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Thu Jan-12-06 06:11 PM
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The left as it's constituted in this country - the Mother Jones and Democracy Now! types - most emphatically did NOT make the argument that the poster says was made.
Many of us (though I'm what USED to be considered 'moderate') didn't think EITHER country was a threat. Saying we did is a lie.
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| -Kerry says Iran making "dangerous" nuclear choice |
sabra |
Jan-12-06 09:33 AM |
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That's what I told Einstein back in the day, you know................... |
nolabels |
Jan-12-06 09:38 AM |
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Let the Saudi Arabia and other Middle East allies |
Maggie_May |
Jan-12-06 09:40 AM |
#2 |
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What Middle Eastern country has the clout to deal with Iran? |
Zynx |
Jan-12-06 12:21 PM |
#32 |
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Dealing with them in the same way that the NeoCons "dealt with" Iraq..... |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Jan-12-06 12:36 PM |
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The problem is that I doubt Iran can simply be talked out of this by |
Zynx |
Jan-12-06 08:57 PM |
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not that the US has any clout, either- as we've seen in Iraq... |
wordpix |
Jan-14-06 09:49 AM |
#142 |
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My understanding is that with their current resources |
tuvor |
Jan-12-06 09:40 AM |
#3 |
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And in layman's terms, Kerry and what ever other represent ive of......... |
nolabels |
Jan-12-06 09:59 AM |
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I doubt the rest of the world has a presumption that Kerry is dishonest |
karynnj |
Jan-12-06 11:49 AM |
#24 |
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The shades of truth can be as wide as any spectrum you measure |
nolabels |
Jan-12-06 03:56 PM |
#64 |
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He's been dishonest with regards to Venezuela. |
Zhade |
Jan-12-06 05:11 PM |
#69 |
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I thought they did not want to follow what the inspectors wanted. |
Mass |
Jan-12-06 11:50 AM |
#25 |
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Yes, the IAEA wanted them to continue to voluntarily suspend their... |
oblivious |
Jan-14-06 08:17 AM |
#140 |
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That could be a problem |
Josh999 |
Jan-14-06 01:38 PM |
#147 |
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IOW - Pursue diplomacy or give the dictatortot the cover to start |
blm |
Jan-12-06 09:42 AM |
#4 |
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"dictatortot" |
TheGunslinger |
Jan-12-06 09:11 PM |
#118 |
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Maybe Israel should be hauled before the SC for threatening to nuke Iran |
katinmn |
Jan-12-06 09:46 AM |
#5 |
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The way they "nuked " Saddams Osirak reactor? |
gulfcoastliberal |
Jan-13-06 07:53 AM |
#138 |
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I agree, gulfcoast |
wordpix |
Jan-14-06 09:51 AM |
#143 |
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How much do you want to bet |
ECH1969 |
Jan-12-06 09:50 AM |
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No doubt in my mind, this is what they have wanted all along. |
leesa |
Jan-12-06 09:56 AM |
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Re: a war with Iran... |
mallard |
Jan-12-06 09:12 PM |
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There won't be one. |
TayTay |
Jan-12-06 09:58 AM |
#9 |
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So Hillary would vote against an Iran War Resolution? |
ECH1969 |
Jan-12-06 10:04 AM |
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Well, considering Congress voted away their war-making powers, yeah. |
Zhade |
Jan-12-06 05:19 PM |
#71 |
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Is that MY senator your talking about? |
joeunderdog |
Jan-12-06 11:49 AM |
#23 |
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Actually... |
rox63 |
Jan-12-06 03:46 PM |
#62 |
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They disagree with Bush on tactics, not on goals |
IndianaGreen |
Jan-12-06 10:27 PM |
#126 |
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A pre-emptive strike against US/Israel bi-lateral action? |
Old and In the Way |
Jan-12-06 09:50 AM |
#7 |
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Here Comes the DRAFT |
stepnw1f |
Jan-12-06 10:07 AM |
#12 |
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No draft. Bombing doesn't require a draft & Mercenaries fight for $ |
cryingshame |
Jan-12-06 11:59 AM |
#28 |
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Your right ... |
Dharma_Bum |
Jan-12-06 12:37 PM |
#37 |
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If the NeoCon Junta intends to control Iran militarily, they will have.... |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Jan-12-06 12:43 PM |
#39 |
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very true assumption ... |
Dharma_Bum |
Jan-12-06 01:59 PM |
#53 |
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IMO, they will escalate bombing in Iraq (killing many more civilians) |
cryingshame |
Jan-12-06 02:04 PM |
#54 |
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I could be wrong, but I believe that |
bearfan454 |
Jan-13-06 04:57 AM |
#136 |
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And when Iran decides to attack U.S. soldiers in Iraq? |
Zhade |
Jan-12-06 05:44 PM |
#72 |
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You know, I've seen that claim so much in the last 3 years and it... |
JVS |
Jan-16-06 05:21 AM |
#173 |
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His election stolen by the BFEE, and all he can do is sing their tune. |
The Stranger |
Jan-12-06 10:11 AM |
#13 |
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He is saying take it to the UN - which is HIS own tune |
karynnj |
Jan-12-06 11:12 AM |
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Going to the UN is wholly perfunctory. |
The Stranger |
Jan-12-06 12:42 PM |
#38 |
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Please explain how Iran is a problem. |
Zhade |
Jan-12-06 05:49 PM |
#74 |
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I don't believe Israel ever signed the NPT |
fujiyama |
Jan-16-06 01:53 AM |
#165 |
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It stinks to high heaven, doesn't it? |
maryallen |
Jan-14-06 12:18 PM |
#145 |
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Crisis? What Crisis? |
Village Idiot |
Jan-12-06 10:14 AM |
#14 |
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Indeed! |
Zhade |
Jan-12-06 05:52 PM |
#76 |
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this double standard of who can have nuclear technology is nuts |
bpilgrim |
Jan-12-06 10:26 AM |
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Striking resemblance... |
Amonester |
Jan-12-06 11:06 AM |
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Oh my, |
Little Star |
Jan-12-06 11:13 AM |
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One more nail in the Democratic coffin. Bye bye Kerry. |
Gregorian |
Jan-12-06 11:09 AM |
#17 |
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Kerry did not say to take military action |
karynnj |
Jan-12-06 11:16 AM |
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Kerry is enabling the hell out of Bush's despicable behavior! |
maryallen |
Jan-14-06 12:22 PM |
#146 |
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Word. |
TheGoldenRule |
Jan-12-06 11:41 AM |
#21 |
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Sorry, but you seriously need glasses |
karynnj |
Jan-12-06 11:46 AM |
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May be some people here are opposed to diplomacy? |
Mass |
Jan-12-06 11:52 AM |
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I'm wearing my glasses and what I'm seeing is CRYSTAL CLEAR: |
TheGoldenRule |
Jan-12-06 04:44 PM |
#66 |
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Printing lies in bold and capitalizing them doesn't make them any truer |
karynnj |
Jan-12-06 05:04 PM |
#68 |
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"Kerry would already be moving troops out if he won." |
Zhade |
Jan-12-06 05:59 PM |
#78 |
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Kerry has lied, not me. |
TheGoldenRule |
Jan-12-06 07:51 PM |
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That is a World Socialist article on the MTP interview Kerry did |
karynnj |
Jan-12-06 10:00 PM |
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As I stated, I could not search for the DU thread I was thinking of. |
TheGoldenRule |
Jan-12-06 10:22 PM |
#125 |
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He did not vote to stay in Iraq |
karynnj |
Jan-12-06 10:45 PM |
#127 |
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Where do we get off 'training Iraqis'? The Iraqis are not stupid and dumb |
Catrina |
Jan-14-06 05:58 PM |
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I have my glasses on also, and I think we're viewing the same |
0007 |
Jan-12-06 07:10 PM |
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Both = attack Iran. Same fart, different assholes. |
TankLV |
Jan-12-06 09:49 PM |
#121 |
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Didn't you already declare you would never vote for Kerry again? |
brentspeak |
Jan-12-06 12:33 PM |
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Kerry states a sensable course of action! I agree it needs to |
wisteria |
Jan-12-06 11:51 AM |
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he should shut the hell up |
HuffleClaw |
Jan-12-06 12:01 PM |
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Integrity in his "ken doll body" |
karynnj |
Jan-12-06 12:20 PM |
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Some day , be sooner than later. |
Geo55 |
Jan-12-06 07:42 PM |
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Here comes the hypocritical left |
sandnsea |
Jan-12-06 12:13 PM |
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It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that the NeoCon Junta.... |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Jan-12-06 12:33 PM |
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Not my point |
sandnsea |
Jan-12-06 12:47 PM |
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I agree with your asseccment of the MSM |
0007 |
Jan-12-06 06:23 PM |
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"The left" |
Moochy |
Jan-12-06 12:48 PM |
#41 |
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Absolutely disavowing the left |
sandnsea |
Jan-12-06 12:50 PM |
#42 |
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That explains alot |
Moochy |
Jan-12-06 12:53 PM |
#43 |
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Oh I can handle it |
sandnsea |
Jan-12-06 12:59 PM |
#44 |
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It's a lie. |
Zhade |
Jan-12-06 06:11 PM |
#82 |
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How about Sy Hersh |
sandnsea |
Jan-12-06 07:19 PM |
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What he actually says... |
Zhade |
Jan-12-06 08:04 PM |
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A potential problem, exactly |
sandnsea |
Jan-12-06 09:08 PM |
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Of course, I never said that Kerry called for bombing or an invasion. |
Zhade |
Jan-12-06 09:27 PM |
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Seeing that several Europeen countries and Bush are calling for it, |
karynnj |
Jan-12-06 10:06 PM |
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"Problem" DOES NOT EQUAL CRISIS. |
Zhade |
Jan-12-06 10:49 PM |
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No European country has even hinted at bombing or invading. |
oblivious |
Jan-16-06 12:19 AM |
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The paper called it a crisis |
sandnsea |
Jan-13-06 02:16 AM |
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You Have Made Some Interesting Points, Ma'am |
The Magistrate |
Jan-13-06 03:46 AM |
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Socialist/Communist/Anarchist left |
sandnsea |
Jan-13-06 04:24 AM |
#134 |
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Fair Enough, Ma'am |
The Magistrate |
Jan-13-06 04:52 AM |
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IWR was a vote for war |
IndianaGreen |
Jan-15-06 11:03 PM |
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Who in the so called "left" has done this? Let us know and we'll go |
Guy Whitey Corngood |
Jan-12-06 01:06 PM |
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Just more cognitive dissonance |
Moochy |
Jan-12-06 01:08 PM |
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It's an untrue statement. |
Zhade |
Jan-12-06 06:13 PM |
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Well you know, that left is just so scawy. n/t |
Guy Whitey Corngood |
Jan-12-06 08:25 PM |
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I know I'M shaking in my boots. |
Zhade |
Jan-12-06 08:30 PM |
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I'd rather have someone disavow the left than be subject to forum police |
Psephos |
Jan-15-06 10:01 PM |
#153 |
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uh, bullshit? |
endarkenment |
Jan-12-06 02:06 PM |
#55 |
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But the soccer games? |
Moochy |
Jan-12-06 05:19 PM |
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See #73 |
sandnsea |
Jan-12-06 05:49 PM |
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Iran is a legitmate threat against this country? |
High Plains |
Jan-12-06 02:10 PM |
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They were last year, |
sandnsea |
Jan-12-06 05:47 PM |
#73 |
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I saw what you saw but not from "the left". |
Buck Rabbit |
Jan-12-06 06:33 PM |
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Not true |
sandnsea |
Jan-12-06 06:48 PM |
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Not suprised? |
Moochy |
Jan-12-06 06:50 PM |
#97 |
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Facts are that the "threat" from Iran is not real |
Moochy |
Jan-12-06 06:48 PM |
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I'm not arguing that |
sandnsea |
Jan-12-06 06:50 PM |
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Really? |
seeminer21 |
Jan-26-06 02:53 PM |
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I never said Iran was a real threat, or North Korea, for that matter |
High Plains |
Jan-13-06 02:25 AM |
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It wasn't the entire "left" that bought into the "Iran is the real threat" |
Zhade |
Jan-12-06 06:08 PM |
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That's fine |
sandnsea |
Jan-12-06 07:08 PM |
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Some of us aren't pretending. |
Zhade |
Jan-12-06 07:12 PM |
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that sounds just like the rw talking points |
bpilgrim |
Jan-12-06 07:22 PM |
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The argument wasn't we should invade Iran |
Tiggeroshii |
Jan-14-06 04:37 PM |
#148 |
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Do you want our troops in Iraq to be attacked by the Shias? |
IndianaGreen |
Jan-15-06 11:13 PM |
#157 |
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Right. We just hate America. |
Darranar |
Jan-15-06 11:19 PM |
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Dumb comment, Senator Kerry. Real dumb comment. |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Jan-12-06 12:23 PM |
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Why? |
liberalpragmatist |
Jan-12-06 01:08 PM |
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For me, it's that he's aiding in the perception of a crisis. |
Zhade |
Jan-12-06 06:16 PM |
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precedent |
bpilgrim |
Jan-12-06 07:25 PM |
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Kerry is playing the NeoCon game by saying what he stated... |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Jan-16-06 02:28 AM |
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I'll ask it to, why!! And, what do you think we should do about Iran? n/t |
wisteria |
Jan-12-06 01:29 PM |
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Why do you think something NEEDS to be done? |
Zhade |
Jan-12-06 06:17 PM |
#85 |
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By your question is it safe to assume that you believe.... |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Jan-16-06 02:38 AM |
#168 |
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To whom is he pandering by touting this neocon false casis belli? |
tatertop |
Jan-12-06 04:04 PM |
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Isn't this an issue we can run on? |
theboss |
Jan-12-06 01:07 PM |
#46 |
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How is Iran a threat to us? |
Zhade |
Jan-12-06 06:19 PM |
#86 |
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I'm a hawk? |
theboss |
Jan-13-06 08:15 AM |
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Do you believe Iran is a "terrorist organization" because ..... |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Jan-16-06 03:21 AM |
#170 |
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Oh, my............ |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Jan-16-06 03:08 AM |
#169 |
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Kerry ... Iran is going nuclear |
plasticsundance |
Jan-12-06 01:20 PM |
#49 |
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So, you don't think Iran is a threat and means to harm us if they could? |
wisteria |
Jan-12-06 01:32 PM |
#51 |
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No, I don't think Iran is a threat to the United States. |
High Plains |
Jan-12-06 02:14 PM |
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Because they hate us for our freedom? |
Buck Rabbit |
Jan-12-06 02:39 PM |
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*SNORT* |
Zhade |
Jan-12-06 06:20 PM |
#88 |
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If we keep fucking around in their neighborhood ... |
plasticsundance |
Jan-12-06 02:21 PM |
#59 |
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Not only was the point missed, the point about egocentrism was made. |
Zhade |
Jan-12-06 06:28 PM |
#90 |
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Iran plays the same game as the Bush Administration |
plasticsundance |
Jan-13-06 07:41 AM |
#137 |
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Correct. |
endarkenment |
Jan-12-06 02:23 PM |
#60 |
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We've demonstrated that IN IRAN. |
Zhade |
Jan-12-06 06:33 PM |
#91 |
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Good points. |
Zhade |
Jan-12-06 06:20 PM |
#87 |
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it's not only iran... |
bpilgrim |
Jan-12-06 07:28 PM |
#110 |
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"could Americans be any more egocentric than they already are?" |
LibertyorDeath |
Jan-13-06 02:21 AM |
#130 |
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Kerry is trying to diplomatically handle this |
lovuian |
Jan-12-06 01:49 PM |
#52 |
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there is no crisis. |
endarkenment |
Jan-12-06 03:47 PM |
#63 |
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Kerry, in nuclear violator India, |
endarkenment |
Jan-12-06 02:20 PM |
#58 |
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Iran is now handling nuclear development as all countries should. |
oblivious |
Jan-12-06 04:53 PM |
#67 |
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Iraq was punished for following the rules. |
Zhade |
Jan-12-06 06:37 PM |
#93 |
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I'm just worried that the US will get a "serious consequences" clause. |
oblivious |
Jan-12-06 06:52 PM |
#98 |
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I don't think the UN is that stupid... |
Zhade |
Jan-12-06 06:59 PM |
#101 |
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The UN is extremely stupid |
fujiyama |
Jan-16-06 02:00 AM |
#166 |
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Sadly, I agree. Though I might make it "bullied" rather than "coerced". |
oblivious |
Jan-16-06 03:21 PM |
#182 |
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They broke IAEA seals |
sandnsea |
Jan-13-06 02:25 AM |
#132 |
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The seals were a voluntary good-faith gesture by Iran. |
oblivious |
Jan-16-06 12:13 AM |
#159 |
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You would justify an American holocaust on Iran based only |
IndianaGreen |
Jan-16-06 12:23 AM |
#161 |
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WASHINGTON TIMES? |
Zhade |
Jan-16-06 01:17 AM |
#164 |
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DLCers are intoxicated with neocon/PNAC imperialism |
IndianaGreen |
Jan-16-06 09:12 AM |
#176 |
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Kerry is NOT advocating a war--his is a diplomatic process. |
rodeodance |
Jan-12-06 05:55 PM |
#77 |
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If he's backing the NeoCon propaganda, he is indeed advocating war..... |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Jan-16-06 03:30 AM |
#172 |
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Yep, we heard this bullshit before |
IndianaGreen |
Jan-16-06 09:16 AM |
#177 |
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Tell that to Saddam. It won't matter to *! |
BikeWriter |
Jan-12-06 06:02 PM |
#79 |
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Who cares what Kerry says? I don't. I hope he cannot run again. |
anitar1 |
Jan-12-06 06:05 PM |
#80 |
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Ahmadinejad: Iran considers nuclear weapons illegal |
oblivious |
Jan-12-06 06:58 PM |
#99 |
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I have a bridge to sell... |
Odin2005 |
Jan-12-06 06:58 PM |
#100 |
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Can you provide any proof whatsoever that Iran wants nuclea weapons? |
oblivious |
Jan-12-06 07:17 PM |
#105 |
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Listening to the wing nut talk shows, are we? |
Mountainman |
Jan-14-06 09:34 AM |
#141 |
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I agree. |
Heewack |
Jan-14-06 10:08 AM |
#144 |
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I have another bridge to sell if you believe Iran is a threat the the U. S |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Jan-16-06 03:25 AM |
#171 |
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Kerry does it again |
occuserpens |
Jan-12-06 07:20 PM |
#107 |
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The Iranian people want nukes |
AngryAmish |
Jan-12-06 09:53 PM |
#122 |
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Skull and bones stuck together like glue!.Keep blowing *'s hot air Kerry |
goforit |
Jan-14-06 06:02 PM |
#150 |
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Shut-up, Kerry. As smart as you are, how can you support the NeoCon... |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Jan-14-06 06:18 PM |
#151 |
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Kerry supported the neocons on Venezuela during 2004 campaign |
IndianaGreen |
Jan-16-06 09:24 AM |
#180 |
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I still think it's the oil bourse. n/t |
truth2power |
Jan-14-06 06:28 PM |
#152 |
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I agree with you , |
Geo55 |
Jan-15-06 10:55 PM |
#155 |
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I agree too. |
oblivious |
Jan-16-06 12:46 AM |
#163 |
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The oil bourse is supposed to open in March, |
NYC |
Jan-16-06 09:54 PM |
#183 |
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Will Kerry say that the Iran War Resolution is not a war resolution? |
IndianaGreen |
Jan-15-06 10:16 PM |
#154 |
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Amazing comment: "Iran is confronting the entire international community" |
oblivious |
Jan-16-06 12:29 AM |
#162 |
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He is following the same script that was used on the lead up to Iraq war |
IndianaGreen |
Jan-16-06 09:20 AM |
#179 |
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Can someone tell me what rule Iran is breaking? |
brainshrub |
Jan-16-06 07:25 AM |
#174 |
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Well, |
d_b |
Jan-16-06 07:43 AM |
#175 |
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U.S. makes dangerous choice "egging" Iran on anything. |
zann725 |
Jan-16-06 09:17 AM |
#178 |
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War against Iran will guarantee the Left's successes in Latin America |
IndianaGreen |
Jan-16-06 09:30 AM |
#181 |
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nevermind...... |
obxhead |
Jan-17-06 01:22 AM |
#184 |
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How about Germany, John? |
bullimiami |
Jan-26-06 02:57 PM |
#186 |
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