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Response to Reply #125
127. He did not vote to stay in Iraq
What vote would that be? Kerry voted for the Democratic amendment (I think Levin was the sponsor) that said we need to change course. He was one of the few Democrats not to vote for the Republican version - I think Warner was the sponsor (along with Kennedy) because it had less substance than the vague Democratic one did - and he saw it as cover.)

Kerry's own exit plan was written as a bill and was introduced on the Senate floor (as was Feingold's to get a target date). As of now these are the only ones at this state.

Kerry did not lie -
What Kerry said in Sept, 2004 at NYU:
To get out-
- We need to quickly train Iraqis to take over security
- We need some progress of reconstruction using Iraqis
- We need to have the international organizations and those in the area help the Iraqis develop a political solution
- The Iraqis need elections

On MTP, he said the same thing - only the first election was held then
On the other points, he said that very few Iraqis were trained and that Jordan, Eqypt, Germany and France had all told him that they could train them in their country - but the US refused.

Kerry said the political work was progressing very slowly and that the reconstruction was not working.

He then re-iterated the same things as needing to be done.

As the on ground situation changed, Kerry has altered his plan
in July 2005
and in Oct 2005.

The consistent thing in all - is that they don't have permanent bases.
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  - You know, I've seen that claim so much in the last 3 years and it...  JVS   Jan-16-06 05:21 AM   #173 
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  - He is saying take it to the UN - which is HIS own tune  karynnj   Jan-12-06 11:12 AM   #18 
  - Going to the UN is wholly perfunctory.  The Stranger   Jan-12-06 12:42 PM   #38 
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  - It stinks to high heaven, doesn't it?  maryallen   Jan-14-06 12:18 PM   #145 
  - Crisis? What Crisis?  Village Idiot   Jan-12-06 10:14 AM   #14 
  - Indeed!  Zhade   Jan-12-06 05:52 PM   #76 
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  - One more nail in the Democratic coffin. Bye bye Kerry.  Gregorian   Jan-12-06 11:09 AM   #17 
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  - Word.  TheGoldenRule   Jan-12-06 11:41 AM   #21 
  - Sorry, but you seriously need glasses  karynnj   Jan-12-06 11:46 AM   #22 
     - May be some people here are opposed to diplomacy?  Mass   Jan-12-06 11:52 AM   #27 
     - I'm wearing my glasses and what I'm seeing is CRYSTAL CLEAR:  TheGoldenRule   Jan-12-06 04:44 PM   #66 
     - Printing lies in bold and capitalizing them doesn't make them any truer  karynnj   Jan-12-06 05:04 PM   #68 
     - "Kerry would already be moving troops out if he won."  Zhade   Jan-12-06 05:59 PM   #78 
     - Kerry has lied, not me.  TheGoldenRule   Jan-12-06 07:51 PM   #112 
        - That is a World Socialist article on the MTP interview Kerry did  karynnj   Jan-12-06 10:00 PM   #123 
           - As I stated, I could not search for the DU thread I was thinking of.  TheGoldenRule   Jan-12-06 10:22 PM   #125 
              - He did not vote to stay in Iraq  karynnj   Jan-12-06 10:45 PM   #127 
                 - Where do we get off 'training Iraqis'? The Iraqis are not stupid and dumb  Catrina   Jan-14-06 05:58 PM   #149 
     - I have my glasses on also, and I think we're viewing the same  0007   Jan-12-06 07:10 PM   #103 
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  - he should shut the hell up  HuffleClaw   Jan-12-06 12:01 PM   #29 
  - Integrity in his "ken doll body"  karynnj   Jan-12-06 12:20 PM   #31 
  - Some day , be sooner than later.  Geo55   Jan-12-06 07:42 PM   #111 
  - Here comes the hypocritical left  sandnsea   Jan-12-06 12:13 PM   #30 
  - It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that the NeoCon Junta....  Media_Lies_Daily   Jan-12-06 12:33 PM   #34 
  - Not my point  sandnsea   Jan-12-06 12:47 PM   #40 
  - I agree with your asseccment of the MSM  0007   Jan-12-06 06:23 PM   #89 
  - "The left"  Moochy   Jan-12-06 12:48 PM   #41 
  - Absolutely disavowing the left  sandnsea   Jan-12-06 12:50 PM   #42 
  - That explains alot  Moochy   Jan-12-06 12:53 PM   #43 
     - Oh I can handle it  sandnsea   Jan-12-06 12:59 PM   #44 
  - It's a lie.  Zhade   Jan-12-06 06:11 PM   #82 
     - How about Sy Hersh  sandnsea   Jan-12-06 07:19 PM   #106 
        - What he actually says...  Zhade   Jan-12-06 08:04 PM   #113 
           - A potential problem, exactly  sandnsea   Jan-12-06 09:08 PM   #117 
              - Of course, I never said that Kerry called for bombing or an invasion.  Zhade   Jan-12-06 09:27 PM   #120 
                 - Seeing that several Europeen countries and Bush are calling for it,  karynnj   Jan-12-06 10:06 PM   #124 
                 - "Problem" DOES NOT EQUAL CRISIS.  Zhade   Jan-12-06 10:49 PM   #128 
                 - No European country has even hinted at bombing or invading.  oblivious   Jan-16-06 12:19 AM   #160 
                 - The paper called it a crisis  sandnsea   Jan-13-06 02:16 AM   #129 
                    - You Have Made Some Interesting Points, Ma'am  The Magistrate   Jan-13-06 03:46 AM   #133 
                       - Socialist/Communist/Anarchist left  sandnsea   Jan-13-06 04:24 AM   #134 
                          - Fair Enough, Ma'am  The Magistrate   Jan-13-06 04:52 AM   #135 
                          - IWR was a vote for war  IndianaGreen   Jan-15-06 11:03 PM   #156 
  - Who in the so called "left" has done this? Let us know and we'll go  Guy Whitey Corngood   Jan-12-06 01:06 PM   #45 
  - Just more cognitive dissonance  Moochy   Jan-12-06 01:08 PM   #48 
  - It's an untrue statement.  Zhade   Jan-12-06 06:13 PM   #83 
     - Well you know, that left is just so scawy. n/t  Guy Whitey Corngood   Jan-12-06 08:25 PM   #114 
     - I know I'M shaking in my boots.  Zhade   Jan-12-06 08:30 PM   #115 
     - I'd rather have someone disavow the left than be subject to forum police  Psephos   Jan-15-06 10:01 PM   #153 
  - uh, bullshit?  endarkenment   Jan-12-06 02:06 PM   #55 
  - But the soccer games?  Moochy   Jan-12-06 05:19 PM   #70 
  - See #73  sandnsea   Jan-12-06 05:49 PM   #75 
  - Iran is a legitmate threat against this country?  High Plains   Jan-12-06 02:10 PM   #56 
  - They were last year,  sandnsea   Jan-12-06 05:47 PM   #73 
     - I saw what you saw but not from "the left".  Buck Rabbit   Jan-12-06 06:33 PM   #92 
     - Not true  sandnsea   Jan-12-06 06:48 PM   #95 
        - Not suprised?  Moochy   Jan-12-06 06:50 PM   #97 
     - Facts are that the "threat" from Iran is not real  Moochy   Jan-12-06 06:48 PM   #94 
     - I'm not arguing that  sandnsea   Jan-12-06 06:50 PM   #96 
     - Really?  seeminer21   Jan-26-06 02:53 PM   #185 
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  - It wasn't the entire "left" that bought into the "Iran is the real threat"  Zhade   Jan-12-06 06:08 PM   #81 
  - That's fine  sandnsea   Jan-12-06 07:08 PM   #102 
     - Some of us aren't pretending.  Zhade   Jan-12-06 07:12 PM   #104 
  - that sounds just like the rw talking points  bpilgrim   Jan-12-06 07:22 PM   #108 
  - The argument wasn't we should invade Iran  Tiggeroshii   Jan-14-06 04:37 PM   #148 
  - Do you want our troops in Iraq to be attacked by the Shias?  IndianaGreen   Jan-15-06 11:13 PM   #157 
  - Right. We just hate America.  Darranar   Jan-15-06 11:19 PM   #158 
  - Dumb comment, Senator Kerry. Real dumb comment.  Media_Lies_Daily   Jan-12-06 12:23 PM   #33 
  - Why?  liberalpragmatist   Jan-12-06 01:08 PM   #47 
  - For me, it's that he's aiding in the perception of a crisis.  Zhade   Jan-12-06 06:16 PM   #84 
  - precedent  bpilgrim   Jan-12-06 07:25 PM   #109 
  - Kerry is playing the NeoCon game by saying what he stated...  Media_Lies_Daily   Jan-16-06 02:28 AM   #167 
  - I'll ask it to, why!! And, what do you think we should do about Iran? n/t  wisteria   Jan-12-06 01:29 PM   #50 
  - Why do you think something NEEDS to be done?  Zhade   Jan-12-06 06:17 PM   #85 
  - By your question is it safe to assume that you believe....  Media_Lies_Daily   Jan-16-06 02:38 AM   #168 
  - To whom is he pandering by touting this neocon false casis belli?  tatertop   Jan-12-06 04:04 PM   #65 
  - Isn't this an issue we can run on?  theboss   Jan-12-06 01:07 PM   #46 
  - How is Iran a threat to us?  Zhade   Jan-12-06 06:19 PM   #86 
  - I'm a hawk?  theboss   Jan-13-06 08:15 AM   #139 
     - Do you believe Iran is a "terrorist organization" because .....  Media_Lies_Daily   Jan-16-06 03:21 AM   #170 
  - Oh, my............  Media_Lies_Daily   Jan-16-06 03:08 AM   #169 
  - Kerry ... Iran is going nuclear  plasticsundance   Jan-12-06 01:20 PM   #49 
  - So, you don't think Iran is a threat and means to harm us if they could?  wisteria   Jan-12-06 01:32 PM   #51 
  - No, I don't think Iran is a threat to the United States.  High Plains   Jan-12-06 02:14 PM   #57 
  - Because they hate us for our freedom?  Buck Rabbit   Jan-12-06 02:39 PM   #61 
     - *SNORT*  Zhade   Jan-12-06 06:20 PM   #88 
  - If we keep fucking around in their neighborhood ...  plasticsundance   Jan-12-06 02:21 PM   #59 
  - Not only was the point missed, the point about egocentrism was made.  Zhade   Jan-12-06 06:28 PM   #90 
     - Iran plays the same game as the Bush Administration  plasticsundance   Jan-13-06 07:41 AM   #137 
  - Correct.  endarkenment   Jan-12-06 02:23 PM   #60 
     - We've demonstrated that IN IRAN.  Zhade   Jan-12-06 06:33 PM   #91 
  - Good points.  Zhade   Jan-12-06 06:20 PM   #87 
  - it's not only iran...  bpilgrim   Jan-12-06 07:28 PM   #110 
  - "could Americans be any more egocentric than they already are?"  LibertyorDeath   Jan-13-06 02:21 AM   #130 
  - Kerry is trying to diplomatically handle this  lovuian   Jan-12-06 01:49 PM   #52 
  - there is no crisis.  endarkenment   Jan-12-06 03:47 PM   #63 
  - Kerry, in nuclear violator India,  endarkenment   Jan-12-06 02:20 PM   #58 
  - Iran is now handling nuclear development as all countries should.  oblivious   Jan-12-06 04:53 PM   #67 
  - Iraq was punished for following the rules.  Zhade   Jan-12-06 06:37 PM   #93 
  - I'm just worried that the US will get a "serious consequences" clause.  oblivious   Jan-12-06 06:52 PM   #98 
     - I don't think the UN is that stupid...  Zhade   Jan-12-06 06:59 PM   #101 
        - The UN is extremely stupid  fujiyama   Jan-16-06 02:00 AM   #166 
           - Sadly, I agree. Though I might make it "bullied" rather than "coerced".  oblivious   Jan-16-06 03:21 PM   #182 
  - They broke IAEA seals  sandnsea   Jan-13-06 02:25 AM   #132 
     - The seals were a voluntary good-faith gesture by Iran.  oblivious   Jan-16-06 12:13 AM   #159 
     - You would justify an American holocaust on Iran based only  IndianaGreen   Jan-16-06 12:23 AM   #161 
     - WASHINGTON TIMES?  Zhade   Jan-16-06 01:17 AM   #164 
        - DLCers are intoxicated with neocon/PNAC imperialism  IndianaGreen   Jan-16-06 09:12 AM   #176 
  - Kerry is NOT advocating a war--his is a diplomatic process.  rodeodance   Jan-12-06 05:55 PM   #77 
  - If he's backing the NeoCon propaganda, he is indeed advocating war.....  Media_Lies_Daily   Jan-16-06 03:30 AM   #172 
     - Yep, we heard this bullshit before  IndianaGreen   Jan-16-06 09:16 AM   #177 
  - Tell that to Saddam. It won't matter to *!  BikeWriter   Jan-12-06 06:02 PM   #79 
  - Who cares what Kerry says? I don't. I hope he cannot run again.  anitar1   Jan-12-06 06:05 PM   #80 
  - Ahmadinejad: Iran considers nuclear weapons illegal  oblivious   Jan-12-06 06:58 PM   #99 
  - I have a bridge to sell...  Odin2005   Jan-12-06 06:58 PM   #100 
  - Can you provide any proof whatsoever that Iran wants nuclea weapons?  oblivious   Jan-12-06 07:17 PM   #105 
  - Listening to the wing nut talk shows, are we?  Mountainman   Jan-14-06 09:34 AM   #141 
  - I agree.  Heewack   Jan-14-06 10:08 AM   #144 
  - I have another bridge to sell if you believe Iran is a threat the the U. S  Media_Lies_Daily   Jan-16-06 03:25 AM   #171 
  - Kerry does it again  occuserpens   Jan-12-06 07:20 PM   #107 
  - The Iranian people want nukes  AngryAmish   Jan-12-06 09:53 PM   #122 
  - Skull and bones stuck together like glue!.Keep blowing *'s hot air Kerry  goforit   Jan-14-06 06:02 PM   #150 
  - Shut-up, Kerry. As smart as you are, how can you support the NeoCon...  Media_Lies_Daily   Jan-14-06 06:18 PM   #151 
  - Kerry supported the neocons on Venezuela during 2004 campaign  IndianaGreen   Jan-16-06 09:24 AM   #180 
  - I still think it's the oil bourse. n/t  truth2power   Jan-14-06 06:28 PM   #152 
  - I agree with you ,  Geo55   Jan-15-06 10:55 PM   #155 
  - I agree too.  oblivious   Jan-16-06 12:46 AM   #163 
  - The oil bourse is supposed to open in March,  NYC   Jan-16-06 09:54 PM   #183 
  - Will Kerry say that the Iran War Resolution is not a war resolution?  IndianaGreen   Jan-15-06 10:16 PM   #154 
  - Amazing comment: "Iran is confronting the entire international community"  oblivious   Jan-16-06 12:29 AM   #162 
  - He is following the same script that was used on the lead up to Iraq war  IndianaGreen   Jan-16-06 09:20 AM   #179 
  - Can someone tell me what rule Iran is breaking?  brainshrub   Jan-16-06 07:25 AM   #174 
  - Well,  d_b   Jan-16-06 07:43 AM   #175 
  - U.S. makes dangerous choice "egging" Iran on anything.  zann725   Jan-16-06 09:17 AM   #178 
  - War against Iran will guarantee the Left's successes in Latin America  IndianaGreen   Jan-16-06 09:30 AM   #181 
  - nevermind......  obxhead   Jan-17-06 01:22 AM   #184 
  - How about Germany, John?  bullimiami   Jan-26-06 02:57 PM   #186 
 

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