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politicat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 02:21 AM
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53. *snort* Please don't...
This is not a flame -- really. This is my life. It's kinda funny, really. Or so I keep telling myself.

I live with a UNIX (note - UNIX, not Linux) devotee with a Master's of Comp Sci (and his doctorate, if he will just get around to writing the damned paper) and almost 20 years in the industry, including time with NASA, Sun, IBM and Bell Atlantic. I don't joke when I say that Assembly is his first language, C his second, Java his third, and English his fourth. (And he's American born.) If you have health insurance, he wrote a good deal of the underlying software that manages your records, and he wrote about half of the software that feeds NASA satellite data to be processed before it goes to NASA TV and the NASA website. He is also the only UNIX ecumenist I know personally. He'll use any flavor, and likes them all.

I know UNIX and Linux. Intimately. Too intimately. I should be getting child support from Linux, I know it so well. No, thank you. I'll take my nice BSD based Darwin OS X. I like not having to change operating systems once a week just so I can both use my wireless network AND print on the same day.

My partner has 5 machines in his office. He loves them enough to lavish Distros upon them. Many distros. Frequently. Both the Dell laptop and the Powerbook are currently dual booting; the former Ubantu and XP Pro; the latter 10.4 and Ubantu; they're doing okay apparently. At least, I haven't *heard* any requests for additional software or hardware. I guess I better check the credit card statements, though.

The other three hardware sets are: one later model PowerMac Beige G3 with upgraded memory and 3 SCSI hard drives; one Compaq Presario 1 GHz Intel chip with 512 RAM; and 1 ice iBook 500 MHz 684 MB. (I think he also has my spare ice iBook - my backup machine - but I'm not supposed to know that he sneaked it out of my office.... and it will have my 10.4 disk image replaced upon it when I oh so innocently ask about it.)

In the last six months, on the 3 different sets of hardware, we've had:
Ubantu (all three, and currently booting off of CDs or external drives)
Free BSD (all three; my partner loooorves BSD, especially when it doesn't work right and he has something to play with.)
NetBSD (all three, see above.)
Yellowdog (the macs.)
Mandrake (or is it Mandriva now?) (The Intel. Yikes.)
Slackware (All three, in succession.)
Gentoo (all three, PLUS on the handheld.)
Suse (the Intel.)
Darwin (minus the OS X overlay)
Solaris (the intel)
and probably at least three others that I never even noticed. One of them probably in Parsi with a Mandarin interface.

There's Linux of some flavor on every machine but the one I'm typing on right now, but I wouldn't want to do anything intensive on any of them. They're usually not running properly. If it's not the video drivers, it's the networking and if it's not the networking, it's the printer drivers and if it's not the printer drivers, it's unstable, or it's the firewire drives or the slave drives or once, memorably, the SCSI drives. I didn't know my husband knew some of those words, and we've been married almost five years.

Linux will get there... someday. Not yet, though. It needs money behind the projects, and there's no money in open source unless there's money to be made. Apple and Sun both realized this and did something about it, and their products are pretty damn good.

And it needs a lot less fragmentation. Having 30 flavors out there (and having Holy warriors for all 30, all of whom seem determined to KILL each other with the power of their minds through their flame posts) isn't helping anyone.

I'm not even going to touch MANpages....
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  -Apple OKs Intel-Macs to run Windows XP Kablooie  Apr-05-06 12:08 PM   #0 
  - Now, I wish I could run a real OS on my non-Apple intel box  BlueEyedSon   Apr-05-06 12:10 PM   #1 
  - Here....  guruoo   Apr-05-06 12:58 PM   #8 
  - That is subversive as hell-I love it!  confludemocrat   Apr-05-06 12:14 PM   #2 
  - Oh but they have to buy the overpriced Apple hardware first.  endarkenment   Apr-05-06 12:32 PM   #3 
     - Overpriced?  suston96   Apr-05-06 12:42 PM   #4 
     - Sorry  THX1138   Apr-05-06 12:48 PM   #7 
        - Good for you.  onehandle   Apr-05-06 01:12 PM   #10 
        - Too bad  THX1138   Apr-05-06 01:49 PM   #14 
           - I have better things to do than screw PCs together. (NT)  Tesha   Apr-05-06 02:57 PM   #21 
           - Good for you..  NervousRex   Apr-05-06 06:51 PM   #31 
           - Nice try...  NervousRex   Apr-05-06 06:48 PM   #30 
              - I am willing to pay a bit more for something I know will work  alfredo   Apr-05-06 10:17 PM   #36 
              - not to mention that, frankly  northzax   Apr-05-06 11:02 PM   #44 
              - I'd only build if I was making a Linux or UNIX machine. I wouldn't  alfredo   Apr-05-06 11:08 PM   #46 
              - it's not the os, it the software that the users put on the os. most users  okieinpain   Apr-06-06 12:16 PM   #58 
                 - All he'd need is NeoOffice, Graphic Converter, Mac Janitor  alfredo   Apr-06-06 01:09 PM   #59 
              - Some people like to buy Chevys. Some people like to buy Porsches.  Tesha   Apr-06-06 10:15 AM   #56 
        - Good for you. (NT)  Tesha   Apr-05-06 01:52 PM   #15 
        - But do you know the parts will work together?  politicat   Apr-05-06 04:55 PM   #24 
           - If you are going to build your own, get Linux, then it'll work...  Solon   Apr-05-06 11:03 PM   #45 
              - *snort* Please don't...  politicat   Apr-06-06 02:21 AM   #53 
                 - Your husband sounds like a tinkerer...  Solon   Apr-06-06 02:40 AM   #54 
                    - Yay. You're still not converting me.  politicat   Apr-06-06 03:44 AM   #55 
     - How ten years ago of you.  onehandle   Apr-05-06 01:13 PM   #11 
     - They HAVE to buy an Mac in order to runs Windows?  NYC Liberal   Apr-05-06 02:02 PM   #17 
     - Thats the point.  endarkenment   Apr-05-06 03:15 PM   #22 
        - Of course that's the case  NYC Liberal   Apr-05-06 04:28 PM   #23 
        - Oh really?  guruoo   Apr-05-06 05:36 PM   #25 
           - That's an ugly hack that will make security updates and such hard to do...  Solon   Apr-05-06 10:47 PM   #39 
              - People are saying it works just fine once...  guruoo   Apr-06-06 01:15 AM   #51 
                 - Doesn't run well with AMD machines, even Darwin doesn't like it that much.  Solon   Apr-06-06 01:37 AM   #52 
     - That might be happening soon.  alfredo   Apr-05-06 10:49 PM   #40 
  - Why would anyone want to ruin a lovely Mac by putting Windows XP  Emillereid   Apr-05-06 12:43 PM   #5 
  - A purity freak are we? Don't think intel viruses can jump onto Mac OS  confludemocrat   Apr-05-06 02:31 PM   #19 
  - Unnatural  BrightKnight   Apr-05-06 12:48 PM   #6 
  - It;s akin to putting a lawn mower engine  drdtroit   Apr-05-06 01:06 PM   #9 
  - The thing is, sometimes you gotta mow the lawn...  htuttle   Apr-05-06 01:18 PM   #12 
  - THIS IS VERY BOLD.  Brundle_Fly   Apr-05-06 01:22 PM   #13 
  - Not Really...  physioex   Apr-05-06 01:54 PM   #16 
  - Sixty buck option.  onehandle   Apr-05-06 02:04 PM   #18 
  - as if the hardware was the central issue here  confludemocrat   Apr-05-06 02:36 PM   #20 
  - You're right, the iMacs are VERY reasonably priced  Catch22Dem   Apr-05-06 06:05 PM   #28 
  - This isn't exactly new  Ignacio Upton   Apr-05-06 05:39 PM   #26 
  - under Virtual PC, Windows didn't run, it crawled n/t  confludemocrat   Apr-05-06 06:25 PM   #29 
  - And when you compare current pricing, Apples are cheaper.  politicat   Apr-05-06 05:40 PM   #27 
  - Where do you get the "effective" number? nt  arcos   Apr-05-06 07:04 PM   #32 
     - Benchmarking tests independently verified and extrapolated.  politicat   Apr-05-06 07:43 PM   #33 
        - I wonder how would Windows x64 do on a 3.4 Pentium D... nt  arcos   Apr-05-06 07:58 PM   #34 
        - really?  Clovis Sangrail   Apr-06-06 01:03 AM   #50 
  - Apple could take a huge byte out of the PC hardware market.  BrightKnight   Apr-05-06 08:14 PM   #35 
  - Wow, Apple released its own boot manager!  Solon   Apr-05-06 10:37 PM   #37 
  - it's been done  northzax   Apr-05-06 10:44 PM   #38 
  - Actually, a LONG time before that...  Solon   Apr-05-06 10:55 PM   #43 
  - It's not what you do it's how you do it. Apple is real good at  alfredo   Apr-05-06 10:52 PM   #41 
     - Hence the reason to build your own...  Solon   Apr-05-06 11:30 PM   #47 
        - That's a nice thing about Apple. You plug something in and it works  alfredo   Apr-05-06 11:59 PM   #48 
           - Actually, I have a confession to make, of sorts...  Solon   Apr-06-06 12:43 AM   #49 
              - That's the beauty of open source. If there is a problem, someone  alfredo   Apr-06-06 11:41 AM   #57 
  - I'm running it right now!  brooklynite   Apr-05-06 10:53 PM   #42 
     - From the reviews I've read, games run well. Not bad for the first  alfredo   Apr-06-06 01:14 PM   #60 

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