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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 02:10 PM
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57. Ah so now the argument is verbal violence.
OK, you might have a case there. If one can establish in a constitutional fashion what exactly 'verbal violence' is, then perhaps all verbal violence can be banned. Of course I really don't think that carrying that out to its logical conclusions and applying such a free speech restriction to all protests is exactly what you had in mind, but I could be wrong.

I am of course dead set against a prohibition on something as ambiguous as 'verbal violence'. Some folks would probably consider 'Out of Iraq Now' verbal violence.
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  -Judge overturns West Palm's clinic buffer law (abortion protestors) The Straight Story  Apr-18-06 12:18 PM   #0 
  - I'll take the unpopular position and agree with the judge.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 12:20 PM   #1 
  - So give 'em a 'free speech zone' ...  hippiechick   Apr-18-06 12:21 PM   # 
  - Free speech zones are newspeak idiocy.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 12:25 PM   #7 
  - But they are also enforced wherever the chimperor goes.  HereSince1628   Apr-18-06 12:34 PM   #18 
  - And This is How Presidential Free Speech Zones Happened in the First Place  Crisco   Apr-18-06 02:32 PM   #64 
  - No, I was not being satirical.  hippiechick   Apr-18-06 06:51 PM   #104 
  - With you 100% - place them around the block outside the view  rkc3   Apr-18-06 12:40 PM   #25 
     - Wrong for us and wrong for them. nt.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 12:41 PM   #27 
        - You're right - but it would be interesting to hear the nutters react to  rkc3   Apr-18-06 12:44 PM   #32 
           - Conversely these decisions  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 12:48 PM   #37 
              - That would require a group to make the connection between the two  rkc3   Apr-18-06 02:36 PM   #66 
  - This ruling is MUSIC TO THE EARS OF FRED PHELPS  saigon68   Apr-18-06 12:29 PM   #11 
  - So do you think the right of the people to peacefully assemble  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 12:31 PM   #13 
  - abolished or protected?  saigon68   Apr-18-06 12:45 PM   #33 
  - Ok so I have no clue what your position is here or why you  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 12:50 PM   #38 
  - My apology after arguing with the "Let's Fry Phelps in the  saigon68   Apr-18-06 02:41 PM   #67 
     - That would appear to make two of us.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 02:51 PM   #68 
        - Thanks  saigon68   Apr-18-06 03:14 PM   #70 
  - Whoever you're replying to is on my ignore list  IanDB1   Apr-18-06 03:45 PM   #79 
  - Peacefully seems to be the apt phrase here  CornField   Apr-18-06 04:30 PM   #91 
     - Grabbing an arm is assault.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 04:33 PM   #93 
        - Actually, that's battery  lastliberalintexas   Apr-18-06 04:40 PM   #97 
           - What's wrong with a prior restraint on assault and battery?  Zenlitened   Apr-18-06 08:22 PM   #110 
           - Yep, and in Florida, you can SHOOT someone if they are guilty  loudsue   Apr-19-06 05:34 AM   #112 
  - I want him to - and get good coverage - and be called "pro-family  BR_Parkway   Apr-18-06 12:37 PM   #21 
  - Exactly.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 12:40 PM   #26 
  - He's already been to my town, actually.  dicksteele   Apr-18-06 03:38 PM   #76 
     - The so called freedom of their speech, is intended to PROVOKE violence  saigon68   Apr-19-06 05:22 AM   #111 
  - That's my take on it,  OldLeftieLawyer   Apr-18-06 02:26 PM   #61 
  - I'll Agree With You, BUT  Crisco   Apr-18-06 02:29 PM   #63 
     - I agree and have been trying to make that distinction.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 02:53 PM   #69 
  - What the heck is going on in West Palm Beach....t hat's liberal  KoKo01   Apr-18-06 12:20 PM   #2 
  - well, it was a federal judge  The Straight Story   Apr-18-06 12:23 PM   #5 
  - A federal judge appointed by Clinton  lastliberalintexas   Apr-18-06 02:27 PM   #62 
     - at least I ain't alone  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 03:21 PM   #72 
  - Protecting freedom of speech is important, right? nt.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 12:28 PM   #10 
  - Guess that doesn't bode too well for military funerals  depakid   Apr-18-06 12:21 PM   #3 
  - Peaceful public protest is protected speech.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 12:28 PM   #9 
     - Somehow I suspect  depakid   Apr-18-06 12:40 PM   #24 
        - Then the judge would have been wrong. nt.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 12:41 PM   #28 
           - That was the implication....  depakid   Apr-18-06 12:45 PM   #34 
              - I see no evidence that he is anti choice.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 03:20 PM   #71 
  - I wonder how this Judge feels about Bush's free speech zones?  William769   Apr-18-06 12:21 PM   #4 
  - Only the little people have to obey laws.  bunkerbuster1   Apr-18-06 12:24 PM   #6 
  - Don't know about this particular judge but...  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 12:27 PM   #8 
     - Thanks for the link.  William769   Apr-18-06 12:35 PM   #19 
  - People who have abortions are the new witches for the religionists  VegasWolf   Apr-18-06 12:30 PM   #12 
  - Does the first amendment have no meaning to you?  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 12:32 PM   #16 
     - My feelings regarding organized religion have taken a nose dive these  VegasWolf   Apr-18-06 12:42 PM   #30 
        - I'm fine with that. I hate them too. eom.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 12:47 PM   #35 
        - I Can't Stand Them Either.  Megahurtz   Apr-18-06 04:52 PM   #100 
  - These protestors were kept away because THEY were  Lindacooks   Apr-18-06 12:32 PM   #14 
  - They have a right to protest peacefully on public property.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 12:36 PM   #20 
     - I think the key word in your statement is "peacefully."  Zenlitened   Apr-18-06 04:23 PM   #86 
     - Uh, quite frankly that is nonsense.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 04:33 PM   #92 
        - Well, you use the word "nonsense" rather freely...  Zenlitened   Apr-18-06 04:45 PM   #99 
     - The protests are NOT peaceful. Have you ever been around one?  Lindacooks   Apr-18-06 07:12 PM   #106 
  - Free speech versus practical, common sense  no_hypocrisy   Apr-18-06 12:32 PM   #15 
  - Sorry but free speech wins.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 12:37 PM   #22 
     - Let me put it another way: The Supreme Court has held restrictions of  no_hypocrisy   Apr-18-06 12:48 PM   #36 
        - Very narrow restrictions where there is an established danger.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 12:51 PM   #39 
           - There are also "time, place and manner" restrictions  CTyankee   Apr-18-06 03:33 PM   #75 
  - Weren't these the protesters who were accosting patients entering clinics?  Rose Siding   Apr-18-06 12:33 PM   #17 
  - Right - that's assault.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 12:38 PM   #23 
  - Wonder how this'll mesh with FL's self-defense law?  MountainLaurel   Apr-18-06 12:42 PM   #29 
  - Fine with me.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 12:58 PM   #43 
  - That would almost be funny!  lastliberalintexas   Apr-18-06 02:34 PM   #65 
  - These laws were put in for a reason  RadFemFL   Apr-18-06 12:43 PM   #31 
  - "It has to do with keeping entrances clear and safe "  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 12:54 PM   #41 
  - Have you ever been to a women's clinic?  RadFemFL   Apr-18-06 01:06 PM   #44 
     - When in doubt play the sexism card.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 01:47 PM   #50 
     - Well, what about the right of white racists in the south  CTyankee   Apr-18-06 03:44 PM   #78 
     - Sorry Dude.  Megahurtz   Apr-18-06 04:11 PM   #83 
     - uh, RadFemFL, I'm male and I HAVE been such an escort...  DarkmoonIkonoklast   Apr-21-06 05:42 AM   #122 
  - Agreed RadFemFL!!! n/t  Megahurtz   Apr-18-06 04:07 PM   #82 
  - a little late addendum...  DarkmoonIkonoklast   Apr-21-06 05:38 AM   #121 
  - Women going to a clinic to receive medical care should not have to deal...  Beaverhausen   Apr-18-06 12:51 PM   #40 
  - Freedom of speech is a constitutional right.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 12:57 PM   #42 
  - The purpose of the anti-women protesters is not to express their  Dhalgren   Apr-18-06 01:17 PM   #45 
  - EXACTLY - it's harrassment  Mad_Dem_X   Apr-18-06 01:22 PM   #47 
  - It could even be argued that the way they act  arikara   Apr-18-06 02:01 PM   #54 
     - Speech you do not approve of does not become not speech  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 02:13 PM   #58 
  - So would you support similar restrictions on military recruitment  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 01:49 PM   #51 
     - Medical offices aren't the same as military recruitment offices  Beaverhausen   Apr-18-06 01:54 PM   #53 
     - Nobody's personal business is anybody else's.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 02:05 PM   #56 
     - If protesters at a recruiting office were as verbally violent to the  Dhalgren   Apr-18-06 02:04 PM   #55 
        - Ah so now the argument is verbal violence.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 02:10 PM   #57 
  - Why doesn't anyone talk about privacy here?  shochet   Apr-18-06 01:20 PM   #46 
  - Good point! n/t  Mad_Dem_X   Apr-18-06 01:23 PM   #48 
  - I agree. see my Post #40  Beaverhausen   Apr-18-06 01:26 PM   #49 
  - You have no privacy on a public sidewalk. nt.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 01:50 PM   #52 
  - This is Bullshit, Dude!  Megahurtz   Apr-18-06 04:20 PM   #85 
  - Yep. And these 'protestors' have taken pictures of the women  Lindacooks   Apr-18-06 07:19 PM   #107 
  - I find it astounding that someone would argue that is is ok to harass  ToeBot   Apr-18-06 02:15 PM   #59 
  - Restraining orders?  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 02:24 PM   #60 
     - Abortion Protests are NOT Peaceful Protests. n/t  Megahurtz   Apr-18-06 04:23 PM   #88 
        - Really?  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 04:27 PM   #90 
           - Yup. That Simple. n/t  Megahurtz   Apr-18-06 04:56 PM   #102 
           - Hey buddy, go to one and find out for yourself!  CTyankee   Apr-19-06 06:44 PM   #117 
  - Solution: MORE FREE SPEECH  warrens   Apr-18-06 03:23 PM   #73 
  - Works for me.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 03:26 PM   #74 
  - There you go, a restriction on "free speech" is it not?  CTyankee   Apr-18-06 03:49 PM   #80 
     - You can measure noise and have a content free standard.  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 04:23 PM   #87 
        - What is "content free"? Also,you didn't respond to my post about  CTyankee   Apr-18-06 06:56 PM   #105 
           - Content free means  endarkenment   Apr-19-06 07:37 AM   #113 
              - Well, my analogy holds  CTyankee   Apr-19-06 04:36 PM   #116 
  - Generally, I would agree with you but  CTyankee   Apr-18-06 03:58 PM   #81 
  - Well, then I guess that dooms the law against protesting at funerals? n/t  IanDB1   Apr-18-06 03:43 PM   #77 
  - I think the "free speech" argument collapses when burly escorts are needed  Zenlitened   Apr-18-06 04:11 PM   #84 
  - And once again  endarkenment   Apr-18-06 04:26 PM   #89 
     - Sorry, Woman's Right to Privacy Rules.  Megahurtz   Apr-18-06 04:36 PM   #94 
     - Here's the thing: I'd rather not become the victim of a crime.  Zenlitened   Apr-18-06 04:36 PM   #95 
     - Dear heart, please visit now and again, one of those  CTyankee   Apr-18-06 07:19 PM   #108 
  - So...we can picket their churches, burn bibles (or piss on them) on the  Justitia   Apr-18-06 04:38 PM   #96 
  - Actually, you can  lastliberalintexas   Apr-18-06 04:44 PM   #98 
  - Great news, I have all kinds of ideas for nice big posters outside church  Justitia   Apr-18-06 04:55 PM   #101 
     - Hahahaha!!!  Megahurtz   Apr-18-06 04:58 PM   #103 
  - yep, let's give them the same damn treatment n/t  anotherdrew   Apr-19-06 07:20 PM   #120 
  - The judge's rationale makes no sense at all  brentspeak   Apr-18-06 07:28 PM   #109 
  - It's still a crime for them to block access, right?  noonwitch   Apr-19-06 12:17 PM   #114 
  - I would think there is a general law on blocking access to any building  The Straight Story   Apr-19-06 12:25 PM   #115 
  - So jostling, shoving things in your face, yelling prayers & obscenities...  Hekate   Apr-19-06 06:53 PM   #118 
  - so I can setup protests outside their church and hassle them on sunday?  anotherdrew   Apr-19-06 07:19 PM   #119 
  - Another analogy  CTyankee   Apr-21-06 07:46 AM   #123 
 

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