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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 09:35 PM
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2. There is no telling why she passed out. I image if she was choked and
raped, that could have been a reason.

Cops arn't doctors.
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  -Officer: Alleged Victim 'Passed-Out Drunk' (Duke dancer) seriousstan  Apr-13-06 09:27 PM   #0 
  - Wow n/t  Psephos   Apr-13-06 09:34 PM   #1 
  - So what if they poured alcohol down her throat? It's been done before. nt  cantstandbush   Apr-15-06 09:30 PM   #136 
     - What is they gave her that date rape drug??  adigal   Apr-16-06 06:55 PM   #143 
  - There is no telling why she passed out. I image if she was choked and  IsItJustMe   Apr-13-06 09:35 PM   #2 
  - I noticed a bit of inconsistency between the Kroger call and the cop  hexola   Apr-13-06 09:36 PM   #3 
  - Kroger clerk also described her as drunk/intoxicated.  lizzy   Apr-13-06 10:10 PM   #7 
  - I disagree...  Karmakaze   Apr-14-06 05:02 AM   #43 
     - I disagree...  hexola   Apr-14-06 07:02 AM   #50 
        - You are assuming the cop...  Karmakaze   Apr-14-06 11:21 AM   #58 
           - See reply #3  kittykitty   Apr-14-06 11:48 AM   #65 
           - Cops call came about 10 minutes later, after the Kroger's guard  lizzy   Apr-14-06 08:48 PM   #99 
  - Rohypnol (roofies) can appear that way, too.  knitter4democracy   Apr-13-06 09:36 PM   #4 
  - She apparently described her rape as her fighting the three men, breaking  lizzy   Apr-13-06 10:12 PM   #8 
  - It's entirely likely that her assailants used condoms. There is no reason  radwriter0555   Apr-13-06 11:45 PM   #26 
  - Condoms leave behind a residue.  lizzy   Apr-13-06 11:46 PM   #27 
     - There is no such thing as a test for latex residue.  radwriter0555   Apr-13-06 11:55 PM   #31 
     - Hello?  lizzy   Apr-14-06 12:41 AM   #37 
     - "According to the Defense" - Key Words & not in a court of trial  Pachamama   Apr-14-06 05:05 AM   #44 
        - No, it's "...some condoms can leave behind..." This is not proof  radwriter0555   Apr-14-06 06:51 AM   #49 
        - He is saying that after he got DNA results back.  lizzy   Apr-14-06 07:08 AM   #51 
           - ..it was the players loudly claiming the DNA would exonerate them  hexola   Apr-14-06 07:55 AM   #52 
              - When police applied for court order to get DNA  lizzy   Apr-14-06 01:36 PM   #70 
  - Depends  knitter4democracy   Apr-14-06 09:35 AM   #53 
  - but on one of the talking head shows, I believe rita's they someone  okieinpain   Apr-14-06 12:00 PM   #67 
  - I hope they did all kinds of blood tests to keep this straight. I knew  roguevalley   Apr-13-06 10:35 PM   #10 
  - Alleged victim. Remember that.  rd_kent   Apr-13-06 11:27 PM   #17 
  - Something happened- We just do not have the full story.  rodeodance   Apr-14-06 03:34 AM   #38 
  - I hate that.  knitter4democracy   Apr-14-06 09:36 AM   #54 
     - You would say alleged murder victim ...  FiveGoodMen   Apr-14-06 01:45 PM   #72 
     - But we have a victim here.  knitter4democracy   Apr-14-06 02:07 PM   #73 
        - The medical professional did not say she was raped.  lizzy   Apr-14-06 02:48 PM   #78 
        - Whatever.  knitter4democracy   Apr-14-06 08:43 PM   #95 
        - We very well MAY have a victim here  FiveGoodMen   Apr-14-06 04:16 PM   #85 
     - Maybe, but...  Umbram   Apr-16-06 10:27 AM   #141 
  - Wouldn't roofies would have shown up during the rape kit testing?  rinsd   Apr-14-06 11:54 AM   #66 
  - They don't always.  knitter4democracy   Apr-14-06 08:44 PM   #96 
  - Except that, when you've been roofied, you're usually gone for days.  Maddy McCall   Apr-16-06 07:47 AM   #140 
  - I'd say the Duke alumni association has hired expert help. nt.  Warren Stupidity   Apr-13-06 09:55 PM   #5 
  - No doubt, indeed. 'Institutions' of Duke's stature, do NOT gang rape...  zann725   Apr-15-06 04:37 PM   #133 
  - Just a drunk that said she was raped... :(  wakeme2008   Apr-13-06 10:06 PM   #6 
  - No shit!!!  NVMojo   Apr-13-06 10:15 PM   #9 
  - The report at the hospital said her injuries were consistent with rape,  radwriter0555   Apr-13-06 11:46 PM   #28 
     - yes, I read of that hospital report earlier. Some violence took place.  rodeodance   Apr-14-06 03:36 AM   #39 
     - Yes but WHEN  wakeme2008   Apr-14-06 04:34 AM   #42 
        - Much of that heals quickly.  knitter4democracy   Apr-14-06 02:09 PM   #75 
           - Much of what heals quickly?  lizzy   Apr-14-06 02:46 PM   #77 
              - The vulvar area.  knitter4democracy   Apr-14-06 08:45 PM   #97 
                 - Even if it heals in just weeks, that gives more than enough time  lizzy   Apr-14-06 08:53 PM   #100 
                    - Good points, all.  knitter4democracy   Apr-15-06 07:26 AM   #117 
                       - If she had those, which I don't know at this point, again, no way  lizzy   Apr-15-06 09:55 AM   #121 
                          - I'm inclined to think that we don't know the whole story.  knitter4democracy   Apr-15-06 05:53 PM   #134 
                             - Apparently that group questioning her story  lizzy   Apr-15-06 06:11 PM   #135 
                                - There are many reasons for that.  knitter4democracy   Apr-16-06 07:11 AM   #138 
     - That NOT what the SBI found  wakeme2008   Apr-14-06 04:33 AM   #41 
  - Was her name Tawana Brawley?  Dr.Phool   Apr-13-06 10:36 PM   #11 
  - Just playing devils advocate here  Maine-ah   Apr-14-06 05:17 AM   #45 
  - Where did you hear that one?  0007   Apr-14-06 05:29 AM   #47 
  - If she was slipped a Mickey or Rohypnol...  targetpractice   Apr-13-06 10:41 PM   #12 
  - How often do Roofies and Mickeys turn up in the wild...?  hexola   Apr-13-06 11:00 PM   #14 
  - Two points...  targetpractice   Apr-13-06 11:21 PM   #16 
  - A lot - I dunno - statistically significant...  hexola   Apr-13-06 11:32 PM   #19 
  - It happens a lot.  knitter4democracy   Apr-14-06 09:40 AM   #55 
  - Why do you assume somebody gave or slipped her drugs?  lizzy   Apr-13-06 11:43 PM   #24 
  - "If"...conditional, hypothetical...  hexola   Apr-13-06 11:51 PM   #29 
     - If she claimed she fought these three men to the point her nails  lizzy   Apr-13-06 11:59 PM   #33 
        - ...never clear if they were her real nails, or fake...(nt)  hexola   Apr-14-06 12:03 AM   #34 
           - Fake. And no DNA on them either.  lizzy   Apr-14-06 12:03 AM   #35 
              - ...with regard to the drugged aspect...  hexola   Apr-14-06 12:09 AM   #36 
                 - not necessarily  Maine-ah   Apr-14-06 05:22 AM   #46 
                    - Apparently she put nail polish on her nails while she was at the  lizzy   Apr-14-06 07:33 PM   #94 
                       - do you know how long it takes to do that?  Maine-ah   Apr-15-06 07:41 AM   #119 
                          - I heard it the other way-that these nails would even fall off on  lizzy   Apr-15-06 09:59 AM   #122 
                             - depends on how well you take care of them I would guess  Maine-ah   Apr-15-06 10:25 AM   #126 
                             - I don't know what kind of nails she had. But again, no DNA was  lizzy   Apr-15-06 10:34 AM   #127 
                                - oh, of course I would have expected to find some kind of dna  Maine-ah   Apr-15-06 10:50 AM   #128 
                             - Sounds like Lee's Nail or something  goclark   Apr-17-06 08:06 PM   #148 
  - I do think that's the case.  0007   Apr-15-06 07:38 AM   #118 
  - I do not expect a DA to go out and accuse people  lizzy   Apr-15-06 10:22 AM   #125 
  - Yeah, what's up with this! I mean there's NO chance  genie_weenie   Apr-13-06 10:50 PM   #13 
  - Please tell me your joking!  rd_kent   Apr-13-06 11:29 PM   #18 
     - Most of the conversation was in the GD  genie_weenie   Apr-13-06 11:38 PM   #20 
  - There should be a law against trying rape cases in the press  BattyDem   Apr-13-06 11:19 PM   #15 
  - I agree, but I like the first amendment too. n/t  gatlingforme   Apr-14-06 03:01 PM   #79 
  - Would the police put an unconcious person in the drunk tank?  hexola   Apr-13-06 11:39 PM   #21 
  - I think she ended up in a hospital being examined for rape  lizzy   Apr-13-06 11:42 PM   #22 
     - That was the initial call -  hexola   Apr-13-06 11:43 PM   #23 
        - I know that, but they obviously did not do it to her in the end.  lizzy   Apr-13-06 11:44 PM   #25 
           - Right - but if the officer was dispatched to take someone to the tank...  hexola   Apr-13-06 11:53 PM   #30 
              - If you believe the lacrosse players, she kept passing  lizzy   Apr-13-06 11:58 PM   #32 
  - Something terrible happened to this women by looks of the medical  rodeodance   Apr-14-06 03:45 AM   #40 
  - But when was she examined?  lizzy   Apr-14-06 08:58 PM   #101 
  - Thank you for posting that.. I'm tired of DUers working for the defense..  progressivebydesign   Apr-15-06 03:30 AM   #109 
  - Unless a doctor's report says she was drunk  femmedem   Apr-14-06 06:49 AM   #48 
  - Thank you.  knitter4democracy   Apr-14-06 09:43 AM   #56 
  - Welcome to DU, & I hope your husband is okay now  Hekate   Apr-15-06 06:39 AM   #114 
  - So what?? That is no excuse for rape!  MelliMel   Apr-14-06 10:59 AM   #57 
  - You're making the assumption  brentspeak   Apr-14-06 11:28 AM   #59 
  - True.  MelliMel   Apr-14-06 11:34 AM   #61 
  - Yup. It's no more rape-ish to rape a drugged rather than a drunk woman  Baconfoot   Apr-14-06 11:36 AM   #62 
  - She said she fought her three attackers. How do you think she  lizzy   Apr-14-06 01:22 PM   #68 
  - Just out of curiousity...  DubyaSux   Apr-14-06 11:29 AM   #60 
  - This is from the defense, not the DA.  knitter4democracy   Apr-14-06 01:34 PM   #69 
  - And you must have not seen the DA claiming he is confident  lizzy   Apr-14-06 01:37 PM   #71 
  - I hadn't seen that, no.  knitter4democracy   Apr-14-06 02:08 PM   #74 
     - DNA evidence is coming from the report that was released by  lizzy   Apr-14-06 02:46 PM   #76 
        - I'm not sure.  knitter4democracy   Apr-14-06 08:47 PM   #98 
  - The 2% figure is bogus...  DubyaSux   Apr-14-06 03:23 PM   #81 
     - Sorry, not going to accept a wikipedia article for stats.  Lars39   Apr-14-06 03:25 PM   #83 
  - Are you quite sure she was a prostitute? The article doesn't say that.  oblivious   Apr-14-06 03:25 PM   #82 
  - She was working for an escort service from what I heard.  seriousstan   Apr-14-06 04:36 PM   #87 
     - Most likely, what you heard about was the agency  femmedem   Apr-14-06 06:06 PM   #89 
  - whoever said she was a prostitute? Your argument is very biased  gatlingforme   Apr-14-06 03:31 PM   #84 
  - Maybe you're conflating prostitution and stripping?  femmedem   Apr-14-06 05:54 PM   #88 
     - This woman did one on one parties three times a week.  lizzy   Apr-14-06 06:15 PM   #90 
        - No, that wouldn't be dancing.  femmedem   Apr-14-06 06:17 PM   #91 
           - So, what goes on? What kind of dancing goes on during "one on one"  lizzy   Apr-14-06 06:26 PM   #92 
              - My computer wouldn't open the link,  femmedem   Apr-14-06 06:51 PM   #93 
                 - Escort services are only thinly veiled prostitute services.  seriousstan   Apr-15-06 03:20 PM   #130 
                    - That would be my guess too.  lizzy   Apr-15-06 03:50 PM   #131 
  - Many years ago, I had a roommate who would get drunk,  louis-t   Apr-14-06 11:38 AM   #63 
  - Sub Judice anyone?  Chomp   Apr-14-06 11:41 AM   #64 
  - So what?!  goodhue   Apr-14-06 03:20 PM   #80 
  - It does, however, bring into question her ability to remember facts.  seriousstan   Apr-14-06 04:35 PM   #86 
     - Regardless, evidence ought to've been collected from her body immediately  Hekate   Apr-15-06 06:48 AM   #115 
        - They collected DNA evidence. And DNA evidence showed no  lizzy   Apr-15-06 10:10 AM   #124 
  - If she was unconscious and the incident occurred, it's rape.  ContraBass Black   Apr-14-06 09:04 PM   #102 
  - Oh jesus christ. What she alleges is that three men drugged her  lizzy   Apr-14-06 09:27 PM   #103 
     - There's no translation.  ContraBass Black   Apr-14-06 09:38 PM   #104 
        - And if aliens abducted her, that would be an alien abduction?  lizzy   Apr-14-06 09:57 PM   #105 
           - Yes, that would be an alien abduction.  ContraBass Black   Apr-14-06 10:07 PM   #106 
              - The rape that was done to her when she was unconscious  lizzy   Apr-15-06 12:10 AM   #107 
  - Amazing how fast people on DU turn on her because of DEFENSE stories..  progressivebydesign   Apr-15-06 03:25 AM   #108 
  - I am surprised-so many D.U.threads where posters believe Corporate Media  Fun Doom Mentalist   Apr-15-06 03:47 AM   #110 
  - You know what, no one here knows what happened. It is not useful to  yellowcanine   Apr-15-06 04:10 AM   #111 
     - sheeple are "people" who can be herded like "sheep"  Fun Doom Mentalist   Apr-15-06 04:40 AM   #113 
        - I find it funny  robcon   Apr-15-06 07:08 AM   #116 
           - LOL!  Fun Doom Mentalist   Apr-16-06 01:51 AM   #137 
  - Actually I am not sure we KNOW what either the examining doctor  yellowcanine   Apr-15-06 04:18 AM   #112 
  - Yes, we do know what at least the cop said  lizzy   Apr-15-06 09:52 AM   #120 
     - The 911 tape was released via FOI request by the media. n/t  Kingshakabobo   Apr-15-06 11:00 AM   #129 
        - Well, obviously.  lizzy   Apr-15-06 03:51 PM   #132 
  - How could she be attacked for nearly an hour?  lizzy   Apr-15-06 10:04 AM   #123 
     - if these guys are innocent  bedpanartist   Apr-16-06 07:37 AM   #139 
        - I disagree. No apology needed.  robcon   Apr-16-06 05:45 PM   #142 
           - I bet you would be singing a different tune if you were the accused.  lizzy   Apr-16-06 07:01 PM   #144 
              - yup, their season was cancelled, and they must travel incognito  bedpanartist   Apr-16-06 07:09 PM   #145 
              - Add to that, there are photos taken during the party.  lizzy   Apr-16-06 07:19 PM   #146 
              - You mean I would say the DA shouldn't investigate?  robcon   Apr-17-06 07:20 PM   #147 
  - I don't trust any of the news coming out at this point.  superconnected   Apr-17-06 08:27 PM   #149 
 

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