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42. I think it's Echelon turned inwards. So does Tice.
I think it's Echelon turned inwards. So does Tice.

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Inside the Puzzle Palace
A Reason interview with NSA whistleblower Russell Tice

Tice: I've thought about this for a while, and as I said, I can't tell you how things are done, but I can foresee it, especially with what we've seen now. We're finding out that NSA conducted surveillance on U.S. citizens. And FISA could have been used but wasn't, was sidestepped. No one even made the attempt to see if they had a problem they could have fixed through FISA.

That would lead one to ask the question: "Why did they omit the FISA court?"

I would think one reason that is possible is that perhaps a system already existed that you could do this with, and all you had to do is change the venue. And if that's the case, and this system was a broad brush system, a vacuum cleaner that just sucks things up, this huge systematic approach to monitoring these calls, processing them, and filtering themthen ultimately a machine does 98.8 percent of your work. What you come out with from a haystack is a shoebox full of straw. Once you have that, you have people that can look at it.

Now here's an interesting question: If this approach was used, and hundreds of thousands if not millions of communications were processed in that manner, and then if and when the truth ever came out, a lawyerand I think lawyers are going to be arguing semantics in this casethe argument could be made, well, if a machine was doing the looking and the sucking in, it doesn't matter because that's not monitoring until a human looks at it.

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  -Bush illegally spied on Americans prior to 9-11 Vyan  Jan-13-06 01:50 PM   #0 
  - This will never see the light of day  Blutodog   Jan-13-06 01:54 PM   #1 
  - Ye of little faith...  fooj   Jan-13-06 01:56 PM   #3 
  - I beg to differ  Steve A Play   Jan-13-06 02:01 PM   #8 
  - We aren't the media  Blutodog   Jan-13-06 06:53 PM   #33 
     - It gets on Olbermann :)  Catchawave   Jan-14-06 11:47 AM   #64 
  - bet fox is desperately looking for a young blonde kidnap victim  superconnected   Jan-13-06 02:37 PM   #15 
  - Ummm, they got one already..... a redhead though, not blonde  BreakForNews   Jan-13-06 04:41 PM   #30 
  - If it does  slestak   Jan-13-06 04:28 PM   #29 
     - Except the article clearly states: W personally changed long standing  robbedvoter   Jan-14-06 07:23 AM   #45 
  - Anybody think that the Senate anthrax attacks were part of the program?  ozymandius   Jan-13-06 01:56 PM   #2 
  - When you consider the anthrax was sent to Dems and Media...  fooj   Jan-13-06 01:58 PM   #4 
  - How much you want to be that they KNOW who sent the anthrax.  The Backlash Cometh   Jan-14-06 12:18 PM   #69 
     - OF COURSE they know who sent the Anthrax  Papa   Jan-14-06 10:28 PM   #99 
        - yep  spooked911   Jan-15-06 05:55 PM   #111 
  - YES..n/t  Catamount   Jan-13-06 02:41 PM   #16 
  - Absolutely nt  Libby2   Jan-14-06 06:48 AM   #44 
  - You bet.  nicknameless   Jan-14-06 08:23 AM   #51 
  - No doubt. Anthrax was an extension of 9/11, and 9/11 was an inside job  spooked911   Jan-15-06 05:33 PM   #110 
  - yeah....  geomon666   Jan-13-06 01:59 PM   #5 
  - Now this is a great point. Tell.  cantstandbush   Jan-13-06 02:59 PM   #22 
  - That probably won't hunt...  Vyan   Jan-13-06 03:11 PM   #23 
     - But they were already sharing the information with members of the  hang a left   Jan-14-06 08:15 AM   #49 
  - Yes, I thought  Jawja   Jan-14-06 08:19 AM   #50 
  - Yeah, that kinda' blows their assertion that IF they had spied before 9/11  ClintonTyree   Jan-14-06 12:07 PM   #66 
  - My thoughts exactly  janetle   Jan-14-06 02:52 PM   #77 
     - Esp. when Cheney said they would have stopped the attacks if...  janetle   Jan-14-06 02:54 PM   #78 
  - More details...  Vyan   Jan-13-06 01:59 PM   #6 
  - It really doesn't matter what Clinton said........  ClintonTyree   Jan-14-06 04:24 PM   #83 
  - Indeed, long before 9/11.  igil   Jan-13-06 02:01 PM   #7 
  - No, Clinton isn't wrong...  Vyan   Jan-13-06 02:03 PM   #9 
     - My point was that Clinton said he  igil   Jan-13-06 06:53 PM   #32 
        - The report doesn't...  Vyan   Jan-14-06 11:31 PM   #101 
  - Nominated for greatest Page!  LiberalVoice   Jan-13-06 02:04 PM   #10 
  - Another B* Whopper. K&R  sfexpat2000   Jan-13-06 02:24 PM   #11 
  - K & R  AverageJoe   Jan-13-06 02:25 PM   #12 
  - It was something-HOP for sure.  elehhhhna   Jan-13-06 02:31 PM   #13 
  - Thank you. My senator now knows this...  Gregorian   Jan-13-06 02:37 PM   #14 
  - I think a lot of Senators...  Vyan   Jan-13-06 02:54 PM   #18 
     - Unfortunately,  PegDAC   Jan-14-06 06:38 PM   #94 
  - Kick  LeftHander   Jan-13-06 02:48 PM   #17 
  - Not sure that an approach to telecoms regarding cooperation in  leveymg   Jan-13-06 02:58 PM   #19 
  - Un-effing-believable..and yet the planes STILL managed to hit  AzDar   Jan-13-06 02:58 PM   #20 
  - That was a compartmentalized operation.  leveymg   Jan-13-06 03:44 PM   #26 
  - Dupe.  AzDar   Jan-13-06 02:58 PM   #21 
  - No More Excuses!!! IMPEACH HIM NOW!!!!  stepnw1f   Jan-13-06 03:19 PM   #24 
  - RIGHT! how many more examples of executive abuse, scandal and corruption  wordpix   Jan-14-06 09:10 AM   #56 
     - I'd Like to Know..  stepnw1f   Jan-14-06 06:38 PM   #93 
  - Once you commit the first lie...the rest come easier...  NoAmericanTaliban   Jan-13-06 03:31 PM   #25 
  - SURPRISE!!  Michigander4Dean   Jan-13-06 04:17 PM   #27 
  - Randi Rhodes is going off on this right now.  0007   Jan-13-06 04:19 PM   #28 
  - Good...  Vyan   Jan-14-06 11:01 AM   #62 
  - Hell, I can imagine that a secret part of the FIB;  greiner3   Jan-13-06 05:09 PM   #31 
  - So this proves two things ...  BattyDem   Jan-13-06 07:09 PM   #34 
  - and that he knew about 9/11 (eom)  leQ   Jan-14-06 09:08 AM   #55 
  - Parallel thread.  dutchdemocrat   Jan-13-06 07:21 PM   #35 
  - Other key quotes  dutchdemocrat   Jan-13-06 07:30 PM   #36 
  - This nails it as far as I am concerned.  Phoebe Loosinhouse   Jan-13-06 07:49 PM   #37 
  - but he didn't read the aug pdb "Bin laden determined to strike the US"  chimpsrsmarter   Jan-13-06 07:51 PM   #38 
  - Converted Docs - Jewel in here somewhere?  dutchdemocrat   Jan-13-06 08:21 PM   #39 
  - kick for NSA whistleblowerers  psychopomp   Jan-13-06 09:52 PM   #40 
  - But, but Cheney just said if they had been wiretaping before 9/11  dflprincess   Jan-13-06 09:55 PM   #41 
  - Yeah, I guess this debunks that talking point  ComerPerro   Jan-14-06 11:58 AM   #65 
  - I think it's Echelon turned inwards. So does Tice.  dutchdemocrat   Jan-14-06 04:54 AM   #42 
  - I'm waiting to hear from ACLU since they obtained list of NSA targets  wordpix   Jan-14-06 10:50 AM   #59 
  - I think it's Echelon turned inwards. So does Tice.  dutchdemocrat   Jan-14-06 04:54 AM   #43 
  - No more blaming Clinton. Important Risen info  robbedvoter   Jan-14-06 07:25 AM   #46 
  - Important: W personally changed long standing policies  robbedvoter   Jan-14-06 07:29 AM   #47 
  - I have to say again....  Rigby Reardon   Jan-14-06 07:57 AM   #48 
  - Not true  WhereIsMyFreedom   Jan-14-06 09:38 AM   #57 
  - Yeah right. Then what is this article about?  spooked911   Jan-15-06 05:26 PM   #106 
  - Impeachment time!  Julius Civitatus   Jan-14-06 08:48 AM   #52 
  - what this tells me is that bush knew 9/11 would happen  leQ   Jan-14-06 09:06 AM   #53 
  - LIHOP or MIHOP. Those are the ONLY options now available to help us....  Media_Lies_Daily   Jan-14-06 10:56 AM   #61 
  - Definitely proves LIHOP. One step closer to MIHOP.  TankLV   Jan-14-06 09:39 PM   #98 
  - His administration knew it was going to happen  spooked911   Jan-15-06 05:24 PM   #105 
  - what this tells me is that bush knew 9/11 would happen  leQ   Jan-14-06 09:07 AM   #54 
  - lies and more lies from BushCo  wordpix   Jan-14-06 10:43 AM   #58 
  - This info. will come in handy  DemonFighterLives   Jan-14-06 10:54 AM   #60 
  - Surprise...surprise....NOT.  zann725   Jan-14-06 11:43 AM   #63 
  - So that's how they pulled it off.  dailykoff   Jan-14-06 12:12 PM   #67 
  - Filegate! Filegate!  The Backlash Cometh   Jan-14-06 12:12 PM   #68 
  - Joe Conason has stated  PegDAC   Jan-14-06 06:52 PM   #95 
     - The Dems should take this and run with it.  The Backlash Cometh   Jan-14-06 08:18 PM   #97 
  - It All Fits  DallasNE   Jan-14-06 12:19 PM   #70 
  - impeach!!!  adarling   Jan-14-06 12:35 PM   #71 
  - Keep passing this on.  Selteri   Jan-14-06 12:51 PM   #72 
  - NSA used city police as trackers (Baltimore)  IndianaGreen   Jan-14-06 01:01 PM   #73 
  - Great addition to this. I filed a report in the Summer of '01  happydreams   Jan-14-06 02:11 PM   #74 
  - Russ Feingold On the Administration's Wiretapping Program  IndianaGreen   Jan-14-06 02:45 PM   #75 
  - Feingold-Schumer for president-I know that will never happen since they'r  wordpix   Jan-14-06 06:35 PM   #92 
  - I am pissed at these bastards!!!  Raksha   Jan-14-06 02:48 PM   #76 
  - I have a neighbor  Josh999   Jan-14-06 03:09 PM   #79 
  - Welcome to DU first.  spooked911   Jan-15-06 06:03 PM   #112 
  - No wonder the bastard Propagandist wanted the NY Times to STFU.  Roland99   Jan-14-06 03:14 PM   #80 
  - HOW DID THEY MISS 9/11 TERRORISM IF THEY WERE SPYING?  savemefromdumbya   Jan-14-06 03:55 PM   #81 
  - lol...Another GOP Red Herring Exposed!  stepnw1f   Jan-14-06 04:09 PM   #82 
  - my question, too. Answer has to be: incompetence by dangerous morons  wordpix   Jan-14-06 06:30 PM   #89 
  - They were the fucking terrorists? Got it now?  spooked911   Jan-15-06 05:27 PM   #107 
     - When one reads the 9/11 'omission report  savemefromdumbya   Jan-15-06 08:08 PM   #115 
  - i wanna know who they were spying on pre-911?  xchrom   Jan-14-06 04:28 PM   #84 
  - my guess is BushCo spying on environmental, other activist groups  wordpix   Jan-14-06 06:32 PM   #91 
     - And you probably..  Vyan   Jan-14-06 11:38 PM   #102 
  - Story is Untrue  rambler_american   Jan-14-06 05:11 PM   #85 
  - self delete.  understandinglife   Jan-14-06 06:00 PM   #87 
  - The story is different...  Vyan   Jan-14-06 08:13 PM   #96 
     - Yes, exactly. Well put.  spooked911   Jan-15-06 05:32 PM   #108 
  - The USA Patriot Act was signed on October 26, 2001  Canuckistanian   Jan-14-06 05:20 PM   #86 
  - yes it was and still is a violation of the law  savemefromdumbya   Jan-14-06 11:06 PM   #100 
  - The preznit is a serial liar, and the media and repo's let him.  donkeyotay   Jan-14-06 06:28 PM   #88 
  - there is no doubt bushit is implicit in deep dereliction of duty  emald   Jan-14-06 06:32 PM   #90 
  - Totally understand how you feel....  imouttahere   Jan-15-06 12:35 PM   #104 
  - bushco can't even get their own facts straight;  greiner3   Jan-15-06 11:10 AM   #103 
  - Nice graphic!  spooked911   Jan-15-06 05:32 PM   #109 
  - So 911 was their official excuse for domestic spying  Rex   Jan-15-06 06:05 PM   #113 
  - spread the news  nittacci   Jan-15-06 07:57 PM   #114 
  - We're still one blow job short of a scandal.  Sentinel Chicken   Jan-16-06 06:25 AM   #116 

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