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TeeYiYi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 12:21 AM
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'No President has lied so baldly and so often and so demonstrably'
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'No President has lied so baldly and so often and so demonstrably'

By Andrew Gumbel

09 November 2003

"The intelligence process is a bit like virginity," says Ray McGovern, who worked as a CIA analyst for 27 years. "Once you prostitute it, it's never the same. Your credibility never recovers.

"Watching what has happened with Iraq over the past several months has been like watching your daughter being raped."

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"Now we know that no other President of the United States has ever lied so baldly and so often and so demonstrably ... The presumption now has to be that he's lying any time that he's saying anything."

"Unless what has happened in the past year and a half is recognised as a scandal, in which the CIA has been badly abused, then there's no hope," he said. "I pin my hopes mostly on the press these days. Turns out, surprise surprise, that even the US press doesn't like to be lied to."

More: http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?...

TYY



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  -'No President has lied so baldly and so often and so demonstrably' TeeYiYi  Nov-09-03 12:21 AM   #0 
  - The US Press May Not Like To Be Lied Too  Don_G   Nov-09-03 12:32 AM   #1 
  - The Media Is Still Protecting Jr., In Hopes  otohara   Nov-09-03 12:57 AM   #3 
  - Yes, it looks like we are headed for fascism and what is  schultzee   Nov-09-03 01:09 AM   #5 
  - otohara, I think they're better than state-run  dbt   Nov-09-03 05:23 AM   #10 
  - Looks to me like the govt. is corporate run  kayell   Nov-09-03 06:23 AM   #13 
     - Little Abner in the comic striips said it first:  reprobate   Nov-09-03 11:08 AM   #26 
  - What's the old saying  corarose   Nov-09-03 02:15 AM   #8 
  - You said it! What's "Bartcop's Myth of the Liberal Media"?  BiggJawn   Nov-09-03 08:18 AM   #22 
  - In my rosy scenario  realpolitik   Nov-10-03 01:40 AM   #32 
  - Great find, TeeYiYi!  Billy_Pilgrim   Nov-09-03 12:43 AM   #2 
  - Thanks BP. . . I'm cautiously optimistic . . .  TeeYiYi   Nov-09-03 01:02 AM   #4 
  - Notice . . .  lfairban   Nov-09-03 01:10 AM   #6 
  - If this makes it across the pond (which I doubt)...  Buns_of_Fire   Nov-09-03 02:00 AM   #7 
     - misspoke, you mean.  truthisfreedom   Nov-09-03 05:50 AM   #11 
        - I correct myself...  Buns_of_Fire   Nov-09-03 07:40 AM   #20 
  - Perfect description of the process. n/t  Merlin   Nov-09-03 02:44 AM   #9 
  - I hope you're right  union_maid   Nov-09-03 05:59 AM   #12 
     - Kinda makes you wonder why they back off, huh?  lunabush   Nov-09-03 05:37 PM   #30 
  - Move along now, nothing to see, it's just  kayell   Nov-09-03 06:34 AM   #14 
  - I was going to post this as a thread  Thankfully_in_Britain   Nov-09-03 06:51 AM   #15 
  - I think you should post it as a seperate thread  kayell   Nov-09-03 06:57 AM   #16 
     - Yep, my story IS a dupe  Thankfully_in_Britain   Nov-09-03 07:25 AM   #18 
        - Thanks, saw the dupe, bumped it, Good story.  kayell   Nov-09-03 07:30 AM   #19 
  - This is all very nice but...  Flubadubya   Nov-09-03 06:58 AM   #17 
  - We all must realize that junior is just a front....  0007   Nov-09-03 07:47 AM   #21 
  - Front or not, he took the oath  kayell   Nov-09-03 08:20 AM   #23 
  - Want to see a picute of the politico-media future?  Davis_X_Machina   Nov-09-03 09:27 AM   #24 
  - I'm reading that right now. One of my first thoughts is that  catzies   Nov-09-03 10:51 AM   #25 
  - This Is The Truth  The Magistrate   Nov-09-03 05:12 PM   #27 
  - Unfortunately, McGovern is right  Jack Rabbit   Nov-09-03 05:20 PM   #28 
  - Nail on the head Andrew Gumbel  JoFerret   Nov-09-03 05:22 PM   #29 
     - kick  pfitz59   Nov-10-03 01:13 AM   #31 
 

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