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Sat Feb-25-06 01:39 PM
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| 80. What Waste of Life Fighting Amongst Ourselves |
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I see this happening in our own country if we don't wise up. On the other hand, I understand it is very hard.
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| -Riots erupt in Dublin |
whirlygigspin |
Feb-25-06 11:33 AM |
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There's a reason they're the "fightin' irish.' |
Mythsaje |
Feb-25-06 11:36 AM |
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it's not "amongst themselves" when it's that segregated. |
bettyellen |
Feb-25-06 11:42 AM |
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At this point in time the issues ARE big |
Mythsaje |
Feb-25-06 11:46 AM |
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you saddle the celts with a sterotype created by those who invaded |
bettyellen |
Feb-25-06 12:32 PM |
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The brits didn't sort anything out... |
Mythsaje |
Feb-25-06 12:34 PM |
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you're promoting negative sterotypes here about the irish. |
bettyellen |
Feb-25-06 12:37 PM |
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The brits called EVERYONE savages... |
Mythsaje |
Feb-25-06 12:43 PM |
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Yes England did capitalize on the fighting and distrust |
jwirr |
Feb-25-06 10:07 PM |
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Being called "savages" by imperialists is really stunning. n/t |
cantstandbush |
Feb-25-06 10:18 PM |
#133 |
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Tell that to the Bog Man |
hedgehog |
Feb-25-06 12:45 PM |
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Sorta the same thing as we say about the Islamic sects.... n/t |
cantstandbush |
Feb-25-06 10:17 PM |
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"Fighting Irish" ? "Piddly ass"? |
hedgehog |
Feb-25-06 12:16 PM |
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I really wish they'd stop killing each other... |
Mythsaje |
Feb-25-06 12:28 PM |
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their inherant need for to foster grudges? how racist can you get? |
bettyellen |
Feb-25-06 12:34 PM |
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Did you not see the word "seemingly?" |
Mythsaje |
Feb-25-06 12:40 PM |
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you say the celts are notorious for this "sort of thing" |
bettyellen |
Feb-25-06 12:54 PM |
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Religion is a tool |
Mythsaje |
Feb-25-06 12:58 PM |
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your knowledge of irish history seems to overshadow the current reality |
bettyellen |
Feb-25-06 01:03 PM |
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The 'Celts' were not only Irish ~ of course there were battles |
Catrina |
Feb-25-06 01:09 PM |
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I understand the Hunger Strike |
Mythsaje |
Feb-25-06 01:11 PM |
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And the Irish are not only "Celts".... |
Bridget Burke |
Mar-01-06 10:17 AM |
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Not racist, but definitely prejudice. |
haruka3_2000 |
Feb-25-06 05:56 PM |
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I know it... |
Mythsaje |
Feb-25-06 08:00 PM |
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Now I know you're daft |
MADem |
Feb-26-06 03:42 PM |
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Not really... |
regnaD kciN |
Feb-25-06 12:31 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Feb-25-06 12:36 PM |
#43 |
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too bad you've never been to northern Ireland |
CountAllVotes |
Feb-25-06 11:42 AM |
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Believe me, I know... |
Mythsaje |
Feb-25-06 11:48 AM |
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Very well said! |
augie38 |
Feb-25-06 12:03 PM |
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exactly, if the OP had been there, they'd know better.... |
bettyellen |
Feb-25-06 12:58 PM |
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I'm not the OP |
Mythsaje |
Feb-25-06 01:10 PM |
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*sigh* ~ the conflict in the North of Ireland was not about religion ~ |
Catrina |
Feb-25-06 01:20 PM |
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They were colonists? |
Mythsaje |
Feb-25-06 01:26 PM |
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wow. so that's why you kept saying they were the same people.... |
bettyellen |
Feb-25-06 01:35 PM |
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Gotcha. |
Mythsaje |
Feb-25-06 01:38 PM |
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if you want to know more, i'd suggest reading up on |
bettyellen |
Feb-25-06 01:56 PM |
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I never thought it was about religion... |
Mythsaje |
Feb-25-06 02:03 PM |
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the civilized people thing is a joke, when you consider the source of |
bettyellen |
Feb-25-06 02:18 PM |
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Ireland has a fascinating history |
redwitch |
Feb-25-06 02:50 PM |
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Religion is definitely part of the conflict |
muriel_volestrangler |
Feb-25-06 03:30 PM |
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Hmmm.. examples that disprove this myth |
CONN |
Feb-25-06 04:38 PM |
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"Part of", "a major factor" - I didn't say "all of " n/t |
muriel_volestrangler |
Feb-25-06 06:40 PM |
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class warfare plain and simple |
redwitch |
Feb-25-06 05:02 PM |
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Define your classes |
muriel_volestrangler |
Feb-25-06 06:47 PM |
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the people in charge and the average smucks |
redwitch |
Feb-25-06 08:11 PM |
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Again, religion merely symbolized either loyalty or disloyalty to the King |
Catrina |
Feb-25-06 05:14 PM |
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But when James II was expelled from England |
muriel_volestrangler |
Feb-25-06 06:52 PM |
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There's been a resurgence in interest |
Mythsaje |
Feb-25-06 08:04 PM |
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I've just returned from Ireland...where I heard Irish spoken |
mcscajun |
Mar-01-06 08:33 AM |
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Well, you just made my point. As I said, religion was not the cause of |
Catrina |
Feb-25-06 09:30 PM |
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I must differ on the state of the Irish language |
Maeve |
Feb-26-06 07:53 AM |
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Yes, you're right that the efforts to restore the language have increased |
Catrina |
Feb-26-06 04:58 PM |
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Yes, exactly! And thank you for keeping an open mind. The Irish have not |
Catrina |
Feb-25-06 03:10 PM |
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It wasn't always done with Protestants |
JNelson6563 |
Feb-25-06 06:48 PM |
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More to "beyond the Pale" |
mcscajun |
Mar-01-06 08:12 AM |
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one source for colonialisation...a genealogical one |
bobbieinok |
Feb-25-06 09:08 PM |
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Londonderry/Derry |
mcscajun |
Mar-01-06 08:15 AM |
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You're right |
RagingInMiami |
Feb-25-06 01:28 PM |
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Damn... |
Mythsaje |
Feb-25-06 01:33 PM |
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In Northern Ireland |
RagingInMiami |
Feb-25-06 01:41 PM |
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Sounds like a class issue to me... |
Mythsaje |
Feb-25-06 01:44 PM |
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50/50 |
sg_ |
Feb-25-06 01:46 PM |
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Is that a new requirement? |
RagingInMiami |
Feb-25-06 01:58 PM |
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AND the money.....AND the opportunities.. |
annabanana |
Feb-25-06 01:49 PM |
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The split is closer to 55-45 now |
Maeve |
Feb-25-06 01:53 PM |
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Thanks for keeping me updated |
RagingInMiami |
Feb-25-06 01:55 PM |
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I frequent some Irish political discussion boards |
Maeve |
Feb-25-06 01:58 PM |
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The west is beautiful |
RagingInMiami |
Feb-25-06 02:04 PM |
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Important |
sg_ |
Feb-25-06 02:09 PM |
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If you talk about violent crime, no question it's safe |
Maeve |
Feb-25-06 02:34 PM |
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Someday I'd like to visit... |
Mythsaje |
Feb-25-06 02:46 PM |
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you're correct |
CONN |
Feb-25-06 02:38 PM |
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the catholics poulation has grown faster, last i read, they were supposed |
bettyellen |
Feb-25-06 02:06 PM |
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I've read that too -- maybe then Diebold will handle the elections... |
LostinVA |
Feb-25-06 08:55 PM |
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Class has nothing to do with it anymore.... |
BooScout |
Feb-26-06 04:19 PM |
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read Catrina's posts here to get some understanding... |
bettyellen |
Feb-25-06 01:27 PM |
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I just did... |
Mythsaje |
Feb-25-06 01:30 PM |
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Go back to the times of Henry II. EVERYONE WAS CATHOLIC, it had |
acmavm |
Feb-25-06 02:21 PM |
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parallels with native Americans... |
CONN |
Feb-25-06 02:51 PM |
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Agreed -- this is apartheid, pure and simple |
LostinVA |
Feb-25-06 07:00 PM |
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Actually, some of their reasons are quite legit. |
smirkymonkey |
Feb-25-06 11:42 AM |
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No we don't! And I'll fight anyone of ya that says we do! |
Itchinjim |
Feb-25-06 11:44 AM |
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I once met a visitor from Ireland |
Mythsaje |
Feb-25-06 12:02 PM |
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Among themselves?? |
augie38 |
Feb-25-06 11:44 AM |
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Are you kidding me? |
Mythsaje |
Feb-25-06 11:49 AM |
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Talking about recent history... say last 500 years. |
augie38 |
Feb-25-06 12:00 PM |
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Indeed... |
Mythsaje |
Feb-25-06 12:03 PM |
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800 years since the invasion ... |
CountAllVotes |
Feb-25-06 12:07 PM |
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And they need to recognize that |
Mythsaje |
Feb-25-06 12:08 PM |
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They are not one people! |
haruka3_2000 |
Feb-25-06 06:05 PM |
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amen |
LeftofU |
Feb-25-06 06:50 PM |
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They aren't one people |
LostinVA |
Feb-25-06 07:09 PM |
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Amen!!! |
augie38 |
Feb-25-06 12:13 PM |
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Translation... |
regnaD kciN |
Feb-25-06 12:36 PM |
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Finally, religion is brought into the discussion. Ha.! |
augie38 |
Feb-25-06 02:20 PM |
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Some of them cooperated with us Norse too. |
Hardrada |
Feb-25-06 12:09 PM |
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True enough... |
Mythsaje |
Feb-25-06 12:10 PM |
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`Scuse me, but maybe some education as to what English |
Warpy |
Feb-25-06 11:45 AM |
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I understand that... |
Mythsaje |
Feb-25-06 11:50 AM |
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It can be considered akin to a Nazi rally in Jerusalem |
LostinVA |
Feb-25-06 07:10 PM |
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excuse me.. |
ananda |
Feb-25-06 12:03 PM |
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Except the ones who march in orange |
Mythsaje |
Feb-25-06 12:06 PM |
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This coming from a someone who resides in the USA? |
TomClash |
Feb-25-06 12:06 PM |
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I'm not criticizing... |
Mythsaje |
Feb-25-06 12:10 PM |
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Wow, right in the middle of Dublin |
Scairp |
Feb-25-06 05:37 PM |
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A suggestion... |
haruka3_2000 |
Feb-25-06 05:52 PM |
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Racist much? Your posts drip with racism and steroetypes |
LostinVA |
Feb-25-06 06:58 PM |
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There's a reason youre a "giant asshole" |
name not needed |
Feb-25-06 11:11 PM |
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Piddly ass reasons??? |
MADem |
Feb-26-06 03:35 PM |
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Bad decision |
sg_ |
Feb-25-06 11:44 AM |
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hi! |
CountAllVotes |
Feb-25-06 11:52 AM |
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Omg, I love that: Osama 'I'm still free, how about you'. If it isn't a |
Catrina |
Feb-25-06 12:05 PM |
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That's really what drives me nuts about it... |
Mythsaje |
Feb-25-06 12:07 PM |
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at least your family did not succumb and drop the "O" |
CountAllVotes |
Feb-25-06 12:31 PM |
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My family has always been proud |
Mythsaje |
Feb-25-06 12:44 PM |
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Well, since I was born and grew up there, (south of the border) and have |
Catrina |
Feb-25-06 12:40 PM |
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I think Ireland should belong to the Irish |
Mythsaje |
Feb-25-06 12:47 PM |
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Ah, another descendent of King Niall...! |
regnaD kciN |
Feb-25-06 12:48 PM |
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Well, from what I've heard from my ex |
Mythsaje |
Feb-25-06 12:51 PM |
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The parade... |
sg_ |
Feb-25-06 12:19 PM |
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And as good as the other!!! |
Mythsaje |
Feb-25-06 12:32 PM |
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To answer your question... |
regnaD kciN |
Feb-25-06 12:51 PM |
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There's deep truth in THAT statement. n/t |
Mythsaje |
Feb-25-06 12:52 PM |
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Cheers! |
sg_ |
Feb-25-06 12:27 PM |
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thanks! |
CountAllVotes |
Feb-25-06 12:29 PM |
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Welcome to DU, sg_ .... |
hwmnbn |
Feb-25-06 11:53 AM |
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Welcome to DU... |
Mythsaje |
Feb-25-06 11:54 AM |
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Thanks. |
sg_ |
Feb-25-06 12:22 PM |
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That's good... |
Mythsaje |
Feb-25-06 01:01 PM |
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But what was the parade |
RagingInMiami |
Feb-25-06 12:40 PM |
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What was the point of the parade? More Irish Republican bashing |
CONN |
Feb-25-06 01:30 PM |
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Very selective... |
sg_ |
Feb-25-06 01:37 PM |
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Not really... |
CONN |
Feb-25-06 02:28 PM |
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I wish they would give more details on the "Love Ulster" rally |
RagingInMiami |
Feb-25-06 12:36 PM |
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here's the BBC linked story (with video) |
whirlygigspin |
Feb-25-06 01:00 PM |
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So it was a loyalist march |
RagingInMiami |
Feb-25-06 01:24 PM |
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From what I understood... |
sg_ |
Feb-25-06 01:02 PM |
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Even the Irish don't like these Klan-like marches |
CONN |
Feb-25-06 01:18 PM |
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What Waste of Life Fighting Amongst Ourselves |
stepnw1f |
Feb-25-06 01:39 PM |
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Be careful, Dubliners. The US is coming to get you. |
Malikshah |
Feb-25-06 01:53 PM |
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Here's the report from RTE in Dublin |
TomClash |
Feb-25-06 01:59 PM |
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Background info on 'Love Ulster' Campaign from Socialist Democracy |
CONN |
Feb-25-06 02:36 PM |
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i can't blame them for protesting the love ulster parade. |
xchrom |
Feb-25-06 03:32 PM |
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It was the 'chavs/townies'... |
sg_ |
Feb-26-06 04:11 PM |
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welcome to du |
xchrom |
Feb-26-06 05:03 PM |
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hmmm just local kids looking for an excuse for mayhem... |
CONN |
Feb-26-06 06:29 PM |
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Why do the Irish want to attack free speech? Irish need to get over |
Harper_is_Bush |
Feb-26-06 04:06 PM |
#138 |
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Can't tell the difference between a march and a cartoon, eh? |
newfaceinhell |
Mar-01-06 11:54 AM |
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Hello from Dublin, Ireland |
Chomp |
Feb-26-06 07:43 PM |
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Heres another Dubliner member of DU |
Tripmann |
Mar-01-06 09:38 AM |
#148 |
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the best analysis |
conning |
Mar-01-06 10:01 AM |
#149 |
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