| 161. Occusive vs. Hemorrhagic Strokes |
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Edited on Thu Jan-05-06 12:07 AM by NoodleyAppendage
It's likely that Sharon's earlier stroke was occusive secondary to the release of large diameter lipid emboli during his heart repair. Given his weight and general poor health, the presence of atherosclerosis is probably pretty high. I think the MDs were probably more worried about future embolic or ischemic events due to stenoses. Unfortunately, this assumption means that treatment can be counterproductive in cases were the cerebrovascular is weak, prone to amyloid angiopathy, or hiding a latent aneurysms.
I'm just wondering where the bleed is located.
JB
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| -Israel's Sharon en route to hospital - source |
sabra |
Jan-04-06 02:25 PM |
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BBC - Sharon rushed to hospital |
DoYouEverWonder |
Jan-04-06 02:27 PM |
#1 |
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Sharon rushed to J'lem hospital; reason unclear |
Scurrilous |
Jan-04-06 02:33 PM |
#2 |
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this is not good |
dwickham |
Jan-04-06 02:34 PM |
#3 |
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Arafat is still dead though |
uppityperson |
Jan-04-06 02:35 PM |
#4 |
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Generalissimo Franco is still dead, too! |
NuttyFluffers |
Jan-04-06 11:58 PM |
#154 |
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Really?! I just thought that he took another "turn for the worse..." |
Rhiannon12866 |
Jan-05-06 09:02 AM |
#191 |
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Umm, wouldn't it be best if they released this once he got to the hospital |
Greeby |
Jan-04-06 02:37 PM |
#5 |
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That'll happen when you've been accused of taking $3 million in bribes |
Tempest |
Jan-04-06 02:40 PM |
#6 |
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Wonder if sinister Bibi is waiting in the wings, smacking his chops |
tatertop |
Jan-04-06 02:51 PM |
#8 |
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I wouldn't be surprised to find out... |
Tempest |
Jan-04-06 03:40 PM |
#13 |
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Yes, he is all of that. |
tatertop |
Jan-04-06 03:55 PM |
#15 |
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Argh! We don't always get the best things offered. But prison, |
0007 |
Jan-04-06 04:29 PM |
#64 |
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Well, with luck |
Turbineguy |
Jan-04-06 02:48 PM |
#7 |
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This is winding up to be one of the craziest elections in Israel ever |
liberalpragmatist |
Jan-04-06 02:52 PM |
#9 |
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He's fat and old, not a good combo. |
951-Riverside |
Jan-04-06 02:54 PM |
#10 |
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Fat and old - - sigh - - describes a few of us! |
papau |
Jan-04-06 03:08 PM |
#11 |
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I AM NOT FAT! |
hang a left |
Jan-04-06 04:15 PM |
#54 |
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LOL - nor am I in my wife's eyes :-) |
papau |
Jan-04-06 04:27 PM |
#61 |
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MSNBC: Sharon suffers "significant stroke"... nt |
arcos |
Jan-04-06 03:37 PM |
#12 |
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CNN also reporting it as "significant stroke..." |
Cooley Hurd |
Jan-04-06 03:41 PM |
#14 |
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CNN: Sharon Suffered SIGNIFICANT Stroke |
matcom |
Jan-04-06 03:56 PM |
#16 |
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Is this a new stroke or more details about the last one? |
Connie_Corleone |
Jan-04-06 03:56 PM |
#17 |
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new. today |
matcom |
Jan-04-06 03:56 PM |
#18 |
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New from what I just saw |
Lone_Star_Dem |
Jan-04-06 03:56 PM |
#20 |
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New stroke |
Tempest |
Jan-04-06 03:56 PM |
#24 |
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cnn.com also says powers have been transfered to his deputy... nt |
arcos |
Jan-04-06 03:56 PM |
#19 |
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Freepers will say it's payback |
Loonman |
Jan-04-06 03:56 PM |
#21 |
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"It's a miracle! He's already up and walking about!" sez Anderson Cooper. |
stopbush |
Jan-04-06 03:56 PM |
#22 |
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It was a miracle that he HAD the stroke |
Cronus Protagonist |
Jan-04-06 03:56 PM |
#25 |
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
matcom |
Jan-04-06 03:56 PM |
#27 |
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I see it too! |
Viva_La_Revolution |
Jan-04-06 03:56 PM |
#23 |
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No matter what you think of Sharon, Benjamin Netenyahu is worse... |
6th Borough |
Jan-04-06 07:38 PM |
#118 |
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I'm not surprised.... |
liberalnurse |
Jan-04-06 03:56 PM |
#26 |
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His stroke's timing is almost as good as William Casey's stroke |
htuttle |
Jan-04-06 03:56 PM |
#28 |
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Is there some link between Sharon's stroke, * calling in all |
woodsprite |
Jan-04-06 03:56 PM |
#38 |
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I'm not sure that there is any injection that you can give a stroke to |
...of J.Temperance |
Jan-04-06 04:28 PM |
#63 |
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I just heard that it could have been the blood thinners |
goclark |
Jan-05-06 11:39 AM |
#196 |
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On respirator; paralysis of lower body; Sajay Gupta saying... |
Cooley Hurd |
Jan-04-06 03:56 PM |
#29 |
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Yeap....this is it! |
liberalnurse |
Jan-04-06 03:56 PM |
#36 |
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How can he suffer another stroke while in a hospital, under the direct |
The Stranger |
Jan-04-06 03:56 PM |
#30 |
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He wasn't in the hospital |
SW FL Dem |
Jan-04-06 03:56 PM |
#31 |
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Maybe he was poisoned by Hamas? |
IanDB1 |
Jan-04-06 03:56 PM |
#32 |
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But I don't think he eats Hummus?!? |
Up2Late |
Jan-04-06 04:04 PM |
#49 |
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there are two types of strokes |
sabbat hunter |
Jan-04-06 06:28 PM |
#100 |
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Poisoned? possibly |
AntiCoup2K4 |
Jan-05-06 03:19 AM |
#190 |
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no, he was rushed to the hospital |
nodehopper |
Jan-04-06 03:56 PM |
#40 |
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It happens every day.... |
liberalnurse |
Jan-04-06 03:56 PM |
#43 |
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because drs and nurses and hospitals can't prevent everything |
uppityperson |
Jan-04-06 04:08 PM |
#52 |
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Strokes aren't always preventable n/t |
Whoa_Nelly |
Jan-04-06 04:21 PM |
#57 |
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We're health care providers, not God |
rainbow4321 |
Jan-04-06 05:06 PM |
#69 |
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Damn |
tavalon |
Jan-05-06 01:28 AM |
#184 |
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Nice try. |
The Stranger |
Jan-05-06 09:33 AM |
#195 |
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Easily. How would they prevent it? |
belle |
Jan-04-06 05:48 PM |
#95 |
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You have an interesting idea about our power |
tavalon |
Jan-05-06 01:24 AM |
#183 |
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Is he dead yet? (here we go again) |
uppityperson |
Jan-04-06 03:56 PM |
#33 |
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He died yesterday. |
Bleachers7 |
Jan-04-06 03:56 PM |
#37 |
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Being brought into surgery right now (possible blood on brain) |
Cooley Hurd |
Jan-04-06 03:56 PM |
#34 |
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CNN reporting it is a cerebral hemorrhage |
SW FL Dem |
Jan-04-06 03:56 PM |
#35 |
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AP just reported that Sharon |
quaoar |
Jan-04-06 03:56 PM |
#39 |
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More from AP: |
quaoar |
Jan-04-06 03:56 PM |
#41 |
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Anyone know Israeli politics? What now? |
patcox2 |
Jan-04-06 03:56 PM |
#42 |
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Elections are March 28, and he was the leading candidate... |
arcos |
Jan-04-06 04:07 PM |
#51 |
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I hope it's NOT "BiBi" who is a Neocon...........but...who knows? |
KoKo01 |
Jan-04-06 05:20 PM |
#81 |
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Bibi makes Sharon look like a conscientious objector. /NT |
6th Borough |
Jan-04-06 07:47 PM |
#121 |
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and? |
DS1 |
Jan-04-06 03:56 PM |
#44 |
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Oh yeah, an Israeli PM at death's door is *so* irrelevant. |
Posteritatis |
Jan-04-06 05:18 PM |
#76 |
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Powers were transferred from Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon to his |
sinkingfeeling |
Jan-04-06 03:56 PM |
#45 |
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Who is the deputy? nm |
texpatriot2004 |
Jan-04-06 03:56 PM |
#46 |
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Sharon suffers serious stroke |
Scurrilous |
Jan-04-06 04:02 PM |
#48 |
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Ehud Olmert... |
Wordie |
Jan-04-06 04:10 PM |
#53 |
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but... |
psriter |
Jan-04-06 05:15 PM |
#73 |
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Analysis: As acting PM, Olmert can make all urgent decisions |
Scurrilous |
Jan-04-06 05:12 PM |
#71 |
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But...They shouldn't have waited so long for surgery...He should have had |
KoKo01 |
Jan-04-06 05:19 PM |
#78 |
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We can't be sideline quarterbacks here |
tavalon |
Jan-05-06 01:32 AM |
#185 |
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MSNBC reporting that analysts have said his life may be in danger... n/t |
Wordie |
Jan-04-06 03:59 PM |
#47 |
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His life is unquestionably in peril... |
Mithras61 |
Jan-04-06 04:04 PM |
#50 |
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Actually, ischemic stroke |
FlaGranny |
Jan-04-06 04:21 PM |
#58 |
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My mistake. I misread the article. (n/t) |
Mithras61 |
Jan-04-06 04:27 PM |
#62 |
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With strokes, quick treatment is the key. |
Wordie |
Jan-04-06 04:26 PM |
#60 |
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He should have never came back to work |
lovuian |
Jan-04-06 04:19 PM |
#55 |
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Sharon Suffers a Cerebral Hemorrhage |
cal04 |
Jan-04-06 04:20 PM |
#56 |
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This is very bad news and I sincerely wish Mr. Sharon the best |
...of J.Temperance |
Jan-04-06 04:22 PM |
#59 |
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Ariel! I'm so sorry! |
No Exit |
Jan-04-06 04:33 PM |
#65 |
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"It looks very bad. I don't know if he will recover," the source said. |
hang a left |
Jan-04-06 04:36 PM |
#66 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jan-04-06 04:44 PM |
#67 |
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You think it's all to get Netanyahu in? BiB is a FAV of NeoCons..but |
KoKo01 |
Jan-04-06 04:57 PM |
#68 |
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Well, Sharon's deputy probably wouldn't do well in the elections..... |
AntiCoup2K4 |
Jan-04-06 05:21 PM |
#84 |
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Okay....I could go with a little |
KoKo01 |
Jan-04-06 05:45 PM |
#93 |
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Maybe the hospital in Jerusalem was an HCA affiliate? |
AntiCoup2K4 |
Jan-04-06 10:16 PM |
#138 |
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You've left Peretz out of your analysis. I don't really know if this turn |
Wordie |
Jan-04-06 06:29 PM |
#101 |
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Labor could benefit from this as well. |
6th Borough |
Jan-04-06 07:57 PM |
#126 |
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That was also my first thought |
mitchum |
Jan-04-06 05:19 PM |
#79 |
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Jesus, you people. Strokes do happen, you know? |
belle |
Jan-04-06 05:53 PM |
#97 |
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But I thought the BFEECIAKGBNSAIDFWTFBBQ was behind all ailments! |
Posteritatis |
Jan-04-06 07:55 PM |
#124 |
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You didn't know we doctors and nurses are Gods |
tavalon |
Jan-05-06 01:37 AM |
#186 |
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Yeah right. |
gulfcoastliberal |
Jan-04-06 07:10 PM |
#106 |
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Never mind that he is close to 78 and has terrible health. |
Zynx |
Jan-04-06 07:56 PM |
#125 |
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Sharon's haemorrhage "massive" - hospital chief |
sabra |
Jan-04-06 05:07 PM |
#70 |
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Massive is not good |
tavalon |
Jan-05-06 01:39 AM |
#187 |
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Sharon collapses, may not survive |
MnFats |
Jan-04-06 05:15 PM |
#72 |
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Sharon in Poor Heath |
erpowers |
Jan-04-06 05:15 PM |
#74 |
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I hope for the best outcome. |
fbahrami |
Jan-04-06 05:15 PM |
#75 |
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For those of you that hate Sharon... |
IndianaGreen |
Jan-04-06 05:18 PM |
#77 |
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Well, it's going to be interresting, that's for sure. nt |
bemildred |
Jan-04-06 05:20 PM |
#80 |
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that's the scarest part... |
sabra |
Jan-04-06 05:20 PM |
#82 |
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Time enough |
sweetheart |
Jan-04-06 07:40 PM |
#119 |
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Lay it out for us and for the "newbies" who don't know who could be worse! |
KoKo01 |
Jan-04-06 05:21 PM |
#83 |
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Bibi Netanyahu will take Gaza back by force! |
IndianaGreen |
Jan-04-06 05:28 PM |
#85 |
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Sorry for posting BeBe instead of BiBi...can you give some "context" |
KoKo01 |
Jan-04-06 05:36 PM |
#87 |
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There are no "clean" choices in the Middle East |
IndianaGreen |
Jan-04-06 06:45 PM |
#102 |
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If the choice were between Netanyahu and Peretz, you don't think they |
Wordie |
Jan-04-06 07:05 PM |
#105 |
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Israelis are very concerned about security |
IndianaGreen |
Jan-04-06 07:17 PM |
#110 |
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As far as the Bush comparison, many people in this country are wising up |
Wordie |
Jan-05-06 01:44 AM |
#188 |
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I fear Bush and Bibi will do horrible things |
tatertop |
Jan-04-06 07:43 PM |
#120 |
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I agree. |
NEOBuckeye |
Jan-04-06 06:15 PM |
#99 |
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I presume you are speaking of Netanyahu, but Likud is 3rd in the polls: |
Wordie |
Jan-04-06 06:52 PM |
#104 |
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Kadima was built around Sharon's personality |
IndianaGreen |
Jan-04-06 07:11 PM |
#107 |
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Minor parties can put bibi on top. some of the parties that joined |
Tom Joad |
Jan-05-06 12:55 AM |
#182 |
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I remember his doctor downplaying the first stroke |
daleo |
Jan-04-06 05:33 PM |
#86 |
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And were your doubts based on your examination, Dr. Frist? |
onenote |
Jan-04-06 10:39 PM |
#148 |
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I did post words to this effect at the time (do a search if you like) |
daleo |
Jan-05-06 03:10 AM |
#189 |
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Prime Minister Ariel Sharon Suffers Massive Stroke..... |
rsmith6621 |
Jan-04-06 05:44 PM |
#88 |
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Bummer.. I was really sorry to hear that. |
Kahuna |
Jan-04-06 05:44 PM |
#89 |
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This will make things interesting over there |
CatholicEdHead |
Jan-04-06 05:44 PM |
#90 |
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Here comes the compassion of the DU. |
seriousstan |
Jan-04-06 05:44 PM |
#91 |
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"massive organ failure"- NBC |
HillDem |
Jan-04-06 05:44 PM |
#92 |
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For those who don't watch Cable...has he "passed on?" n/t |
KoKo01 |
Jan-04-06 05:48 PM |
#94 |
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This is broadcast news |
HillDem |
Jan-04-06 06:04 PM |
#98 |
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That sounds like he's not coming back. |
belle |
Jan-04-06 05:52 PM |
#96 |
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Hospital sources: Bleeding in PM`s brain is extensive, but not in,,, |
IndianaGreen |
Jan-04-06 06:49 PM |
#103 |
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PM Sharon clings to life (Ynetnews) |
Wordie |
Jan-04-06 07:16 PM |
#109 |
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NPR reported that blood thinners given to him following first stroke |
CornField |
Jan-04-06 07:11 PM |
#108 |
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Major events in the life of Ariel Sharon |
bemildred |
Jan-04-06 07:35 PM |
#111 |
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May he get what he deserves. |
fbahrami |
Jan-04-06 07:35 PM |
#112 |
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Does it mention Sabra and Shatilla? |
manic expression |
Jan-04-06 07:35 PM |
#113 |
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Only vaguely. They leave out all the facts and horrible details. |
tatertop |
Jan-04-06 07:35 PM |
#117 |
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Massacres in Lebanon? |
Nimrod2005 |
Jan-04-06 07:35 PM |
#114 |
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Is someone getting inside information that he has passed??? |
hang a left |
Jan-04-06 07:35 PM |
#115 |
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You can infer his prognosis. nt |
bemildred |
Jan-04-06 07:35 PM |
#116 |
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Forgot one: |
fshrink |
Jan-05-06 12:52 AM |
#180 |
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Sharon having organ failure |
IndianaGreen |
Jan-04-06 07:49 PM |
#122 |
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Olmert to chair emergency Israel cabinet meet |
hang a left |
Jan-04-06 07:53 PM |
#123 |
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04:30 Hadassah hospital: PM`s surgery has lasted five and a half hours |
IndianaGreen |
Jan-04-06 09:14 PM |
#127 |
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Hadassah hospital: PM`s surgery has lasted five and a half hours so far . |
Scurrilous |
Jan-04-06 09:15 PM |
#128 |
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05:19 Surgeons complete draining blood from PM`s brain (Channel 1) |
IndianaGreen |
Jan-04-06 09:22 PM |
#129 |
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05:31 Sharon`s physician leaves hospital, refuses to comment on PM`s |
IndianaGreen |
Jan-04-06 09:43 PM |
#130 |
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this is looking pretty grim... |
sabra |
Jan-04-06 09:46 PM |
#131 |
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I am sitting here just wondering how bad things will get with Sharon gone! |
IndianaGreen |
Jan-04-06 09:55 PM |
#133 |
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I hope the foundation for the Kadima movement is established enough |
sabra |
Jan-04-06 09:58 PM |
#134 |
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05:44 PM aide: Situation very sensitive, hospital will issue update later |
IndianaGreen |
Jan-04-06 09:53 PM |
#132 |
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I guess this means he is gone it seems. eom |
hang a left |
Jan-04-06 10:00 PM |
#135 |
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Sharon aides leave hospital, decline comment |
sabra |
Jan-04-06 10:04 PM |
#136 |
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NBC Martin Fletcher: Sharon may not survive the night! |
IndianaGreen |
Jan-04-06 10:10 PM |
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Stroke, Hemorrhagic: |
Scurrilous |
Jan-04-06 10:25 PM |
#140 |
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There just hasn't been even a ray of hope |
IndianaGreen |
Jan-04-06 10:26 PM |
#142 |
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Sharon still alive - Israel Radio reporter |
sabra |
Jan-04-06 10:10 PM |
#137 |
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06:10 Report on Sharon`s condition to be broadcast at 6:45 A.M. Israel tim |
IndianaGreen |
Jan-04-06 10:23 PM |
#139 |
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What time is it in Israel now? Do you know? eom |
hang a left |
Jan-04-06 10:25 PM |
#141 |
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Israel Time: 06:28 (EST+7) |
IndianaGreen |
Jan-04-06 10:27 PM |
#143 |
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I think they're seven hours ahead... |
Scurrilous |
Jan-04-06 10:28 PM |
#145 |
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I think it's 6:30 AM. |
Wordie |
Jan-04-06 10:31 PM |
#147 |
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thanks for the edit. eom |
hang a left |
Jan-04-06 10:28 PM |
#144 |
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CNN said at 11:45 PM ET, they expect statement |
IndianaGreen |
Jan-04-06 10:30 PM |
#146 |
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06:44 Sharon returned to surgery after undergoing CT scan (Channel 1) |
IndianaGreen |
Jan-04-06 10:47 PM |
#149 |
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they didn't take any questions.... |
sabra |
Jan-04-06 10:59 PM |
#150 |
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and they haven't stopped the bleeding either |
IndianaGreen |
Jan-04-06 11:05 PM |
#151 |
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You are correct, there will be a new government |
still_one |
Jan-04-06 11:22 PM |
#153 |
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Sharon taken back into surgery a second time after CT scan |
still_one |
Jan-04-06 11:14 PM |
#152 |
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Not good ... No matter what happens Sharon |
lovuian |
Jan-05-06 12:05 AM |
#155 |
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Israeli PM Ariel Sharon Suffers Massive Stroke |
mom cat |
Jan-05-06 12:43 AM |
#179 |
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i hope he survives... |
NuttyFluffers |
Jan-05-06 12:10 AM |
#156 |
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NYT: Difficulties in Treating Sharon's Kind of Stroke |
liberalpragmatist |
Jan-05-06 12:17 AM |
#157 |
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Wasn't he just in the hospital for a minor |
liberalhistorian |
Jan-05-06 12:17 AM |
#158 |
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When he was in the hospital 3 weeks ago, they found a small |
napi21 |
Jan-05-06 12:17 AM |
#160 |
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Not necessarily. They are from 2 different things. |
uppityperson |
Jan-05-06 12:18 AM |
#164 |
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I heard Sanjay Gupta on CNN say about the same thing. |
napi21 |
Jan-05-06 12:17 AM |
#159 |
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Occusive vs. Hemorrhagic Strokes |
NoodleyAppendage |
Jan-05-06 12:17 AM |
#161 |
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Uncontrolled bleeding is bad news... |
lovuian |
Jan-05-06 12:17 AM |
#162 |
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My mom had a hemorrhagic brainstem stroke almost 2 years ago...... |
kestrel91316 |
Jan-05-06 12:18 AM |
#163 |
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George Bush: We are praying for Sharon's recovery |
TomClash |
Jan-05-06 12:20 AM |
#165 |
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This is the kiss of death nt |
TomClash |
Jan-05-06 12:20 AM |
#166 |
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I join Mr. Bush in wishing Sharon a speedy recovery |
Charlie Brown |
Jan-05-06 12:20 AM |
#167 |
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Don't give Bush any credit for anything. |
NEOBuckeye |
Jan-05-06 12:20 AM |
#172 |
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mister bush?? the death bring from hell to hundreds of thousands? mister? |
NIGHT TRIPPER |
Jan-05-06 12:20 AM |
#174 |
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Shades of Terri Schiavo. The barely alive merit more consideration |
BleedingHeartPatriot |
Jan-05-06 12:20 AM |
#168 |
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Agree |
Christa |
Jan-05-06 12:20 AM |
#170 |
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Oh, it's just standard. *Not* to say anything would be churlish even for |
belle |
Jan-05-06 12:54 AM |
#181 |
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I pray |
InaneAnanity |
Jan-05-06 12:20 AM |
#169 |
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When does Der Bu$h have time to sleep? |
crizzo5137 |
Jan-05-06 12:20 AM |
#171 |
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Bush Prays?!?!?! |
stepnw1f |
Jan-05-06 12:20 AM |
#173 |
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Enough with all the praying !!! |
C_U_L8R |
Jan-05-06 12:20 AM |
#175 |
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Personally, I prefer to write to Santa Klaus. |
fshrink |
Jan-05-06 09:22 AM |
#193 |
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As Jon Stewart says...with all this praying, how does he have any time |
NYC Liberal |
Jan-05-06 12:20 AM |
#176 |
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Goodbye, Ariel! |
EST |
Jan-05-06 12:20 AM |
#177 |
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LOL. A "man of peace"! And the Idiot is a genius. |
fshrink |
Jan-05-06 09:21 AM |
#192 |
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I pray for Palestinians who face home demolitions, |
Tom Joad |
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