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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 03:14 PM
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34. You know, I've just thought of something after rereading his article ~
Edited on Sun Mar-12-06 03:29 PM by Catrina
This is what made me think of it:

When the Tribune searched for Plame on an Internet service that sells public information about private individuals to its subscribers, it got a report of more than 7,600 words. Included was the fact that in the early 1990s her address was "AMERICAN EMBASSY ATHENS ST, APO NEW YORK NY 09255."

There were several threads on DU about a week ago regarding a company ~ I wish I could remember the details, that did 'data mining' and I think it had to do with the domestic spying issue. DUers did some research into it and discovered that it had information on every American in its data base.

As I recall, this company was working with either DHS and/or the intelligence community. It got attention when it accidentally released information on several thousand people a few months ago ~ which caused huge problems with ID theft.

Also, there was the story on Americablog (I think) about being able to buy telephone records online and John Aravosis actually found he was able to buy Gen. Clark's cell phone records during the election period for about $100.00.

The question was 'how did this Internet company get the records?' No one seems to have investigated that, but the theory was the information was being sold by the big company I mentioned above ~

I'm not sure why that article reminded me of all this, and I wish I knew how to search for those threads, but if this is what this reporter is using to say that 'information was easily obtained on Valerie Plame' I don't think that would have been true three years ago, unless it was done by someone who knew at the time, that this company existed and had the information.

Now, I'm thinking that Cheney, Rove et al, may have thought of selling the info online to make it look like it was all over the place. What I don't know is for how long you could buy this information.

Gen. Clark supposedly was asking for legislation making it illegal. I would have though it should have been illegal all along.

Interestingly, this whole story has gone away, and now this reporter says he was able to get the information the same way John Aravosis got it.

So, my question is ~ did Rove et al use the Data Mining company (rightwing, as I recall) to release info to entrepreneurs who then sold it online, AFTER the Libby indictment??

I guess I'm asking 'how long has it been possible to buy phone records, CIA info etc. online?' and I would think this reporter ought to be asking the same question. Because it's very relevant to what he's claiming.

Fitzgerald shot down their (pre-planned) propaganda story that 'everyone knew, her neighbors knew' when he sent agents out to talk to the neighbors. But this would be another way to undermine his claim that this was not so.

Important questions ~

'why is no one disturbed by the fact that information on the CIA can be bought online?' and 'How long has it been possible to buy it the way this reporter says he did?' and
'Who told him he could get it online?'

Maybe he should think about how he was led to the information, and tell us who led him there. If he wasn't aware of the data-mining story ~ (I think it was on a thread started by Larisa from Raw Story) ~ it's possible he is being used ~

Shouldn't the Bush administration be super disturbed by this? So far, there's been no reaction at all from the WH. which always makes me suspicious ~ they jump on reporters, but not on people who out undercover agents ~ when they're not too upset about something like this, it makes me think it's going exactly the way they wanted it to! Or maybe I'm just getting paranoid ~
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  -Chicago Tribune: Plame's identity, if truly a secret, was thinly veiled sabra  Mar-12-06 09:48 AM   #0 
  - Oh, brother, they've got to be kidding with that headline.  quiet.american   Mar-12-06 09:51 AM   #1 
  - that's not the headline  Rich Hunt   Mar-12-06 02:51 PM   #32 
     - That is the headline, but you're apparently referring to a different one  quiet.american   Mar-12-06 06:35 PM   #48 
  - so, she worked at an embassy?  NewJeffCT   Mar-12-06 09:51 AM   #2 
  - ...and her husband was an ambassador?  sofa king   Mar-12-06 03:32 PM   #35 
  - Who is this weasel that wrote this POS?  yourout   Mar-12-06 09:57 AM   #3 
  - the Trib had another piece that reported how easy it is  sabra   Mar-12-06 10:00 AM   #5 
  - Self Delete...  yourout   Mar-12-06 09:57 AM   #4 
  - Nobody had any idea she was working on WMD in Iran.  The Backlash Cometh   Mar-12-06 10:03 AM   #6 
  - The Republican twits are STILL pretending she wasn't undercover??  leesa   Mar-12-06 10:03 AM   #7 
  - IT'S STILL ILLEGAL  Diogenes17   Mar-12-06 10:05 AM   #8 
  - Excellent point. n/t  quiet.american   Mar-12-06 01:10 PM   #24 
  - Chicago Tribune? Say no more.  Media_Lies_Daily   Mar-12-06 10:08 AM   #9 
  - "the leading voice of midwestern conservativism"  joefree1   Mar-12-06 10:54 AM   #15 
     - After 5 years of reading the Des Moines Register,  mycritters2   Mar-12-06 04:03 PM   #38 
  - Talking Points Distributed, Undigested, presented as is  boobooday   Mar-12-06 10:09 AM   #10 
  - So, if it's "easy" to uncover, it's not a secret?  gratuitous   Mar-12-06 10:09 AM   #11 
  - There is no question her cover was secret - the Chicago Trib  Rex   Mar-12-06 10:11 AM   #12 
  - what do you expect from the chicago tribuine  still_one   Mar-12-06 10:13 AM   #13 
  - I read this crap at the kitchen table this morning, write to the reporter  never cry wolf   Mar-12-06 10:48 AM   #14 
  - Again it shows,  agincourt   Mar-12-06 11:16 AM   #16 
  - Yes, but what's strange about this reporter (I just did a search on him)  Catrina   Mar-12-06 11:41 AM   #17 
     - So it's even more disingenuous than I thought. His article makes  fob   Mar-12-06 12:09 PM   #20 
        - Yes, for someone who back in the seventies and eighties was fighting  Catrina   Mar-12-06 12:46 PM   #21 
        - YOU should have written the article.  NYC   Mar-12-06 01:26 PM   #26 
        - You know, I've just thought of something after rereading his article ~  Catrina   Mar-12-06 03:14 PM   #34 
           - Was it ChoicePoint?  NYC   Mar-12-06 03:53 PM   #37 
           - Choice Point  mahatmakanejeeves   Mar-12-06 04:07 PM   #39 
              - DBT is the Florida division of ChoicePoint.  NYC   Mar-12-06 04:34 PM   #43 
           - Database gives access to fake firms. Is that what you mean?  NYC   Mar-12-06 04:30 PM   #42 
              - Yes, yes, thank you! That's what I was trying to remember. I just tried  Catrina   Mar-12-06 05:15 PM   #44 
                 - Maybe they truly don't care about the information being available.  NYC   Mar-12-06 06:31 PM   #47 
        - Maybe he got an offer he couldn't refuse ??  Ouabache   Mar-12-06 10:43 PM   #51 
           - Yes, I thought about that ~ or, he's been taken in by someone telling him  Catrina   Mar-13-06 12:23 AM   #52 
        - that's the point  Rich Hunt   Mar-12-06 02:54 PM   #33 
  - The link is a subscriber link...  MrPrax   Mar-12-06 12:02 PM   #18 
  - I wonder what this reporter would have to say regarding the article  fob   Mar-12-06 12:04 PM   #19 
  - Kick  Moderator   Mar-12-06 01:01 PM   #22 
  - Trying to Weaken the Prosecution?  stepnw1f   Mar-12-06 01:02 PM   #23 
  - Sheesh, talk about a deliberately misleading headline  brentspeak   Mar-12-06 01:22 PM   #25 
  - Internet blows CIA agents' cover (BBC News)  Up2Late   Mar-12-06 02:21 PM   #27 
  - This info was posted yesterday as well  OKNancy   Mar-12-06 05:59 PM   #46 
  - a little late for that headline  drthais   Mar-12-06 02:24 PM   #28 
  - Exacttly!! He found it NOW! Who put it there and when?  Catrina   Mar-12-06 03:36 PM   #36 
     - I found a Data Mining website the other day, it's kind of scary what...  Up2Late   Mar-12-06 08:14 PM   #49 
  - IF truly a secret ?????  HuffleClaw   Mar-12-06 02:26 PM   #29 
  - There is no "if" about this. The CIA said she was covert!!! Fitz would not  Mandate My Ass   Mar-12-06 02:44 PM   #31 
  - My reply to Crewdson  magellan   Mar-12-06 02:37 PM   #30 
  - Damn faulty logic  magellan   Mar-12-06 04:21 PM   #40 
  - It's like saying X robbed a bank  daleo   Mar-12-06 04:30 PM   #41 
  - Another article about their ( the Tribune's) methods and investigation  OKNancy   Mar-12-06 05:38 PM   #45 
  - sniff sniff sniff...I smell Rove  BareNakedLiberal   Mar-12-06 10:23 PM   #50 
 

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