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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 01:50 PM
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44. Do you really think we import IT workers because Americans can't do it?
It's all about wage suppression, whether it's H1B visas, offshoring, or illegal immigrants doing farm work (and other jobs.)

Bright college graduates in liberals arts can learn most IT jobs. Very few require extensive math or engineering backgrounds. They require analytic skills and the ability to synthesize new tasks quickly. It's the pretext of requiring computer science or engineering degrees that allows companies to justify H1Bs, etc. Without such tools to import cheaper workers or offshore the jobs we would see corporations training their own IT staff or lobbying the government to provide such opportunities.

At the other end of the spectrum, workers who are here with iffy immigration status can't stand up for themselves to demand fair labor practices. A guest worker program will provide protections and employers will see costs rise. Our food costs will go up because the workers will be able to demand better compensation. What will happen then? Offshoring of food production? We already import a ridiculous amount of food for a country with our agricultural resources. Why not just suspend farming altogether and use that land to built more houses and retail centers?
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  -Mexico upset with new immigration bill hogwyld  Jan-10-06 09:21 AM   #0 
  - Well  Loonman   Jan-10-06 09:25 AM   #1 
  - If we (and the Europeans) ran Latin Amer. countries better, there  John Q. Citizen   Jan-10-06 10:30 AM   #5 
     - I don't have a problem with immigration  Loonman   Jan-10-06 12:28 PM   #15 
     - My thoughts exactly.  MercutioATC   Jan-10-06 12:45 PM   #19 
     - What a stupid comment.  High Plains   Jan-10-06 01:00 PM   #22 
        - So because of historical reasons, no need to fix the problem  Loonman   Jan-10-06 01:31 PM   #38 
           - Actually, Loonman, I want to apologize for my intemperate  High Plains   Jan-10-06 03:17 PM   #57 
     - Great point,  msgadget   Jan-10-06 01:32 PM   #39 
  - Empty rhetoric on both sides...nothing is going to change...nt  ugarte   Jan-10-06 09:30 AM   #2 
  - And the xenophobia countinues here on DU...  pinerow   Jan-10-06 09:52 AM   #3 
  - "Mexicans working in the United States are a huge source of revenue ....  Bridget Burke   Jan-10-06 10:06 AM   #4 
  - Compare albedos. -nt  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jan-10-06 10:31 AM   #6 
     - Are Mexicans more reflective?  MercutioATC   Jan-10-06 10:48 AM   #9 
        - Less.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jan-10-06 10:57 AM   #10 
           - Gotcha! You succeeded!  MercutioATC   Jan-10-06 11:00 AM   #11 
  - I believe the "undocumented" status would make that difficult.  MercutioATC   Jan-10-06 10:46 AM   #8 
  - Of course you don't have a problem 'accepting' that a majority  pinerow   Jan-10-06 11:54 AM   #13 
     - That's a flawed argument, IMO.  MercutioATC   Jan-10-06 12:03 PM   #14 
     - Couldn't have said it better myself  hogwyld   Jan-10-06 12:42 PM   #18 
     - Could meatpackers' declining real wages have something to do  High Plains   Jan-10-06 01:05 PM   #24 
        - It's much easier to blame the Mexicans than the Union Busters....  Bridget Burke   Jan-10-06 01:15 PM   #29 
        - Blame union-busters but don't ignore the negative effects of illegal labor  MercutioATC   Jan-10-06 01:17 PM   #33 
        - Fair enough  hogwyld   Jan-10-06 01:16 PM   #32 
     - You begin with a flawed assumption...That assumption being that  pinerow   Jan-10-06 12:53 PM   #20 
     - A couple of issues with your assertions:  MercutioATC   Jan-10-06 01:10 PM   #26 
     - This is why your comparisons don't work...  pinerow   Jan-10-06 02:02 PM   #46 
        - ...and a few responses...  MercutioATC   Jan-10-06 02:14 PM   #48 
           - We agree on more things than we disagree on...  pinerow   Jan-10-06 02:36 PM   #53 
              - It appears so...  MercutioATC   Jan-10-06 02:44 PM   #55 
     - Do you really think we import IT workers because Americans can't do it?  Gormy Cuss   Jan-10-06 01:50 PM   #44 
     - You said a mouthful...  pinerow   Jan-10-06 02:07 PM   #47 
     - Why don't you want to increase eductational opportunities for older men?  HereSince1628   Jan-10-06 03:05 PM   #56 
     - Actually, I read recently of labor shortages in the California fields  High Plains   Jan-10-06 01:01 PM   #23 
     - Really? What are they paying?  MercutioATC   Jan-10-06 01:11 PM   #27 
        - $10/hr  KevinJ   Jan-10-06 02:24 PM   #51 
           - Bullshit... put up a link... n/t  mrbassman03   Jan-10-06 02:42 PM   #54 
           - Dude, I picked vegetables in Texas gratis.  FormerRepublican   Jan-11-06 09:18 AM   #72 
     - That's not really true  KevinJ   Jan-10-06 02:21 PM   #50 
     - Biggest, Big Lie in 30 years. Just try to get one of those jobs without  greyhound1966   Jan-10-06 04:08 PM   #62 
        - My ex's brother was in construction  hogwyld   Jan-10-06 05:08 PM   #64 
           - Same story all over the nation and they won't talk about it  greyhound1966   Jan-11-06 10:44 AM   #73 
           - Those fat cats pay near slave wages, too.  BikeWriter   Jan-11-06 12:44 PM   #74 
  - or the social class.  Wise Doubter   Jan-10-06 11:01 AM   #12 
  - Why is it xenophobic  hogwyld   Jan-10-06 01:34 PM   #41 
  - Au contraire mon frier, for myself I've turned in several 'northern'  greyhound1966   Jan-10-06 04:03 PM   #61 
  - what? It's not THEIR immigration bill.  MercutioATC   Jan-10-06 10:44 AM   #7 
  - They do have a right to speak out.  Bridget Burke   Jan-10-06 12:36 PM   #16 
  - I just don't see why anybody would listen...  MercutioATC   Jan-10-06 12:42 PM   #17 
     - Well, I'm listening to them.  Bridget Burke   Jan-10-06 12:58 PM   #21 
     - Perhaps the workers NEED to be divided...  MercutioATC   Jan-10-06 01:14 PM   #28 
        - Thanks for admitting it.  Bridget Burke   Jan-10-06 01:16 PM   #31 
           - Blame both. Deal with both.  MercutioATC   Jan-10-06 01:19 PM   #34 
           - Priorities.  Bridget Burke   Jan-10-06 01:22 PM   #36 
              - Both are detrimental to U.S. labor.  MercutioATC   Jan-10-06 01:27 PM   #37 
           - Let me ask you this  hogwyld   Jan-10-06 01:21 PM   #35 
              - Why should I blame my landlady?  Bridget Burke   Jan-10-06 01:35 PM   #42 
     - Migration is dependent on push / pull factors. Your so-called  John Q. Citizen   Jan-10-06 01:34 PM   #40 
        - I agree that employer enforcement would offer greater returns.  MercutioATC   Jan-10-06 01:41 PM   #43 
           - If we cracked down long and hard on the employers, we would save  John Q. Citizen   Jan-10-06 02:01 PM   #45 
              - Are you in favor of a different approach or not enforcing immigration laws  MercutioATC   Jan-10-06 02:17 PM   #49 
  - Like we never tell any other countries what to do.  High Plains   Jan-10-06 01:08 PM   #25 
     - It's silly when we do it, too.  MercutioATC   Jan-10-06 01:15 PM   #30 
  - I like the way they FRAMED the issue  FreakinDJ   Jan-10-06 02:27 PM   #52 
  - It's not just a US "problem"  Bridget Burke   Jan-10-06 03:20 PM   #58 
  - Enforcing sanctions on employers has its problems  High Plains   Jan-10-06 03:28 PM   #59 
  - It is fairly easy to detect a fake...but the employer has to really  pinerow   Jan-10-06 03:35 PM   #60 
  - social security numbers can be verified  NorthernSpy   Jan-11-06 02:31 PM   #76 
  - That 3 year deal for "guest workers" will keep wages way down -  applegrove   Jan-10-06 05:01 PM   #63 
  - Are you talking about the Bush proposal?  High Plains   Jan-10-06 06:18 PM   #65 
     - good point...!  pinerow   Jan-10-06 06:26 PM   #67 
     - What do you think a three year limit for guest workers mean? It means  applegrove   Jan-11-06 12:40 AM   #71 
     - I'm not supporting the Bush guest worker proposal.  High Plains   Jan-11-06 01:14 PM   #75 
     - actually, if you really wanted to "create upward pressure on wages"...  NorthernSpy   Jan-11-06 02:36 PM   #77 
        - There are some jobs Americans are not doing. But yes - exploitation  applegrove   Jan-11-06 03:15 PM   #78 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-10-06 06:23 PM   #66 
     - It's a shame to see anyone take a serious discussion and  pinerow   Jan-10-06 06:33 PM   #68 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-10-06 06:39 PM   #69 
           - Are you sure  hogwyld   Jan-10-06 06:47 PM   #70 

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