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  -'Gospel of Judas' Surfaces After 1,700 Years (Jesus asked to be betrayed) RamboLiberal  Apr-06-06 12:00 PM   #0 
  - This is really cool  AngryAmish   Apr-06-06 12:02 PM   #1 
  - oh boy, the fundies are going to go nuts. first jesus on ice, now it's  okieinpain   Apr-06-06 12:05 PM   #2 
  - There are dozens of gospels claiming weird stuff.  Teaser   Apr-06-06 12:12 PM   #8 
  - My favorite one was when Jesus would kill his playmates.  AngryAmish   Apr-06-06 12:16 PM   #14 
  - My favorite one is talking about Jesus and his soccer team and...  Javaman   Apr-06-06 01:26 PM   #53 
  - I'm not certain any of the Gospels talk about Jesus' childhood  hedgehog   Apr-06-06 12:18 PM   #15 
  - The Infancy Gospels of James and Thomas  Teaser   Apr-06-06 12:25 PM   #19 
     - "Weird stuff" may explain why these gospels didn't make it into the  hedgehog   Apr-06-06 01:34 PM   #59 
        - in those, Jesus was a brat and killed a kid. then he changed. I  roguevalley   Apr-06-06 01:51 PM   #69 
        - I'm not a big believer in "pagan" influences on Christianity  Teaser   Apr-06-06 04:53 PM   #108 
           - read these books, then consider their content. it will boggle you  roguevalley   Apr-06-06 05:06 PM   #112 
           - It really does not matter whether one believes in influences or not.  MaryBear   Apr-07-06 12:49 AM   #167 
        - The entire Bible is full of  FlaGranny   Apr-07-06 09:41 AM   #172 
  - Well, Teaser, I think you have things a bit backwards. The Gnostics were  Peace Patriot   Apr-06-06 04:28 PM   #106 
  - Gnostic Christian is an oxymoron.  CreekDog   Apr-06-06 05:26 PM   #116 
  - I disagree  DIKB   Apr-06-06 06:25 PM   #123 
  - Bible: conceived in sin  CreekDog   Apr-06-06 06:50 PM   #128 
  - "We", eh? You got a mouse in your pocket?  kestrel91316   Apr-06-06 10:11 PM   #150 
  - What are you talking about?!  mycritters2   Apr-07-06 05:25 PM   #190 
     - Excuse me?  DIKB   Apr-07-06 07:28 PM   #193 
  - Great reply; you explained Gnosticism perfectly./nt  Roaming   Apr-06-06 07:27 PM   #131 
  - Microsoft Works  edwardlindy   Apr-07-06 10:21 AM   #174 
  - You read, but do not understand  The Traveler   Apr-07-06 11:43 PM   #197 
  - Thanks, PP. I value your expertise in this area. n/t  truth2power   Apr-06-06 11:30 PM   #158 
  - Ahhhh, the pink laser! It eats my brain!  mainegreen   Apr-07-06 11:33 AM   #178 
  - Gee, sounds exacly like today's Right-WingNut-Fundamentalists:  Megahurtz   Apr-07-06 03:23 PM   #183 
  - Would you like to site the passage you are referring to?  DoYouEverWonder   Apr-06-06 05:04 PM   #110 
  - huh??? n/t  orleans   Apr-08-06 12:47 AM   #199 
  - The "Judas was on an assignment" view has been around for awhile  greyl   Apr-06-06 12:13 PM   #11 
  - It stretches back to the Middle Ages, at least  TechBear_Seattle   Apr-06-06 12:36 PM   #22 
  - I remember in "The Last Temptation of Christ" that it has at least  coalition_unwilling   Apr-06-06 01:40 PM   #64 
     - In the book it's a very strong theme  SheWhoMustBeObeyed   Apr-06-06 06:14 PM   #122 
  - It's also a central theme in "Jesus Christ Superstar". (NT)  Tesha   Apr-06-06 01:49 PM   #68 
  - Not really  AngryAmish   Apr-06-06 12:15 PM   #12 
  - You are right, Bible was developed out of the Council of Nicea.  rkc3   Apr-06-06 01:36 PM   #61 
  - the book "the Da Vinci Code" mentions this  TrogL   Apr-06-06 02:05 PM   #78 
     - yes, and quite a few other books/articles of same/similar subject  katty   Apr-06-06 04:17 PM   #103 
  - And you are not suspicious of this cementing of religion with the power  Peace Patriot   Apr-06-06 04:54 PM   #109 
     - Good Stretch, Repression of Paganism did not occur till Justinian  happyslug   Apr-06-06 09:47 PM   #147 
     - Religion and power of the state has always existed  AngryAmish   Apr-07-06 08:54 AM   #170 
  - The fundies should love it...  dchill   Apr-06-06 04:01 PM   #99 
  - I'm looking forward to reading this new one. It sounds like it confirms...  WePurrsevere   Apr-06-06 12:20 PM   #17 
  - They found The Passover Plot?  displacedtexan   Apr-06-06 12:05 PM   #3 
  - Somewhat different plots  TechBear_Seattle   Apr-06-06 12:38 PM   #26 
  - It was also about being martyred.  displacedtexan   Apr-06-06 01:37 PM   #62 
  - I remember reading that years ago. That book said that Jesus  BrklynLiberal   Apr-06-06 03:31 PM   #96 
  - Thanks for the link!  xmas74   Apr-06-06 12:06 PM   #4 
  - I smell coverup...  Canuckistanian   Apr-06-06 12:07 PM   #5 
  - Yeah-- obviously  TexasLawyer   Apr-06-06 12:22 PM   #18 
  - "First of all, it was forty pieces. So you understand my position."  Inland   Apr-06-06 12:49 PM   #30 
  - I've never had much animus against Judas  Penance   Apr-06-06 02:16 PM   #85 
     - Right, it was pre-ordained  Canuckistanian   Apr-06-06 06:29 PM   #124 
  - The National Geographic Channel is supposed to have a special  Connie_Corleone   Apr-06-06 12:10 PM   #6 
  - justintime for Advertising the DAVINCI CODE w Tom Hanks-playing next month  NIGHT TRIPPER   Apr-06-06 01:18 PM   #50 
     - This kind of crap always appears around Holy Week  mycritters2   Apr-07-06 05:17 PM   #187 
  - It was found in the 1970's - you should change your headline.  greyl   Apr-06-06 12:10 PM   #7 
  - See Pg. 2 of the NY Times online article.  Roland99   Apr-06-06 12:58 PM   #37 
     - I can't, what does it say? nt  greyl   Apr-06-06 01:14 PM   #46 
        - Same thing...first found in 1970.  Roland99   Apr-06-06 02:18 PM   #86 
           - Haha, oh :)  greyl   Apr-06-06 02:46 PM   #91 
  - "The only known text...said to be a copy...of the original"  FiveGoodMen   Apr-06-06 12:12 PM   #9 
  - In this case, because they had references to the original from other  jobycom   Apr-06-06 12:38 PM   #25 
     - hey thanks. I'm going to show this to my wife. she will probably make  okieinpain   Apr-06-06 01:52 PM   #70 
     - accepted story. I have a hard time believing churches and their  roguevalley   Apr-06-06 02:00 PM   #73 
  - Understand, just because it's old doesn't make it true.  hedgehog   Apr-06-06 12:13 PM   #10 
  - It's interesting because it could also be what those who tossed them out  WePurrsevere   Apr-06-06 12:47 PM   #29 
  - "Just because it's old..." That's ONE of things that historians look at,  Peace Patriot   Apr-06-06 05:41 PM   #118 
  - Jerry Garcia? I thought he was dead!  endarkenment   Apr-06-06 12:15 PM   #13 
  - Of course they'll say that its just another  LouisianaLiberal   Apr-06-06 12:18 PM   #16 
  - Concerning the "Betrayal of Judas"...  w13rd0   Apr-06-06 12:27 PM   #20 
  - speaking of Saul of Tarsus  newspeak   Apr-06-06 12:41 PM   #27 
  - and, just because some male bishops  newspeak   Apr-06-06 12:30 PM   #21 
  - This codex is a copy of an original believed written in 200 AD?  Old Crusoe   Apr-06-06 12:36 PM   #23 
  - Textual analysis and contemporary references  jobycom   Apr-06-06 12:55 PM   #35 
  - jobycom, thank you very much for that response. It puts me in the  Old Crusoe   Apr-06-06 01:26 PM   #54 
     - Well, I was trained as an historian  jobycom   Apr-06-06 01:59 PM   #72 
        - Well I say you get a raise.  Old Crusoe   Apr-06-06 02:02 PM   #77 
           - Thanks! You can be my new best friend!!  jobycom   Apr-06-06 02:30 PM   #88 
  - Because...  TechBear_Seattle   Apr-06-06 01:01 PM   #38 
  - Hi, TechBear. I hear you on that. I would concede to a selfish response  Old Crusoe   Apr-06-06 01:29 PM   #56 
  - One text I have  newspeak   Apr-06-06 01:06 PM   #42 
     - Any confirmation of my suspicions of Bishop Iraneous is welcome,  Old Crusoe   Apr-06-06 01:35 PM   #60 
        - I gave the book to my brother-in-law  newspeak   Apr-06-06 02:07 PM   #79 
        - Old Crusoe  newspeak   Apr-06-06 02:20 PM   #87 
        - Old Crusoe, sorry I'm late  newspeak   Apr-06-06 09:38 PM   #142 
  - OK, this raises a serious common sense question...................  Minnesota Libra   Apr-06-06 12:37 PM   #24 
  - Not if Jesus believed he was "the son of god" and going to his glory.  lindisfarne   Apr-06-06 12:53 PM   #33 
  - Martyrdom. Jesus wasn't a messiah but he knew he could be made into one  Roland99   Apr-06-06 12:56 PM   #36 
  - Jesus didn't "want" to be betrayed  hedgehog   Apr-06-06 01:10 PM   #44 
  - Human nature never changes  AngryAmish   Apr-06-06 01:34 PM   #58 
  - Jesus evolved past the petty ego & lived to do the Universal Will  cryingshame   Apr-06-06 01:32 PM   #57 
  - I like the way  there-s a   Apr-06-06 01:39 PM   #63 
  - Reading the bible closely...  Chemical Bill   Apr-06-06 02:02 PM   #74 
     - Actually, it's not the bleeding from the broken legs  Lydia Leftcoast   Apr-06-06 10:27 PM   #152 
        - Have to disagreewith your first sentence  FlaGranny   Apr-07-06 10:11 AM   #173 
        - Thank you, ma'm. n/t  Chemical Bill   Apr-07-06 07:43 PM   #195 
        - Point by point...  Chemical Bill   Apr-07-06 07:40 PM   #194 
           - The medical accounts of crucifixions were worked out by a French  Lydia Leftcoast   Apr-08-06 05:09 PM   #204 
  - Forgive me for being illiterate...  brooklynite   Apr-06-06 12:43 PM   #28 
  - Histories are often passed down for generations by oral tradition then  lindisfarne   Apr-06-06 12:52 PM   #32 
  - well, because  newspeak   Apr-06-06 12:54 PM   #34 
  - It has less historical significance for Jesus than for the early Church.  jobycom   Apr-06-06 01:06 PM   #41 
  - It doesn't have any authenticity, nor significance  mycritters2   Apr-07-06 05:18 PM   #188 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-06-06 12:50 PM   #31 
  - Thanks for positng....  RedEarth   Apr-06-06 01:01 PM   #39 
  - Looking for a recently published book  TechBear_Seattle   Apr-06-06 01:05 PM   #40 
  - Not sure, but Robin Lane Fox writes about it, too  jobycom   Apr-06-06 01:12 PM   #45 
  - Are you talking about "Misquoting Jesus"  supernova   Apr-06-06 01:14 PM   #47 
  - That's the very book!  TechBear_Seattle   Apr-06-06 02:02 PM   #76 
  - My only problem with "Misquoting Jesus" is...  Chemical Bill   Apr-06-06 02:09 PM   #81 
  - He was on The Daily Show recently.  BrklynLiberal   Apr-06-06 03:38 PM   #97 
  - why do you need a recently published book?  theobscure   Apr-06-06 02:16 PM   #84 
  - Because...  TechBear_Seattle   Apr-06-06 04:03 PM   #100 
     - ok, but since the Bible has been exposed as a fraud so long ago  theobscure   Apr-06-06 04:49 PM   #107 
        - Who/When/Where exposed the Bible as a fraud?  CreekDog   Apr-06-06 05:11 PM   #113 
           - Thomas Paine... "Age of Reason" ...200+ years ago...France..n/t  theobscure   Apr-06-06 05:22 PM   #115 
              - I'll take Paul over Thomas Paine any day of the week  CreekDog   Apr-06-06 05:39 PM   #117 
              - Wow, almost nobody likes Paul. Especially Christians.  superconnected   Apr-06-06 05:49 PM   #120 
              - Actually...  TechBear_Seattle   Apr-06-06 09:26 PM   #137 
              - Have you read it? It systematically debunks the Bible book by..  theobscure   Apr-06-06 06:04 PM   #121 
                 - haven't read Paine's debunking  CreekDog   Apr-06-06 06:44 PM   #125 
                    - Paine also actually, again using the Bible itself, shows that it was  theobscure   Apr-06-06 07:19 PM   #130 
                       - couple of points to ponder  CreekDog   Apr-06-06 09:33 PM   #140 
                          - response  theobscure   Apr-06-06 10:52 PM   #154 
                             - I believe this stuff and I tend to be a skeptic about everything  CreekDog   Apr-07-06 12:01 AM   #162 
              - Paine offered a critique and an explanation on why he did not believe  TechBear_Seattle   Apr-06-06 09:02 PM   #135 
                 - minimize it all you want....  theobscure   Apr-06-06 09:32 PM   #139 
                    - it is not inconsistent  CreekDog   Apr-06-06 09:41 PM   #143 
                       - well I'm not going to spend too much time banging my head...  theobscure   Apr-06-06 10:59 PM   #155 
                          - You insisting on reason in spiritual matters  CreekDog   Apr-07-06 12:05 AM   #163 
                             - forgot to answer your question  CreekDog   Apr-07-06 12:10 AM   #164 
                             - If faith could be restricted to the spiritual side, there wouldn't be a  theobscure   Apr-07-06 12:44 AM   #166 
  - Pretty much Gnosticism  CreekDog   Apr-06-06 02:56 PM   #93 
  - Except that....  TechBear_Seattle   Apr-06-06 03:59 PM   #98 
  - But that answer is too clever for me  CreekDog   Apr-06-06 04:20 PM   #104 
     - I'm not going to argue theology  TechBear_Seattle   Apr-06-06 09:28 PM   #138 
     - "The Fortunate Fall"  okasha   Apr-08-06 12:45 AM   #198 
  - How could it be so?  FlaGranny   Apr-07-06 10:31 AM   #175 
  - Bart Ehrman: maybe Lost Christianities and another called Lost Scriptures  Supersedeas   Apr-07-06 01:02 PM   #180 
     - I will have to track those down, thanks. n/t  TechBear_Seattle   Apr-07-06 01:18 PM   #181 
  - I thought this was a parody news post  The Witch   Apr-06-06 01:08 PM   #43 
  - I like the way you think.  Chemical Bill   Apr-06-06 02:11 PM   #82 
  - I like the "Jesus Christ Super Star" story better.  0007   Apr-06-06 01:15 PM   #48 
  - All Christians, bar none, ignore certain parts of the bible and other  kiraboo   Apr-06-06 01:17 PM   #49 
  - many like to interpret the Bible as an "expert"-with no research/training  NIGHT TRIPPER   Apr-06-06 01:40 PM   #65 
     - So, if there is significance of numbers in the text  newspeak   Apr-06-06 02:33 PM   #89 
        - sure--it's pretty easy--  NIGHT TRIPPER   Apr-06-06 08:29 PM   #134 
        - Newspeak, you might want to check out  truth2power   Apr-06-06 11:27 PM   #156 
  - Glory Glory Halli 'burton...no one's ever learned anything from history..  jus_the_facts   Apr-06-06 01:21 PM   #51 
  - Who?  fshrink   Apr-06-06 01:22 PM   #52 
  - want to really have your mind blown  newspeak   Apr-06-06 01:27 PM   #55 
  - This is all pretty interesting  mycritters2   Apr-06-06 02:37 PM   #90 
  - Debunked by whom? And for what reasons?  MrMonk   Apr-06-06 05:05 PM   #111 
     - Most effectively by James Robinson, one of the best NT scholars  mycritters2   Apr-07-06 05:11 PM   #185 
        - LOL....anti-religious = tin foil hat? interesting n/t  theobscure   Apr-07-06 05:16 PM   #186 
           - You know, the "Council of Ncaea was a conspiracy  mycritters2   Apr-07-06 05:29 PM   #192 
  - The Zoroastrians are not "John the Baptist believers"  Lydia Leftcoast   Apr-06-06 10:31 PM   #153 
  - answer:Mandeans  kineneb   Apr-06-06 11:49 PM   #161 
     - thank you all for the information  newspeak   Apr-07-06 11:13 AM   #177 
     - That's interesting, because there's another tradition  MrMonk   Apr-07-06 05:29 PM   #191 
  - That's the Mandaeans, newspeak.  okasha   Apr-08-06 12:54 AM   #200 
  - I agree with the test Jesus knew Judas was going to betray him  lovuian   Apr-06-06 01:44 PM   #66 
  - you know I like this thread, alot of info here, that's why I like DU.  okieinpain   Apr-06-06 01:46 PM   #67 
  - Off topic, but "Terry Garcia" is an unfortunate name for a scholar. n/t  FSogol   Apr-06-06 01:55 PM   #71 
  - Combination of Jerry Garcia and Terry Garr. I think it's perfect.  Bucky   Apr-06-06 04:05 PM   #101 
  - Have these findings been tested scientifically?  AuntiBush   Apr-06-06 02:02 PM   #75 
  - That's what the story's about  jobycom   Apr-06-06 02:12 PM   #83 
  - so Jesus had a Jesus complex n/t  theobscure   Apr-06-06 02:07 PM   #80 
  - Misquoting Jesus -- Excellent layman's book on NT textual criticism  evworldeditor   Apr-06-06 02:55 PM   #92 
  - Also check out The Jesus Legend and The Jesus Myth by G.A. Wells  Barrett808   Apr-06-06 04:21 PM   #105 
  - From Jesus to Christianity - L. Michael White  Roland99   Apr-06-06 11:30 PM   #157 
  - Stand Up For Judas! (folk song)  0rganism   Apr-06-06 03:11 PM   #94 
  - Love it! Conveys all we need to know about which path in life to take.  ShortnFiery   Apr-06-06 09:43 PM   #146 
     - thanks for the Luke 18:9 cite  CreekDog   Apr-06-06 10:06 PM   #149 
        - You're welcome n/t  ShortnFiery   Apr-06-06 10:14 PM   #151 
  - Cool, I love good new fiction!  Zhade   Apr-06-06 03:13 PM   #95 
  - so this is rough draft then. Before the more dramatic re-write. n/t  bee   Apr-06-06 04:11 PM   #102 
  - This reads like Bible fan fiction lol  melody   Apr-06-06 05:12 PM   #114 
  - you gotta wonder why people would want a book by Judas  superconnected   Apr-06-06 05:42 PM   #119 
  - well, actually, didn't Mark Twain  newspeak   Apr-06-06 09:43 PM   #145 
  - How fucking boring! One group of religionists vs another. Next problem  VegasWolf   Apr-06-06 06:46 PM   #126 
  - The story was about religion  CreekDog   Apr-06-06 06:56 PM   #129 
     - Just offering my opinion!!! Actually I feel all religion is boring and I  VegasWolf   Apr-06-06 07:59 PM   #133 
        - Okay, no problem  CreekDog   Apr-06-06 09:43 PM   #144 
        - LOL. but actually I like drunks!  VegasWolf   Apr-06-06 11:46 PM   #160 
           - drunks are only fun if you're drunk with them  CreekDog   Apr-07-06 12:14 AM   #165 
        - Oh alas!  ShortnFiery   Apr-06-06 10:05 PM   #148 
           - The Invisible Sky People are being sarcastic! nt  VegasWolf   Apr-07-06 12:56 PM   #179 
  - Duplicate post.  VegasWolf   Apr-06-06 06:46 PM   #127 
  - this is like sooo... whatever  sweetheart   Apr-06-06 07:47 PM   #132 
  - He said she said my grandmother told me, is what the Bible is  MaryBear   Apr-07-06 12:58 AM   #168 
  - So Judas was a good German - he was just following orders  JPZenger   Apr-06-06 09:15 PM   #136 
  - The Secret to Good Show Business Is .... Timing  Crisco   Apr-06-06 09:36 PM   #141 
  - NATIONAL GEO CHANNEL TO AIR "GOSPEL OF JUDAS" SUNDAY NIGHT.  Maddy McCall   Apr-06-06 11:31 PM   #159 
  - I'm a history buff, I love this kind of stuff  Raine   Apr-07-06 02:13 AM   #169 
  - A copy made in 300 A.D of the original made in 200 A.D.  brentspeak   Apr-07-06 09:32 AM   #171 
  - Indeed, and this also applies  FlaGranny   Apr-07-06 10:33 AM   #176 
     - Books of the New Testament were mostly written in the first and early  Zynx   Apr-07-06 03:34 PM   #184 
     - The "Gospel of Judas" was written well after the canon  mycritters2   Apr-07-06 05:21 PM   #189 
  - So I guess we're all not going to Hell after all!!!  Megahurtz   Apr-07-06 03:07 PM   #182 
  - The Existence Of Historical Christ  phrenzy   Apr-07-06 08:34 PM   #196 
  - big deal...  madrchsod   Apr-08-06 02:04 AM   #201 
     - Many of the twisted stories in bible are philsophical adaptations  nolabels   Apr-08-06 09:00 AM   #202 
        - i know i was being cynical  madrchsod   Apr-08-06 03:26 PM   #203 
 

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