - Don't know about this particular judge but...  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 12:27 PM   #8 
     - Thanks for the link.  William769   Apr-18-06 12:35 PM   #19 
  - People who have abortions are the new witches for the religionists  VegasWolf   Apr-18-06 12:30 PM   #12 
  - Does the first amendment have no meaning to you?  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 12:32 PM   #16 
     - My feelings regarding organized religion have taken a nose dive these  VegasWolf   Apr-18-06 12:42 PM   #30 
        - I'm fine with that. I hate them too. eom.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 12:47 PM   #35 
        - I Can't Stand Them Either.  Megahurtz   Apr-18-06 04:52 PM   #100 
  - These protestors were kept away because THEY were  Lindacooks   Apr-18-06 12:32 PM   #14 
  - They have a right to protest peacefully on public property.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 12:36 PM   #20 
     - I think the key word in your statement is "peacefully."  Zenlitened   Apr-18-06 04:23 PM   #86 
     - Uh, quite frankly that is nonsense.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 04:33 PM   #92 
        - Well, you use the word "nonsense" rather freely...  Zenlitened   Apr-18-06 04:45 PM   #99 
     - The protests are NOT peaceful. Have you ever been around one?  Lindacooks   Apr-18-06 07:12 PM   #106 
  - Free speech versus practical, common sense  no_hypocrisy   Apr-18-06 12:32 PM   #15 
  - Sorry but free speech wins.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 12:37 PM   #22 
     - Let me put it another way: The Supreme Court has held restrictions of  no_hypocrisy   Apr-18-06 12:48 PM   #36 
        - Very narrow restrictions where there is an established danger.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 12:51 PM   #39 
           - There are also "time, place and manner" restrictions  CTyankee   Apr-18-06 03:33 PM   #75 
  - Weren't these the protesters who were accosting patients entering clinics?  Rose Siding   Apr-18-06 12:33 PM   #17 
  - Right - that's assault.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 12:38 PM   #23 
  - Wonder how this'll mesh with FL's self-defense law?  MountainLaurel   Apr-18-06 12:42 PM   #29 
  - Fine with me.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 12:58 PM   #43 
  - That would almost be funny!  lastliberalintexas   Apr-18-06 02:34 PM   #65 
  - These laws were put in for a reason  RadFemFL   Apr-18-06 12:43 PM   #31 
  - "It has to do with keeping entrances clear and safe "  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 12:54 PM   #41 
  - Have you ever been to a women's clinic?  RadFemFL   Apr-18-06 01:06 PM   #44 
     - When in doubt play the sexism card.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 01:47 PM   #50 
     - Well, what about the right of white racists in the south  CTyankee   Apr-18-06 03:44 PM   #78 
     - Sorry Dude.  Megahurtz   Apr-18-06 04:11 PM   #83 
     - uh, RadFemFL, I'm male and I HAVE been such an escort...  DarkmoonIkonoklast   Apr-21-06 05:42 AM   #122 
  - Agreed RadFemFL!!! n/t  Megahurtz   Apr-18-06 04:07 PM   #82 
  - a little late addendum...  DarkmoonIkonoklast   Apr-21-06 05:38 AM   #121 
  - Women going to a clinic to receive medical care should not have to deal...  Beaverhausen   Apr-18-06 12:51 PM   #40 
  - Freedom of speech is a constitutional right.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 12:57 PM   #42 
  - The purpose of the anti-women protesters is not to express their  Dhalgren   Apr-18-06 01:17 PM   #45 
  - EXACTLY - it's harrassment  Mad_Dem_X   Apr-18-06 01:22 PM   #47 
  - It could even be argued that the way they act  arikara   Apr-18-06 02:01 PM   #54 
     - Speech you do not approve of does not become not speech  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 02:13 PM   #58 
  - So would you support similar restrictions on military recruitment  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 01:49 PM   #51 
     - Medical offices aren't the same as military recruitment offices  Beaverhausen   Apr-18-06 01:54 PM   #53 
     - Nobody's personal business is anybody else's.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 02:05 PM   #56 
     - If protesters at a recruiting office were as verbally violent to the  Dhalgren   Apr-18-06 02:04 PM   #55 
        - Ah so now the argument is verbal violence.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 02:10 PM   #57 
  - Why doesn't anyone talk about privacy here?  shochet   Apr-18-06 01:20 PM   #46 
  - Good point! n/t  Mad_Dem_X   Apr-18-06 01:23 PM   #48 
  - I agree. see my Post #40  Beaverhausen   Apr-18-06 01:26 PM   #49 
  - You have no privacy on a public sidewalk. nt.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 01:50 PM   #52 
  - This is Bullshit, Dude!  Megahurtz   Apr-18-06 04:20 PM   #85 
  - Yep. And these 'protestors' have taken pictures of the women  Lindacooks   Apr-18-06 07:19 PM   #107 
  - I find it astounding that someone would argue that is is ok to harass  ToeBot   Apr-18-06 02:15 PM   #59 
  - Restraining orders?  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 02:24 PM   #60 
     - Abortion Protests are NOT Peaceful Protests. n/t  Megahurtz   Apr-18-06 04:23 PM   #88 
        - Really?  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 04:27 PM   #90 
           - Yup. That Simple. n/t  Megahurtz   Apr-18-06 04:56 PM   #102 
           - Hey buddy, go to one and find out for yourself!  CTyankee   Apr-19-06 06:44 PM   #117 
  - Solution: MORE FREE SPEECH  warrens   Apr-18-06 03:23 PM   #73 
  - Works for me.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 03:26 PM   #74 
  - There you go, a restriction on "free speech" is it not?  CTyankee   Apr-18-06 03:49 PM   #80 
     - You can measure noise and have a content free standard.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 04:23 PM   #87 
        - What is "content free"? Also,you didn't respond to my post about  CTyankee   Apr-18-06 06:56 PM   #105 
           - Content free means  endarkenment   Apr-19-06 07:37 AM   #113 
              - Well, my analogy holds  CTyankee   Apr-19-06 04:36 PM   #116 
  - Generally, I would agree with you but  CTyankee   Apr-18-06 03:58 PM   #81 
  - Well, then I guess that dooms the law against protesting at funerals? n/t  IanDB1   Apr-18-06 03:43 PM   #77 
  - I think the "free speech" argument collapses when burly escorts are needed  Zenlitened   Apr-18-06 04:11 PM   #84 
  - And once again  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 04:26 PM   #89 
     - Sorry, Woman's Right to Privacy Rules.  Megahurtz   Apr-18-06 04:36 PM   #94 
     - Here's the thing: I'd rather not become the victim of a crime.  Zenlitened   Apr-18-06 04:36 PM   #95 
     - Dear heart, please visit now and again, one of those  CTyankee   Apr-18-06 07:19 PM   #108 
  - So...we can picket their churches, burn bibles (or piss on them) on the  Justitia   Apr-18-06 04:38 PM   #96 
  - Actually, you can  lastliberalintexas   Apr-18-06 04:44 PM   #98 
  - Great news, I have all kinds of ideas for nice big posters outside church  Justitia   Apr-18-06 04:55 PM   #101 
     - Hahahaha!!!  Megahurtz   Apr-18-06 04:58 PM   #103 
  - yep, let's give them the same damn treatment n/t  anotherdrew   Apr-19-06 07:20 PM   #120 
  - The judge's rationale makes no sense at all  brentspeak   Apr-18-06 07:28 PM   #109 
  - It's still a crime for them to block access, right?  noonwitch   Apr-19-06 12:17 PM   #114 
  - I would think there is a general law on blocking access to any building  The Straight Story   Apr-19-06 12:25 PM   #115 
  - So jostling, shoving things in your face, yelling prayers & obscenities...  Hekate   Apr-19-06 06:53 PM   #118 
  - so I can setup protests outside their church and hassle them on sunday?  anotherdrew   Apr-19-06 07:19 PM   #119 
  - Another analogy  CTyankee   Apr-21-06 07:46 AM   #123 

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