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Horses still can be killed for food -- meatpackers got rules changed
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Horses still can be killed for food -- meatpackers got rules changed

Zachary Coile, Chronicle Washington Bureau

Monday, April 3, 2006

Washington -- For years, horse advocates have tried to shut three foreign-owned plants in the United States that slaughter horses and ship the meat to France, Belgium, Italy and Japan, where it is served in restaurants as a delicacy.

Congress amended an agriculture spending bill last fall to ban using taxpayer funds to inspect horse meat, which would stop horse slaughter in the United States because federal law requires the inspection of all meat.

But the Department of Agriculture, lobbied by the owners of the plants and their allies in Congress and in the horse and cattle industries, issued new rules last month allowing the plants to keep operating by paying the $350,000 annual cost of the inspections.
Lawmakers are pushing a broader bill -- sponsored by Rep. John Sweeney, R-N.Y., in the House, and Sen. John Ensign, R-Nev., in the Senate -- which would ban the slaughter of horses as well as the transportation of horses or horse meat for human consumption.
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  -Horses still can be killed for food -- meatpackers got rules changed pinniped  Apr-03-06 11:32 AM   #0 
  - I just don't get this, why is it ok to salughter cows but not horses?  bowens43   Apr-03-06 11:38 AM   #1 
  - Here's my answer: a copy of the letter I sent Senator Kerry thanking him  _dynamicdems   Apr-03-06 01:01 PM   #23 
  - I agree 100% with this.  Katherine Brengle   Apr-03-06 01:49 PM   #41 
     - Horses are not raised for food or eaten in the USA. See post #31. nt  CottonBear   Apr-03-06 02:13 PM   #49 
     - Horsemeat is actually quite tasty and healthful. You can be a vegan  karlrschneider   Apr-03-06 06:55 PM   #65 
        - I am doubting the "healthy" comment  Debau2005   Apr-03-06 07:16 PM   #72 
           - Well, vaccines etc. do not affect taste. I doubt they have any more  karlrschneider   Apr-03-06 07:22 PM   #74 
              - They may not affect taste  Debau2005   Apr-03-06 07:28 PM   #75 
              - Well, I've already lived more than 20 years past what I expected  karlrschneider   Apr-03-06 08:15 PM   #79 
                 - Well, good for you.  Karenca   Apr-03-06 08:20 PM   #81 
              - There's significant diffrerence in taste  Karenca   Apr-03-06 08:18 PM   #80 
     - They are ALL worthy of protection.  Karenca   Apr-03-06 08:37 PM   #84 
     - Horses are partners. Like dogs.  LWolf   Apr-04-06 06:51 AM   #96 
        - So its OK to eat cows because theyre livestock  bee   Apr-04-06 07:29 PM   #117 
           - I don't eat friends or partners.  LWolf   Apr-04-06 09:08 PM   #119 
  - Thank you for posting this.  astonamous   Apr-03-06 11:38 AM   #2 
  - I don't understand why this is a problem.  China_cat   Apr-03-06 11:39 AM   #3 
  - If people keep eating them,  Karenca   Apr-03-06 11:43 AM   #5 
  - If they are FARMED for the meat  China_cat   Apr-03-06 11:45 AM   #6 
  - Well , they are not.  Karenca   Apr-03-06 11:54 AM   #8 
  - I ate horse because I wanted to see what it tasted like.  China_cat   Apr-03-06 12:27 PM   #18 
  - Good for you!  Karenca   Apr-03-06 01:02 PM   #24 
  - Anyway, why do you keep bringing up "dire circumstances".  Karenca   Apr-03-06 01:10 PM   #27 
  - It's really not a part of the US culture to eat horse meat.  The Wielding Truth   Apr-03-06 01:41 PM   #37 
  - Some peoples find monkeys yummy.  igil   Apr-04-06 09:25 AM   #102 
  - See post #31. n/t  CottonBear   Apr-03-06 01:50 PM   #42 
  - In the early seventies  newblewtoo   Apr-03-06 01:56 PM   #47 
  - Just what is needed is more "farming"  Debau2005   Apr-03-06 11:58 AM   #9 
  - I do know where my meat comes from  China_cat   Apr-03-06 12:24 PM   #17 
     - So you have no issues  Debau2005   Apr-03-06 12:42 PM   #21 
     - Europeans eat horse meat. We don't. They can eat their horses. n/t  CottonBear   Apr-03-06 01:36 PM   #36 
     - Anthropomorphizing animals = electing George W. Bush. n/t  _dynamicdems   Apr-03-06 01:51 PM   #44 
  - If it is Trigger or my starving kid, Trigger would be sacrificed, but  _dynamicdems   Apr-03-06 01:06 PM   #25 
  - American do not eat horses. Europeans and the Japanese do  CottonBear   Apr-03-06 01:35 PM   #35 
     - In other words you want to legislate your own tastes.  robcon   Apr-04-06 08:23 AM   #101 
        - We shouldn't eat companion animals like horses, dogs and cats. n/t  CottonBear   Apr-04-06 04:28 PM   #116 
  - One reason it is a problem is theft.  Debau2005   Apr-03-06 11:48 AM   #7 
  - Like I said, I've helped butcher.  China_cat   Apr-03-06 12:28 PM   #19 
  - That's really kinda sad. Faced with that choice, I'd keep my illusions.  _dynamicdems   Apr-03-06 01:27 PM   #32 
     - You're thinking of dogs  Robb   Apr-03-06 05:41 PM   #58 
     - In primitive cultures, you are correct. I was referring to civilization  _dynamicdems   Apr-03-06 08:01 PM   #77 
        - Or galley slaves, I assume. n/t  Robb   Apr-03-06 08:34 PM   #83 
           - Galley slaves aren't much use on dry land. n/t  _dynamicdems   Apr-03-06 08:55 PM   #85 
     - Why would you deify an animal?  BlackHeart   Apr-03-06 10:44 PM   #91 
     - Cattle were used to pull ploughs long before horses  muriel_volestrangler   Apr-04-06 10:31 AM   #111 
  - You forgot the sledgehammer blow between the ears used to kill them.  CottonBear   Apr-03-06 01:29 PM   #33 
     - What's the worst is having to pick the  China_cat   Apr-03-06 01:44 PM   #38 
     - That was rude and mean. n/t  CottonBear   Apr-03-06 01:51 PM   #45 
     - Also true.  China_cat   Apr-03-06 01:52 PM   #46 
        - You had no reason to post that except to inflame and upset.  CottonBear   Apr-03-06 01:57 PM   #48 
     - You're an animal lover, I see.  Karenca   Apr-03-06 05:48 PM   #59 
     - I toured the Great Western Meat company in Whiteface, Texas  bmbmd   Apr-03-06 03:05 PM   #52 
     - If the horses were not panicked  Debau2005   Apr-03-06 06:56 PM   #66 
     - Good question.  bmbmd   Apr-04-06 07:04 AM   #99 
     - The horses were drugged. n/t  CottonBear   Apr-04-06 11:06 AM   #115 
     - a sledgehammer between the ears is humane compared to  bee   Apr-04-06 07:38 PM   #118 
  - Because they are companion animals not food animals in the USA.  CottonBear   Apr-03-06 01:26 PM   #31 
  - Excellent point!  Debau2005   Apr-03-06 02:20 PM   #50 
  - Thank you.  CottonBear   Apr-03-06 05:29 PM   #55 
     - Then again  Debau2005   Apr-03-06 06:52 PM   #64 
  - Right. You want me to believe  Robb   Apr-03-06 05:37 PM   #56 
     - I never said that. I do not believe in eating horses.  CottonBear   Apr-03-06 09:29 PM   #86 
        - Before horses toiled for mankind in war and on the farms,  igil   Apr-04-06 09:49 AM   #103 
  - As a horseowner, my concerns are practical  Jersey Ginny   Apr-03-06 02:46 PM   #51 
  - I don't understand why we don't just farm  LWolf   Apr-04-06 06:57 AM   #97 
  - I'm off to watch that episode of All in the Family.  HypnoToad   Apr-03-06 11:41 AM   #4 
  - As a horse owner  MuseRider   Apr-03-06 11:58 AM   #10 
  - Why the hell does the USDA let these dirty mofos get away with this  LeftyMom   Apr-03-06 12:00 PM   #11 
  - Yup, nailed it.  redqueen   Apr-03-06 12:08 PM   #13 
  - christian law: no eating beasts of burden.  Democrats_win   Apr-03-06 12:05 PM   #12 
  - Interesting!  Debau2005   Apr-03-06 12:11 PM   #15 
  - Kosher dietary law:  Karenca   Apr-03-06 12:18 PM   #16 
  - But horses do live in groups, don't they?  HereSince1628   Apr-03-06 12:58 PM   #22 
  - They can become very lonely and depressed with out other horses.  CottonBear   Apr-03-06 01:32 PM   #34 
  - How about cavalry horses then?  daleo   Apr-03-06 10:13 PM   #89 
     - That is exactly why we owe them respect now.  CottonBear   Apr-04-06 08:20 AM   #100 
  - Very good point. They have already served enough. There was even  _dynamicdems   Apr-03-06 01:09 PM   #26 
  - And more recently, a Kentucky Derby winner  u4ic   Apr-03-06 06:58 PM   #67 
     - link  Debau2005   Apr-03-06 07:22 PM   #73 
        - i just read the link  Karenca   Apr-03-06 08:34 PM   #82 
  - But kine are beasts of burden.  igil   Apr-04-06 09:56 AM   #105 
  - They're Made of MEAT!  pocket   Apr-03-06 12:09 PM   #14 
  - heheheheheheheh  China_cat   Apr-03-06 12:29 PM   #20 
  - Human flesh is also meat, but I wouldn't want to eat it either. n/t  _dynamicdems   Apr-03-06 01:11 PM   #28 
  - Right or wrong, we've created a distinction between humans and animals.  MercutioATC   Apr-03-06 01:18 PM   #29 
  - Smacks of creationism to me. I'm more of an evolutionist.  _dynamicdems   Apr-03-06 01:46 PM   #39 
     - If that's the tack you're gonna take...  MercutioATC   Apr-04-06 01:49 AM   #95 
  - You might not want to but you can't say  China_cat   Apr-03-06 01:48 PM   #40 
     - No, you insist on bringing it up to justify your first post  Karenca   Apr-03-06 03:29 PM   #54 
     - I agree with you. The urge to survive is strong and the urge to see  _dynamicdems   Apr-03-06 08:14 PM   #78 
  - So is man!  0007   Apr-03-06 01:18 PM   #30 
  - This is what pocket was referring to.  China_cat   Apr-03-06 01:50 PM   #43 
     - yes :D  pocket   Apr-03-06 03:13 PM   #53 
  - that's a rather low standard, really  MisterP   Apr-03-06 05:39 PM   #57 
  - I don't get it  Sgent   Apr-03-06 06:31 PM   #60 
  - It's not n/t  Karenca   Apr-03-06 06:34 PM   #61 
  - It is not  Debau2005   Apr-03-06 06:51 PM   #62 
     - I don't either  Karenca   Apr-03-06 07:03 PM   #68 
        - I became a  Debau2005   Apr-03-06 07:10 PM   #71 
  - I'm trying to educate myself  tll   Apr-03-06 06:51 PM   #63 
  - Well said...nt  Debau2005   Apr-03-06 07:07 PM   #70 
  - Thank you for you thoughtful and informed post tll.  CottonBear   Apr-03-06 09:44 PM   #87 
  - I haven't met too many horse people with the 'wrong' politics!  tll   Apr-03-06 10:28 PM   #90 
  - Very well stated!  Greylyn58   Apr-04-06 10:05 AM   #109 
  - Any limits on slaughter are welcome  november3rd   Apr-03-06 07:06 PM   #69 
  - and because I can't keep my trap shut  tll   Apr-03-06 07:29 PM   #76 
  - I would have no problem with eating horsemeat...  Odin2005   Apr-03-06 10:04 PM   #88 
  - Do they kill the wild horses  BlackHeart   Apr-03-06 10:56 PM   #92 
  - The used to, and probably still do in some cases.  igil   Apr-04-06 10:02 AM   #107 
     - Becuase their ancestors did good deeds  BlackHeart   Apr-04-06 10:34 AM   #112 
  - There is certainly a spectrum of views concerning the consumption of meat  entanglement   Apr-03-06 11:34 PM   #93 
  - so????  HuffleClaw   Apr-04-06 12:10 AM   #94 
  - They shouldn't be killed for food  mmonk   Apr-04-06 06:58 AM   #98 
  - What about free-range horses? n/t  igil   Apr-04-06 10:03 AM   #108 
     - Wild horses belong to the American public and live on public land.  CottonBear   Apr-04-06 11:03 AM   #114 
  - And in India, Cows are sacred.......  dbackjon   Apr-04-06 09:54 AM   #104 
  - Well then, let them eat their own horses and not ours. n/t  CottonBear   Apr-04-06 10:48 AM   #113 
  - If they are going to be eaten  DrGonzoLives   Apr-04-06 10:02 AM   #106 
  - Why should we push our taboos on other cultures?  AngryAmish   Apr-04-06 10:09 AM   #110 

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